@SantieClaws

The trade guild system in ESO has been built quite thoughtfull in the beginning, the problem why it loses more and more ground and starts to become a serious issue on different servers is, because trade guilds in general are the dregs of the community. Meanwhile a normal player or a base of 2 or 3 palyers is able to achieve via sales the amount, which a guild gets by taxes, so they are able to set their own will or a tradeinactive pve or pvp guild over a 500 people strong trading guild. still there is no chance to make them aware, that this kind of ideology is just ***. its not like trade guild would have a possibility to buy themselves into the "working area" of pve and pvp guilds (trial ranking, campaign rankings) - still otherwise around its okay for small non trading bases to push into the one and only area trading guilds have.

u know how many pople give something about that? not a lot. if u can bid on a trader its your right to bid on that trader.


u see, right now, 2 months after last patch/update zos already started adjusting pve stuff again, even though some changes seemingly are taken very positive, many people still think, it isnt nice to overdo it now that fast, because they are nothing else than caught into a farm bop items loop.


while that, over a year bots infecting all servers, goldsellers have the greatest time of all because zos is doing nearly nothing. while zos changed most of the gear to bop, people dont have a lot stuff anymore to buy, also tempers falling in price permanenty, having millions on the privat bank isnt unusual anymore and nothing which is reserved to the really farm- and trade active part of the community. still the weekly tax income of a casual trade community of 500 people on pc eu as example is between 500k and 800k (15 and 25m), or when more ambitious and good selling trade guild let it be 1,3m (~40m-ish). bids everywhere are rising, since many people think its legitimate that 2 or 3 people of a guild, mainly leading people just pay some extra millions into the bank - why? - because is so easy to gather millions, if u want to - or: i even know of gm buying gold. never saw a ban, even though of reports.

nothing against some supportive donations, but in my opinion fair competetion works over sales. a good guild with good and attractive sales, with ambitious gm working and recruiting to maintain a quality trade guild deserves a good and attractive spot. its also what pleases most of the people, we all know, 50% of the people are pro auction house, since they hate running around.

at least on pc eu trading went competely out of order, competition is distorted due to "fake" sales by exploitive methods, by people having to much gold and beeing not able to spend their gold on something, because either bop or omg cheap tempers - thanks bots.

and u know how much zos gives on that? nothing.

after the dust exploit the gold from the resellers was still running around + exploited material which shouldnt have been there - either due to botting or due to a dupe. over and over again. instead of fixing or correcting it, zos just banned some accounts. like they did over and over in the past again the plus of material and the plus of gold stays in the game. this is how inflation works. this one time, hopefully, a decent amount of gold has been deleted - but since zos didnt answer the questions about wether they dealt or not, we wont know too fast. might even be, the guild jsut deleted themselves, change names, found new and saves the gold from the sales into a new guild bank, hitting again sooner or later.


the trade guilds dont get richer by all that. they will go down by that.
we have an ecenonomic system, where ZOS is the bank, providing the players with gold. and here over a longer time zos has been providing too much liquidity onto the market while people dont have too much on what they can spend they gold on, which just can sooner or later lead into a crumbling trade system.

this is the situation of pc eu.

the state of other servers compared to that is a situation where more hubs for trade guilds are available than needed. this makes other exploitive methods available. and u know how much zos will give on that? also nothing.
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all zos cares is increasing the amount of new crown crate items, crown store items, giving free eso+ and crown crate gifts to attract people pay and buy more, titeling a dlc + base game update as a chapter, to make also the eso+ers pay again, and bringing the pve players into the never ending farm loop, so they spend more time on new pve content and in the game (re-farming before beeing able to play it) and maybe...making a new dungeon dlc easy enough a wider mass of people is interested in buying it.

They could also make it so that people can bid with a lower amount and make it so if the highest bidding guild disbands the second highest bidder would be the new highest (this would be like a scoreboard, if the top one goes away the second place will be the new top, and if that goes away it will be the one just below that and so on). If they make it this way it would be next to impossible to use shell guilds to secure a cheap trader since legit guilds could make their offer even if it is lower than the one from a fake guild.

this one doesnt work. the guilds the thread opener talks about, bid the lowest possible amounts, since due to a lack of guilds there is a high chance, that traders stay free (which happens usually, because guilds often try the bigger hubs and while 2 or 3 guilds might bid on same trader, other less attractive traders stay free). those traders are used as backup trader to hire, if a guild gets outbid - right after the bidding time is over, u can run around, find a free trader and quick-hire it then for 10k. by making a bunch of "fake guilds" with 50 people, they just bid the lowest amount or a very low amount on traders and hope, that one of those is one, where no guild bid on.

the second reason, why it doesnt work this way quite good is, that also the losing guild on such a trader is able to check another trader and quick-hire that, so it would be blocked for that week on that trader.

hellcatlizzieb16_ESO wrote: »

There's way too many ways for large syndicates and alliance guilds to monopolies traders.
I help with a smaller trade guild and we don't have the numbers/donations to always get a trader anymore due to the 'dummy' guilds. When we do, it's not a good trader. To get to the level where we can we would have to ally which we don't want to do. I think the whole trader system needs a full overhaul tbh.

I dont know which server you are on, and how the people are you are talking to. Me, been a GM of two quite large and active guilds, also remember having to deal with rumours of beeing a very very ugly mafia guy with very very bad intentions, rumours of which carefully spoken not quite a lot was true. Just sayin'.