I take issue with the Agressive aspect of 1H/S

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

It should be the weapon of choice for tanks, not damage dealers
However I find that 1h/s:

1)Has tooltip dmg on par with DW (and I don't even have 1H/S levelled up).
2)All of the animations are short casting
3)Bonus dmg for bashing (ok, but..)
4) If we take animation cancelling in the mix 2) and 3) are greatly amplified and gain advantage over DW and 2H, whilst at the same time being the all best damage mitigation weapon.
5)80% of the active 1h/s skills offer a debuff while doing good dmg
6)Tank should not be very mobile. Why do they have a gap closer?!?
7)Passive gives 3% WD. Why?

In every mmorpg I like when it I see tanks being true fighters instead of just CC and agro units.
But I think that the dps aspect of 1h/s should be looked into, and maybe some changes can follow.
Ima bump this topic again at peak hour.

Enslaved · July 2017

R U Trolling?

phaneub17_ESO · July 2017

Do you actually play a tank or just assume?

Alucardo · July 2017

Sword and Board passive should amp your weapon and spell damage, not just weapon damage. I know this is probably not something you want to hear, but yeah.

max_only · July 2017

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

max_only wrote: »

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when a two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

And the gap closer? (adult film pun not intended)

max_only · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when a two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

And the gap closer? (adult video pun not intended)

"rush to it and bash its brains out"
Helps if you have a lot of ---- physical penetration.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

max_only wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when a two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

And the gap closer? (adult video pun not intended)

"rush to it and bash its brains out"

No.
I base my topics on fairness and concept.
The responses I get are "because it's practical"

If you are a tank, a heavy armored warrior carrying a shield you should not be able to rush.

max_only · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when a two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

And the gap closer? (adult video pun not intended)

"rush to it and bash its brains out"

No.
I base my topics on fairness and concept.
The responses I get are "because it's practical"

If you are a tank, a heavy armored warrior carrying a shield you should not be able to rush.

Did you see how much stamina it takes to do that? You gotta pop those little blue pills (or green pots) and keep up the tantric sustain to be able to pop off and Shield Charge all the time. Besides, most tanks use a mechanism to pull the mob to them (chains) or a class skill to get up close and those use magicka.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

And I am saying that as a heavy armored warrior with a shield you shouldn't be able to rush.
Look, PvE is ez in eso. Tera Online and FFXIV have more challenging dungeon mechanics. People can survive PvE without proc sets, destroy ulties, and tank charges. PvE is so ez, don't bring it up as an argument.

In Cyrodiil when I see a tank charging endlessly behind a fleeing enemy with with the 1h/s gap closer I just gring. You wear heavy armor, you are not supposed to be mobile.

max_only · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

And I am saying that as a heavy armored warrior with a shield you shouldn't be able to rush.
Look, PvE is ez in eso. Tera Online and FFXIV have more challenging dungeon mechanics. People can survive PvE without proc sets, destroy ulties, and tank charges. PvE is so ez, don't bring it up as an argument.

In Cyrodiil when I see a tank charging endlessly behind a fleeing enemy with with the 1h/s gap closer I just gring. You wear heavy armor, you are not supposed to be mobile.

Aha! Well I didn't see you specify for pvp only. I take my leave. I'm glad we could have this Talk, son.

Enslaved · July 2017

Who on Molag's Bal sweet Nirn charges in PvE dungeons?

Malacthulhu · July 2017

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pAzI1UvlQqw

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

George I'm gonna be honest I don't think ESO is for you. Some of your threads point to non issues or call for changes to long standing mechanical gameplay. Asking why s&b has a gap closer is just silly mate please tell you're trolling?

Magdalina · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

And I am saying that as a heavy armored warrior with a shield you shouldn't be able to rush.
Look, PvE is ez in eso. Tera Online and FFXIV have more challenging dungeon mechanics. People can survive PvE without proc sets, destroy ulties, and tank charges. PvE is so ez, don't bring it up as an argument.

In Cyrodiil when I see a tank charging endlessly behind a fleeing enemy with with the 1h/s gap closer I just gring. You wear heavy armor, you are not supposed to be mobile.

There's like half a dozen ways to be mobile without charge (not to mention charge not being s&b exclusive skill). Mobility and ability to react fast make the game fun, there's no reason for them to be removed.

I'm not saying there aren't gap closer related PvP issues but these issues aren't related to "overperforming" s&b much.

Also um...there is a reason why no sane PvE dps uses s&b and PvP "dps" only use it on one bar if at all, it's because its damage is highly meh compared to say DW/destro and people using it are consciously sacrificing some of their damage for tankiness, I'm not sure what makes you think otherwise. Maybe you should level up s&b and try it yourself first before making a thread about it being OP dps weapon of choice?

Morgul667 · July 2017

Tanks cant do much in PVP if they dont have a gap closer. Would be extremely boring to play imho

ofSunhold · July 2017

max_only wrote: »

If you have to ask why a tank needs a gap closer.... maybe we need to have The Talk.

See when a two support classes (healer and tank) love each other very much, they do a special hug with the boss of a dungeon. Tanks hold the boss's attention, weaken it with debuffs and if it jumps around, rush to it and bash its brains out to interrupt it to prevent premature... *cough* "wipes". Healers buff the tanks (and those filthy voyeuristic dps) heal injuries, help with mechanics, dps and set the pace of the sweet sweet war-making (can't go shooting off on your own without a healer!)

furious blushing

max_only · July 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

Who on Molag's Bal sweet Nirn charges in PvE dungeons?

I don't usually, but someone specifically asked me to slot it. I haven't used gap closers since that one time I got stuck in the phantom zone. Also, I hear people have gap closed right into loading screens and Loading Screen is the real op boss of this game.

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

Also just because you're using s&b doesn't necessarily mean you're using heavy armor. Some magicka DKs made the switch to light armor in morrowind for the sustain/penetration while using s&b for the mitigation/passives.

I'm surprised you didn't point to the biggest issue with s&b in pvp which is the player "taunt" mechanic which allows sets like tremor scale to proc.

KochDerDamonen · July 2017

You don't have to wear heavy armor to wield a sword&shield

Sword&Shield is a very standard wartime equipment setup, the shield doesn't turn your sword into a pool noodle in real life or fantasy... well, maybe in someone's fantasy

max_only · July 2017

Oh and about Tera: Lancer tanks use Onslaught and Shield Barrage which is basically the same gap closing attack. I used to love that animation when I played that game. Choo choo mfer lol

Also the same skill existed in Wow but it's been a decade since I played that.

I bet if I cared enough I could find this same skill in DnD ferchristsakes.

Magdalina · July 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

Who on Molag's Bal sweet Nirn charges in PvE dungeons?

There're certain mechanics that pretty much require it, albeit not that many. Kheph in CoS ports away to charge up her heavy, better get close quick enough to bash that.

slumber_sandb16_ESO · July 2017

Tanks get screwed over pretty much every patch, DLC and chapter. Everything in the game is about DPS, DPS always comes first. Get your filthy paws off my tanking gear.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

slumber_sandb16_ESO wrote: »

Tanks get screwed over pretty much every patch, DLC and chapter. Everything in the game is about DPS, DPS always comes first. Get your filthy paws off my tanking gear.

Everything goes to DPS because there are not restrictions and class roles in PvP ESO.
(PvE is ez..)

Anyway gotta farm some Nirn mats to ride the Expensive Wave of the first days of the new DLC.
Btw If my topics are crazy, why comment on them? Surely the Devs won't hear them. Why keep them on the first page as well?
Because public forums skillz? It's not like there's much discussion going on when u say the same things as everybody above you.

idk · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

And I am saying that as a heavy armored warrior with a shield you shouldn't be able to rush.
Look, PvE is ez in eso. Tera Online and FFXIV have more challenging dungeon mechanics. People can survive PvE without proc sets, destroy ulties, and tank charges. PvE is so ez, don't bring it up as an argument.

In Cyrodiil when I see a tank charging endlessly behind a fleeing enemy with with the 1h/s gap closer I just gring. You wear heavy armor, you are not supposed to be mobile.

Try telling a tank who has OTed vMoL HM or any tank who has cleared vHoF as a tank that tanking is easy in ESO. As for vHoF, I think some tanks really like that gap closer on the 4th boss. The rest of the group is not complaining about it due to the mechanics of the fight.

br0steen · July 2017

Sounds like someone recently was killed by people using sword and board.

Peekachu99 · July 2017

Tank should ABSOULTELY be mobile. Rest of your post is equally uniformed.

hmsdragonfly · July 2017

Top kek.

Magıc · July 2017

Can't tell if you're trolling or not.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Are you the new noob troll of the forum or what?

What happened to the 3 polls a day guy?

Keep_Door · July 2017

Lol