"Sorc-owind" and "Sorcs of the Reach": Death of Class Diversity

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Looks around shiftily......

AMBUSH, SUDDEN ATTACK (x3).....

oh god damn it, he's dead now.....

Rikkof · July 2017

in cyrodiil you only see stamblades and magblades, that is how op they are, everywhere you look there is nightbaldes
to the ground, zos....THIS NB CLASS NEED NERFS ASAP

[edited for spam]

FrancisCrawford · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

80% of the time is spent holding down the attack button with a lightning staff.

Overstated. With at least 4 skills in a rotation that takes no more than 10 seconds, Sorcs should heavy attack no more than 60% of the time.

rustic_potato · July 2017

OMG enough with the QQ already. The difference between Scathing mage and Julianos is less than 1k on live and will be similar when the patch goes live. mNB are the flavor of the month class. They have the highest single target dps among the magika classes.

They fixed a bug that should have been fixed ages ago. Stop whining and complaining and L2P. Morrowind killed both my primary classes magplar and magsorcs. You think playing a class that has HA braindead meta is fun? mNB is the only reason I'm still dpsing in trials.

Rikkof · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Magblades have died off and gone extinct every patch for the last what? 2 years?

Ha Ha idd man, they are always "dead" but somehow THEIR POPULATION SKYROCKETED....IN CYRODIIL YOU ONLY SEE NIGHTBLADES INSTAGIBBING PLAYERS....and these guys even have the guts to come here to forums AND ASK FOR BUFFS?

NB class has 2 option:

Option1

: remove burst dmg from stealth and their ability to instant gib anyone , even tanks in ha fully buffed and buf ftheir sustained dmg
or

Option2

:remove burst dmg from stealth and their ability to instant gib anyone , even tanks in ha fully buffed and buf ftheir sustained dmg

rustic_potato · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Weak warden DPS? Mine parses 41k so I don't know what you're talking about.

One ability gets slight nerf -> THE CLASS IS DEAD NOW YOU GUYS

Broken infinite resource pool was nerfed -> OH MY GOD SUSTAIN IS BROKEN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO MANAGE MY ABILITIES AND NOT POWER SPAM AND USE MY CPs AS A CRUTCH?????? ERMAHGERD.

Calm down. Adjustments are being made to mechanics that were abused and utilised out of their intended context.

Keep up the good work, devs.

A skeleton test doesn't count. It doesn't equate to actual combat performance because you don't have to manage adds, boss movement, fight mechanics, and incoming damage that needs warding - all of which disrupt and lower DPS. A skeleton test value is WORTHLESS.

Lol you have no idea how to play the class do you? I can see why you are mad at losing your precious exploit..

CorsennaRyu · July 2017

Stovahkiin wrote: »

CorsennaRyu wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Oh totally, OP. I mean, I've never seen a class other than sorcs get kills in pvp, it's ridiculous! It's like all of my other class abilities and skill lines are completely useless now and all I can do is QQ on the forums.

#sarcasm, go git good

Good thing the OP wasn't talking about PvP. I've got news for you, there's a whole lot more to the game than PvP. I've had over a dozen trial guilds tell me if I want to keep running vet trials with them to sorc or don't run with them. The fact is ZOS is killing class/skill diversity. Though in fairness, skill diversity has been dead since the game released.

Congratulations, your forum QQ'ing skill has just increased!

But in all seriousness, why yes I do know that there is such a thing as PVE. But you know what? The majority of players keep on playing and adapting throughout every patch. It's just the people who think that loosing 5 points of damage is a disaster that are making such a big fuss. If your guilds tell you how to play and that you have to play a different class, then that's a community/guild problem.

Find a good group of friends to run with instead of a group of "l33t hardcore" player guilds.

I've got a full guild of good people I enjoy playing with which includes people I'm friends with in real life, but I've run CoH and MoL over 300 times a piece looking for a shield that I still haven't gotten and it's not anyways possible to get that many runs out of one guild so I have to go to others. And for the record, I'm not crying about it, I mostly play a healer, my magblade literally just farms mats these days. A problem doesn't have to be a problem for me personally to still be a problem. And community problems aren't anyways just with the people, a lot of them stem from game related issues.

rotaugen454 · July 2017

red_emu wrote: »

To all the people saying OP is overreacting? Every single time I play in Cyrodill all it takes is two sorcs to wipe a group of 20. You can try and try. Their shields are insane, their burst damage is insane, the balance in this game right now is insane! Give my warden some love!

Those 20 people are really bad at PvP.

Rikkof · July 2017

Until ZOS will not remove completely the ability for NB to kill their targets withing the stun period, NB will continued to be nerfed.
YOU CANT HAVE A CLASS WITH STEALTH AND HIGH DMG, PERIOD
I AGREE WITH THIS ALSO, NB EITHER GETS NERF AND REDUCE THEIR DMG BY 50% 4 SECONDS AFTER THEY EXIT STEALTH, OR KEEP HAVING NERFS, because u are most OP class in Cyrodiil now, the nerfs to proc sets and sharpened will help a bit , hopefully

CorsennaRyu · July 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

So they will switch to Julianos now like every other class is using. Silly how a crafted set will outperform some of the hardest to grind sets in the game.

Why work harder for something that's effortlessly performed by another class? I'm not calling for a sorc nerf- I'm calling for a "everything else" buff/revert.

They should buff NB magicka dps , YES , i agree , but if they buff the dps of the templar / dragon knight ... they should also up the tanking / healing of the sorc / nb .

Clearly, making them all suck is the preferred method at ZoS HQ.

I tank with a sorc in trials regularly. The only thing they can't do as effectively as any other class is heal, and even that they aren't terrible at.

Zordrage · July 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

They fixed a bug that should have been fixed ages ago. Stop whining and complaining and L2P. Morrowind killed both my primary classes magplar and magsorcs. You think playing a class that has HA braindead meta is fun? mNB is the only reason I'm still dpsing in trials.

DjMuscleboy02 · July 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How are magdks struggling???? Seriously. Too many scrubs need to l2p DK. I swear some people read the 1st page of this forum in the morning and then spam guild chats crying the world is ending..."everyone roll sorcs now"

As I told someone else, everything costs 4K+ magicka - you *** through your magicka bar and Battle Roar (the only form of sutain a DK gets) now gives crap resources due to the "balance" adjustment. PvE performance is the issue - performance in PvP is irrelevant because everyone zergs: when there's 20+ players firing crap at your enemy, everything is "viable".

Please don't tell a magdk player who has done everything and got all skins and a 579k flawless vMA score on his magdk that they are suffering in PvE. Seriously they are not struggling. Evidently you have no clue how to play one.

This, my magdk doesn't see the underside of 50% magic anywhere outside of Halls. They are anything but suffering in PvE lol. As far as everything else, there's plenty of options to turn to once path gets changed, even though it won't kill Nightblades as much as you think.

casparian · July 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

Until ZOS will not remove completely the ability for NB to kill their targets withing the stun period, NB will continued to be nerfed.
YOU CANT HAVE A CLASS WITH STEALTH AND HIGH DMG, PERIOD
I AGREE WITH THIS ALSO, NB EITHER GETS NERF AND REDUCE THEIR DMG BY 50% 4 SECONDS AFTER THEY EXIT STEALTH, OR KEEP HAVING NERFS, because u are most OP class in Cyrodiil now, the nerfs to proc sets and sharpened will help a bit , hopefully

Though I hesitate to reply to someone with a signature like yours, I feel compelled to remind you that this is largely a thread about PVP, and the change to NBs that we're talking about here is the change to Twisting Path. Path is not what's killing you when you get ganked, and NBs' ganking performance and PVE capacities are completely unrelated.

Danksta · July 2017

altemriel wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Magblades have died off and gone extinct every patch for the last what? 2 years?

and still people like Kena or Sypher can play them deadly

They are still performing the best in vMA too.

rustic_potato · July 2017

Zoliru wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

They fixed a bug that should have been fixed ages ago. Stop whining and complaining and L2P. Morrowind killed both my primary classes magplar and magsorcs. You think playing a class that has HA braindead meta is fun? mNB is the only reason I'm still dpsing in trials.

Have you tried playing a sorc without Heavy Attacks?

Kodrac · July 2017

casparian wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Until ZOS will not remove completely the ability for NB to kill their targets withing the stun period, NB will continued to be nerfed.
YOU CANT HAVE A CLASS WITH STEALTH AND HIGH DMG, PERIOD
I AGREE WITH THIS ALSO, NB EITHER GETS NERF AND REDUCE THEIR DMG BY 50% 4 SECONDS AFTER THEY EXIT STEALTH, OR KEEP HAVING NERFS, because u are most OP class in Cyrodiil now, the nerfs to proc sets and sharpened will help a bit , hopefully

Though I hesitate to reply to someone with a signature like yours, I feel compelled to remind you that this is largely a thread about PVP, and the change to NBs that we're talking about here is the change to Twisting Path. Path is not what's killing you when you get ganked, and NBs' ganking performance and PVE capacities are completely unrelated.

You're definitely talking over his head. Prepare to be personally attacked as a result.

Troneon · July 2017

Elder Sorcs Online has been a thing for a very long long time.

Zordrage · July 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

Zoliru wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

They fixed a bug that should have been fixed ages ago. Stop whining and complaining and L2P. Morrowind killed both my primary classes magplar and magsorcs. You think playing a class that has HA braindead meta is fun? mNB is the only reason I'm still dpsing in trials.

Have you tried playing a sorc without Heavy Attacks?

yes ... and i can barely drain myself and when i do ? so what 3 heavy attacks and back to spamming my abilities...

its not the end of the world.... using a weapon is an integral part of Elderscrolls games not just spam your abilities...

you people got to used to play this game like all the other MMOS where you just spam your class abilities thats the prob....

Koolio · July 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

This will make people run Nirn and do more damage to shields. Also viper nerf means more raw damage so similar effect.

Bombashaman · July 2017

Only thing I care about this thread is: "We are also investigating better ways to communicate what is a "direct damage" attack versus a "damage over time" attack".

Finally! \o/

max_only · July 2017

@casparian good luck to you, your gonna need it with that one.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

Zoliru wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

They fixed a bug that should have been fixed ages ago. Stop whining and complaining and L2P. Morrowind killed both my primary classes magplar and magsorcs. You think playing a class that has HA braindead meta is fun? mNB is the only reason I'm still dpsing in trials.

Have you tried playing a sorc without Heavy Attacks?

Yeah, I have. You run out of magicka in about two full rotations. Worthless. You have to use lightning HA spam. There's literally no other way to sustain your wards and dots, both of which have to be recast roughly every 10 seconds. Dark Conversion on its own isn't enough.

acw37162 · July 2017

Oh Jesus Drama much.

Saw a video of a Magblade pulling 47 K in Horns of the Reach PTS so yeah not dead.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

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Vaoh · July 2017

Meanwhile, NBs have the potential to legit replace Sorcs as the standard DPS spec next patch due to all of this rebalancing playing into a NB's favor amongst the numerous indirect Sorc nerfs

nevermind that they can both easily be accepted as equals for DPS now.

But yee lets complain more cause why not

Vaoh · July 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How are magdks struggling???? Seriously. Too many scrubs need to l2p DK. I swear some people read the 1st page of this forum in the morning and then spam guild chats crying the world is ending..."everyone roll sorcs now"

The damage caused by Mag Sorcs being #1 for a few patches in PvE and Stam Sorcs fantastic in PvP will take a looong time to go away.

Luckily it seems ZOS is much smarter than these complainers and has recently gotten a firm grasp on game balance. This Horns of the Reach patch proves it imo. Things look much brighter next patch than they do right now for game balance and build diversity.

SanTii.92 · July 2017

What is up with this thread, everyone's so mad and yelling. Nice triggering Op. (your post is really stupid actually)

DarkMatter909 · July 2017

Is this where I talk about how I love my sorc?

idk · July 2017

The skill was clearly a dot and by OP aknowledging it was procing scathing then he/she knows it was not behaving correctly. Zos medely dixed if. I think the only surprise is how long it took them.

Fortunately Zos decided to stop ignoring it since issues like that harm the game. Now we can figure out the set we should have been using the last couple of months.

br0steen · July 2017

Lmao if you dont wear scathing it doesnt mean you have completely awful dps.
Although I do like these threads, eventually if people complain enough they will over buff magblades