Love when the healer gets blamed for DPS' stupidity
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✭CorsennaRyu wrote: »I can't heal through one shots.
These were my exact words to a group who had no business being in vWGT last night (they even insisted on HM). Two of them died to the one shot atronach. The other died in the first line of lightning. Of course, it was my fault that I couldn't heal the one shots. This went on for some time, each attempt on HM because the cp level 150ish guy couldn't keep his hands off of the scroll before the fights.
The group I ran with before them were so rude that I left them after the first boss.
Finally cleared it with a third group that had terrible dps and a good tank. The fights took forever but they were polite and they took direction well, so I stuck with them.
I've been farming SPC and doing multiple runs on normal, vet and occasionally finishing on HM. I see the full spectrum of people in dungeons. I can tolerate a subpar group so long as they're friendly and don't keep making the same mistakes without learning.
This is the funny thing about vWGT, The tank set(Imperium) and the healer set(SPC) are both very good sets, while the DPS set(Essenence thief) is a niche PvP set at best, so it always ends up the majority of groups you have there have a good healer and tank and bad DPS because healers and tanks are always farming the place.5 -
Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure there's plenty of feedback on alternative heals to use besides Breath of Life, but here's a bit of my personal experience anyhow...
Heal Layering: If you have skills that drop heals over time in a radius (Cleansing Ritual, Grand Healing, etc), layer them. Some skills even layer on each other -- unless they changed it, Grand Healing and its morphs, repeatedly cast on the same spot, will stack so you can have a steady flow of healing pulses go out. That tends to be expensive, though, so make sure you can sustain it or have a backup plan.
Other Heals: Besides Breath of Life, you can also work towards things like Healing Ritual, the various Restoration Staff skills, Energy Orb (morph of Necrotic Orb) and so forth. Energy Orb takes a bit of getting used to, but it can provide some very nice healing over time, especially if your ally follows it a little way's. A personal favorite of mine is Life Giver (Panacea morph). It's cheap, it throws a strong HoT, and also casts Regeneration (Mutagen), Blessing of Protection (Combat Prayer), and Steadfast Ward (Healing Ward) once for free. Each of those have healing on top of the primary heal, resulting in a lot of breathing room to replenish my Magicka with heavy attacks.
Other Techniques: Healing isn't all you can do. Resource dropping (Shards, Orbs), buffing, shielding, etc. Examine the skills at your disposal and get creative. I see a lot of folk saying that healers also serve as an off-DPS, and that's generally what I do (since Jabs is my most reliable self-heal).
Those are some things as to what you have the power to control. Things that you can't really control... party members that are glass cannons (i.e. 10-12K health and get one-shot or their health spikes up and down uncontrollably), party members that have zero self-heals (and expect someone else to keep them alive), party members that don't know the fight mechanics (and are unwilling to learn) or can't seem to stay out of telegraphs (i.e. the red circles) ...well, everyone's got their own level of personal experience that character level has nothing to do with. Just do your best.██████ █████████ ███████ In verity.2 -
redshirt_49✭✭✭✭CorsennaRyu wrote: »I can't heal through one shots.
These were my exact words to a group who had no business being in vWGT last night (they even insisted on HM). Two of them died to the one shot atronach. The other died in the first line of lightning. Of course, it was my fault that I couldn't heal the one shots. This went on for some time, each attempt on HM because the cp level 150ish guy couldn't keep his hands off of the scroll before the fights.
The group I ran with before them were so rude that I left them after the first boss.
Finally cleared it with a third group that had terrible dps and a good tank. The fights took forever but they were polite and they took direction well, so I stuck with them.
I've been farming SPC and doing multiple runs on normal, vet and occasionally finishing on HM. I see the full spectrum of people in dungeons. I can tolerate a subpar group so long as they're friendly and don't keep making the same mistakes without learning.
This is the funny thing about vWGT, The tank set(Imperium) and the healer set(SPC) are both very good sets, while the DPS set(Essenence thief) is a niche PvP set at best, so it always ends up the majority of groups you have there have a good healer and tank and bad DPS because healers and tanks are always farming the place.
I farm WGT for drops on my DPS for this very reason x) The majority of randoms I get generally don't know the mechanics of it and since it's a dungeon where the DPS has to (or should) do a lot of things, I prefer to be present as DPS. (Open cages, kill portals, swap pinion with the tank, etc. etc. etc.)0 -
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✭DivinityDay wrote: »Squishy dps are no fun!
I'm a dps though, but I'm usually the last one alive rezing others. I'm also the one that pulls as many adds as I can as far as I can and kill them all.
I also pick up the slack in case the heals are weak but mostly due to squishy dpses.
But yes, even as a dps I feel your pain lol.
You can't heal stupid.
Also, if you as a healer have to work that hard then....
#1 the dps is too low and the fight is too long.
#2 dps are squishy
#3 you may need to consider yourself as well though. Check your champ point allocation and so forth. Use Healing Springs in combination with BoL to increase your healing output and magicka regen as well.
Sounds like an easy mode sorc build to me...1 -
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✭spamming Breath of Life
Well, to be fair, healers typically do a lot more than use BoL. But you're right, many DPS seem to think a healer's job is to enable them to ignore mechanics. That's just silly.
Eh my mag recovery is 3.5k and sadly, even for a CP player I neglected Resto during lower levels so BoL was the way to go whilst I levelled resto
Springs is literally the first skill in Resto staff skill tree. I'm not saying they should've stood in the fire but you probably shouldn't have queued as a healer without resto staff either=x Why not run resto through the dungeon? Not only you'll at least have Springs(even if unmorphed) but it'll also level in the process.
and since yer going to be a good person an resto anyway, why not throw a few HEALING WARDS while yer at it... yer tank will thank you
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✭Even someone running a resto staff wouldn't have been able to keep them alive as they were staying stood in AoE's
For the record, I can self heal as DPS for that fight without moving out of the fire between stomps. Not every DPS build calls for you to move out of every single ground AoE.0 -
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✭✭I have seen a lot of people complain that BoL spamming is not real healing but I admit to being guilty of it when I started running a healer. Mind you it was better before they nerfed it.
My healers only use BoL as a last resort these days - more of an 'oh s#!t' heal.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.0 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭if your only heal is breath of life, youre in trouble, resources drained fast and it wont heal everyone. get healing springs and RoR or the other morph2
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✭Don't even slot bol any more. I use extended ritual, Rapids and springs most of the time. If you're needing to spam heals Rapids and springs are the way to go. The difficult times are when you are having to play 3 roles at once.0 -
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✭✭✭✭If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault. If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault.
If the DPS die, it's their own damn fault!
That being said, listen to the people advocating resto staff. A good healing springs stack actually does let you heal through pretty much everything besides true oneshots. With the amount of regen you need to spam BoL, your BoL doesn't end up healing for that much--healing springs is just so much more efficient.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Your a healer, you dont do the mechanics
Lol this is a call back to that other thread?
On topic: BOL gets put on my bar when I'm running with groups that have "unique needs"
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AoDD33pfri3d✭✭✭Here's my basic "blame game" mechanics I use in Dungeon/Raid scenarios...
If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault.
If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault.
If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault for standing in fire.
OR when dps is over the place and your heals don't hit them so when they die they blamed you. Did one today and they were all over the place spilt up and after that mob I told them I refuse to chase them just to heal.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spamming Breath of Life
Well, to be fair, healers typically do a lot more than use BoL. But you're right, many DPS seem to think a healer's job is to enable them to ignore mechanics. That's just silly.
Eh my mag recovery is 3.5k and sadly, even for a CP player I neglected Resto during lower levels so BoL was the way to go whilst I levelled resto
Hmm. Honestly, I might have made the same decision as your teammates, then. There's really no way to be a dungeon healer without resto staff. BoL is only for emergencies.
Even someone running a resto staff wouldn't have been able to keep them alive as they were staying stood in AoE's
Most of these posts criticizing you are taking your comments way out of context.
The HoT from resto staff would have been almost useless in the situation you describe. Spamming breath of life was really your only option - and would have drained any healer's resources.
You weren't the problem here. The DPS who were standing in the fire were. Any healer who thinks you can just rely on HoTs to keep your party alive has never had the pleasure of a party full of aggressive glass cannons who continuously take spike damage. So don't worry - there are some of us here who appreciate the b.s. you had to deal with in that party.
This problem has gotten extra bad lately as well because many of these players queue up as tanks to avoid long wait times. I've started back baring an ice staff and increased my defense so I can tank and keep hard hitters off them. It saves me a ton of resources that way. Though this would not have helped you in the situation you had to deal with since you can't tank the fire off them. But it does help on bosses and significant enemies who hit hard. Because it seems like no one on this game cares about defense anymore - not even the tanks. They just want moar DEPS man!
Edited by Jeremy on July 13, 2017 3:32AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"You can't Heal through Stupid."
"You hold the power of both Life and Death in your hands."
"There's always a time to laugh while you watch them all burn."
Remember the Healing mantras and remember, It's your fault!
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Velvelya✭✭✭I know this feel. Once had two DPS die due to standing in fire--pretty sure one was a Vamp. Afterwards I explicitly said "Don't stand in red." The Tank said "Just spam BoL."
Once upon a time spamming BoL would be no big thing for me to do. But I have less resources now then I ever did-- which means: Dont Stand in Red. Or at the very least don't whine to me when you do and you die.3 -
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✭✭✭✭I've queued for all 3 roles on my MagPlar for nCoH 1/2 to farm Lich resto for PvP. I was in my PvP gear: Spinnner inferno front bar, lich back bar (named lightning one, since Templar doesn't really need the heals from the resto) and Skoria. About ~70% of the time I was getting the tank spot, ~25% the healer spot, and maybe ~5% the DD spot. This means that far fewer players queue as tanks, than healers or DD. Since it was a normal dungeon the roles are not that relevant, but if I got healer I would just extended ritual or energy orbs on my bar and use that, if I got tank I put inner rage for the bosses that actually needed tanking (most don't).
I didn't really cared what they did. Only one group really pissed me off because even if I explained to them in advance how to break the cocoons at the 2nd boss in CoH2, when the fight started I got cocooned, they kept running around like headless chicken without even attempting to use the synergy (I was putting X in group chat all the time to even indicate the key they should be using). That's the only group I needed to bail out of because those people were simply too dumb or crass to work with. The rest of the runs were OK as I really DPS-ed trough the trash and the bosses, doing 50-70% of group DPS while healing/tanking at the same time (DoTs keep up the aggro even without a taunt). I was basically running solo with some cheerleaders. So as long as they don't do really annoying stuff, I simply don't care about PuGs.
So the lesson here is that unless you can solo the dungeon, don't run it with randoms.Edited by Asardes on July 13, 2017 10:06AMBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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tunepunk✭✭✭✭✭Seems like a lot DPS are more concerned about their Combat Metrics DPS value than actual mechanics of the fight, to the point where it's becoming a distraction.
Dead DPS=No DPS, they should know better.
As a dps, I'm often running with iceheart set, for a bit survivability. Saved me countless times. Loss in DPS, compared to other set... barely noticeable...0 -
humpalicous✭✭✭spamming Breath of Life
Well, to be fair, healers typically do a lot more than use BoL. But you're right, many DPS seem to think a healer's job is to enable them to ignore mechanics. That's just silly.
Eh my mag recovery is 3.5k and sadly, even for a CP player I neglected Resto during lower levels so BoL was the way to go whilst I levelled resto
This.
Why neglect Resto skills? Spamming BoL is not the way to properly heal through vet content. Not saying that it was your fault, the damage dealers probably were ignorant and stupid.
But... Your healing setup doesn't seem to be optimized properly.
I rarely use BoL when healing on my Magplar, cause it's not really needed. Focus on heals over time, skills like these:
Healing springs
Extended ritual
Rapid Regen
And so on and so forth.
Not trying to be rude or anything, just giving some tips that have helped me 0 -
N0TPLAYER2✭✭✭✭✭spamming Breath of Life
Well, to be fair, healers typically do a lot more than use BoL. But you're right, many DPS seem to think a healer's job is to enable them to ignore mechanics. That's just silly.
Eh my mag recovery is 3.5k and sadly, even for a CP player I neglected Resto during lower levels so BoL was the way to go whilst I levelled resto
Hmm. Honestly, I might have made the same decision as your teammates, then. There's really no way to be a dungeon healer without resto staff. BoL is only for emergencies.
Even someone running a resto staff wouldn't have been able to keep them alive as they were staying stood in AoE's
Lol. think what you want, but if you don't have a resto staff, YOU'RE the reason they died.
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✭As a tank, I don't really care if the DPS get killed in the red circles. DPS are like hyenas. They make a lot of noise and show, but they'll tear you apart too. They have so much bloodlust that they rarely think of their own well being. Great! All I care is that the healer keep them bad boys/girls up and running. So yeah, they gonna' die, but get 'em back up and try to keep em' functional during the fight as best you can.
Do all that and this tank won't complain.
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CorsennaRyu✭✭I don't want to be rude, or tell you how to do, but Resto really is necessary for a healer, it just has so much group utility. I'm a healer main, I run Resto on my front bar with every skill purchased and morphed but I swap them out as needed. Healing Springs is always on my bar, I often use healing ward on trials to help shield my team. I also use mutegen. My destro is on my back bar but I really only use it to do the occasional elemental blockade and put elemental drain on everything.1
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