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Is War Maiden set viable for mag NB?

Nyladreas
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Pretty much what title says.

Has anyone thoroughly tested the War Maiden set?

Is it worth investing money into / farming for days?

I'm more interested in the PvP aspect of the game. I understand scathing is still better for PvE.
  • casparian
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    It's pretty good for magblade PVP. I think it's one of the better offensive options for us, as it boosts your main attack and main heal (Funnel Health), as well as your main source of burst (Merciless/Soul Tether).

    I ended up dropping it for most situations, though, in favor of a more defensive setup. But War Maiden + Transmutation + monster set is still very strong, as long as you build in defensive options (Shade + Cloak, etc.).
    7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.
  • CavalryPK
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    i would love to get my hands on war maiden destroy staff. i would gladly stry WM + Trans or WM + ripost
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  • DHale
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    War maiden does not help your heals at all. Also running a destro staff will not be helped by war maiden so viable yes definitely is it bis... no. Mag magic and spell damage are still part of the equation.
    Edited by DHale on July 12, 2017 4:21PM
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  • casparian
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    DHale wrote: »
    War maiden does not help your heals at all. Also running a destro staff will not be helped by war maiden so viable yes definitely is it bis... no. Mag magic and spell damage are still part of the equation.

    War Maiden does indirectly boost your heal. Funnel Health heals you for 25% of the damage it does, and boosting its damage accordingly boosts its heal.
    7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.
  • WuffyCerulei
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    Here's a comparison on sets for magblade:
    Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's
  • Nyladreas
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    Here's a comparison on sets for magblade:

    This is pretty much PvE from the looks of it. You can't take DPS and assume it's going to do well on PvP. But thanks either way.
  • Mojmir
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    Scathing isn't as good,they finally fixed path on pts.im running war maiden with tbs
    Edited by Mojmir on July 12, 2017 6:23PM
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Scathing isn't as good,they finally fixed path on pts.im running war maiden with tbs

    Scathing not better for pve? But in pve you do a lot of elemental damage.
    Edited by Nyladreas on July 12, 2017 8:21PM
  • casparian
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    DoShazarr wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    Scathing isn't as good,they finally fixed path on pts.im running war maiden with tbs

    Scathing not better for pve? But in pve you do a lot of elemental damage.

    Yeah, don't run War Maiden in PVE. Scathing will not be as good for magblades in U15 as it is in U14, but it's still way better than Maiden.
    7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.
  • Tryxus
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    It's terrible for PvE, since not all your damage will be Magic Damage: Blockade, Destro Ulti & Force Pulse

    For PvP it's quite decent, but def not the best. You can give several of your abilities a hefty power boost like Swallow Soul, Assassin's Will proc, Soul Harvest, Impale, Crippling, etc,... But that's about all the set does.
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  • getemshauna
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    I currently use War Maiden, Lich and troll king, and it works pretty good imho. Someone said that War Maiden doesnt boost the heal, but actually Siphoning attacks heal is flat value, and more dps of Swallow soul means more healing received.
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  • supaskrub
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    It's terrible for PvE, since not all your damage will be Magic Damage: Blockade, Destro Ulti & Force Pulse

    For PvP it's quite decent, but def not the best. You can give several of your abilities a hefty power boost like Swallow Soul, Assassin's Will proc, Soul Harvest, Impale, Crippling, etc,... But that's about all the set does.

    Its a far from"terrible" set in pve, granted its not BiS but telling folks its terrible (although you have an opinion and your entitled to it) is utter bs.

    It gives fantastic burst damage to Assassins Will (my test build regularly does AW crits in excess of 53k when proc'ed), for execute with impale it again gives massive burst damage and to the best of my knowledge impale is at present broken (unless there was a fix and others know different but i have'nt read or heard of one) and missing out on approx 98% of the 300% extra damage it should do.

    Its not even a fancy pants build I'm running either if I'm honest, DW front bar for the extra spell damage (destro back bar), 2x kena for more spell damage, 5 x war maiden and 5 x julianos (5x julianos on back bar).

    I'm consistently hitting 30-33k dps on the dummy with no spc buffs or ele drain and there is room for quite a bit of improvement on those figures, self buffed spell damage is in the region of 4,700 (without war maiden 5pc added, though it does include Kena), that said though there are two issues with the build and that is you need to keep magic damage and elemental damage on different bars and the killer that is making progression on the dps hard (remember i said there is room for improvement) is that the rotation is far from easy mode and it is not forgiving in the slightest of errors or memory lapse. I dont get the time to work and practice on the build as much as i would like to do so but to describe it as terrible is far from fact, now if you had said complicated i would have agreed entirely.

  • Malic
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    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

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    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.
    7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.
  • Malic
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    casparian wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.

    Youre welcome, Im starting a blog next week called "parade of idiots". Its dedicated to those individuals on the web who focus on spelling errors and not what posters actually say.

    The back drop is going to be set with a 1997 AOL log in back drop. So those who are still stuck in that time loop will not feel to out of place. I'll send you an email with a link.

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    Edited by Malic on July 12, 2017 9:49PM
  • Raeph
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    Malic wrote: »
    casparian wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.

    Youre welcome, Im starting a blog next week called "parade of idiots". Its dedicated to those individuals on the web who focus on spelling errors and not what posters actually say.

    The back drop is going to be set with a 1997 AOL log in back drop. So those who are still stuck in that time loop will not feel to out of place. I'll send you an email with a link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs

    But really though, say Thurmagurge out loud. It's hilarious.
  • Nyladreas
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    Malic wrote: »

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    Exactly what I thought! Thank you! @Malic
    Edited by Nyladreas on July 12, 2017 11:16PM
  • Malic
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    Raeph wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    casparian wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.

    Youre welcome, Im starting a blog next week called "parade of idiots". Its dedicated to those individuals on the web who focus on spelling errors and not what posters actually say.

    The back drop is going to be set with a 1997 AOL log in back drop. So those who are still stuck in that time loop will not feel to out of place. I'll send you an email with a link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs

    But really though, say Thurmagurge out loud. It's hilarious.

    If you find that hilarious (Im going to go ahead and assume you DONT know what hilarious actually means) then I would strongly urge you to expand your personal repertoire of experiences. If that truly is extremely funny to you, that's not a good thing.
  • Malic
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    DoShazarr wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    Exactly what I thought! Thank you! @Malic

    THURMAGURGE !

    THURMAGURGE!!!!!!!
  • Nyladreas
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    Malic wrote: »
    DoShazarr wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    Exactly what I thought! Thank you! @Malic

    THURMAGURGE !

    THURMAGURGE!!!!!!!

    It is a pretty funny word I must say.

    Also, thanks everybody for the responses.
  • DCanadianBacon
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    Malic wrote: »
    Raeph wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    casparian wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.

    Youre welcome, Im starting a blog next week called "parade of idiots". Its dedicated to those individuals on the web who focus on spelling errors and not what posters actually say.

    The back drop is going to be set with a 1997 AOL log in back drop. So those who are still stuck in that time loop will not feel to out of place. I'll send you an email with a link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs

    But really though, say Thurmagurge out loud. It's hilarious.

    If you find that hilarious (Im going to go ahead and assume you DONT know what hilarious actually means) then I would strongly urge you to expand your personal repertoire of experiences. If that truly is extremely funny to you, that's not a good thing.

    You must be a blast at parties...

    Nevermind, I see you thought it was funny. Carry on.
    Edited by DCanadianBacon on July 13, 2017 5:15AM
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Malic wrote: »
    Raeph wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    casparian wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    I use war maiden in PVP, most NB magicka skills do magic damage its a great DPS boost. Dhale has a point on destro staff, it will not boost HA and LA, but you can boost that other ways particularly in the CP trees. Additionally you can run degeneration which the dot will be affected by war maiden and the health back is potent.

    Its on ultimates where this shines, because if you are running a mage blade in CP you invested in the thurmagurge which will help your dots, so that and war maiden with soul assault is extremely potent.

    This is now my favorite misspelling of Thaumaturge. I will intentionally use it from now on. Thank you.

    Youre welcome, Im starting a blog next week called "parade of idiots". Its dedicated to those individuals on the web who focus on spelling errors and not what posters actually say.

    The back drop is going to be set with a 1997 AOL log in back drop. So those who are still stuck in that time loop will not feel to out of place. I'll send you an email with a link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs

    But really though, say Thurmagurge out loud. It's hilarious.

    If you find that hilarious (Im going to go ahead and assume you DONT know what hilarious actually means) then I would strongly urge you to expand your personal repertoire of experiences. If that truly is extremely funny to you, that's not a good thing.

    You must be a blast at parties...

    Nevermind, I see you thought it was funny. Carry on.

    @Malic https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart
  • Knootewoot
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    I use warmaiden together with a sustain set in PvP. I tested it out with other sets and I think Warmaiden performs good since most attacks are magickal attack for me anyway. If I used destro staff skills and fire I would use that set that drops in Fungal Grotto though with 400 something damage to firespells. But I play melee magblade using mainly concealed.
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