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Anddddd viper is dead now
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✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Viper will still be very strong. If anything it gives none dot based burst nightblade's now some sustained damage. Which means we drain stam from players blocking.
Also the ability to proc Velidreth every second
I still think i'd use Seleane's. I like having more control over my monster set.Brutusmax1mus wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »Is it buffed by thaum now?
Omg
Viper was already buffed by Master at Arms though, which is won't anymore.PS4 NA DC2 -
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✭They didn't remove the cooldown of veli, they added a second of animation before it procs right?0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »They didn't remove the cooldown of veli, they added a second of animation before it procs right?Velidreth: This Item Set’s proc now occurs after a 1 second delay, and displays a warning visual on the set wearer when the proc occurs.
Just a delay. Cool-down still starts before the delay most likely.PS4 NA DC0 -
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Lmao that gif gets me every god damn timeEdited by Alucardo on July 10, 2017 9:54PM4 -
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Now you can use viper to proc poisonous serpent which got buffed with a 50% proc chance and pretty sure it can still double proc off of DW heavy attacks.A new gank matter.GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »For a ganking nightblade this is a buff. Heavy att> incap and now the 3 seconds after viper is increased by 20%. Looool.
Viper also just been made a better dueling set now that its a DOT you can use it as a extra dot in a stam dot dueling build.1 -
redshirt_49✭✭✭✭My poisoner build is happy. MOAR DOOOOOOOOOOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
drake88131✭✭✭Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.Edited by drake88131 on July 10, 2017 10:12PM2 -
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✭@drake88131 why you salty just farm a new set not like there's any other end game in ESO2 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Meh, doesn't seem too bad.
Will see how this evolves and adapt accordingly. Kinda hate how NBs rely on burst damage for the get in/ get out playstyle and that's essentially what ZOS is targeting and what players complain about.
I don't see this breaking the class so might be a nice change of pace.
I main a Sorc and still think it's time to calm them down moreso than NBs.1 -
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✭drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
Yes you are correct but you have to acknowledge the RNG rat race. They have to keep you grinding for gear so every few updates they screw with the meta to make sure your back in grinding old content.
A lot of MMO's do this, its not necessarily nefarious, if they keep things status quo to long people log jam at end game as they gear out. Sure you can roll an alt i suppose.1 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
@drake88131 The set now has an identity other than doing occasional random invisible burst damage.
Don't try selling this as something badIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].1 -
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✭✭✭I want a refund, i just spent a million AP on 2 vipor rings.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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worsttankever✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »I want a refund, i just spent a million AP on 2 vipor rings.
I saw that setup coming from a mile away. I can't remember if it was last week - but weekend vendor had 1 stam proc set and hircine's veneer (stam sustain). I started wondering if Zenimax had economists that would compile "market data" (how sets sell compared to each other) for purposes of balancing.Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour.0 -
drake88131✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
@drake88131 The set now has an identity other than doing occasional random invisible burst damage.
Don't try selling this as something bad
So what you're saying is that you've enjoyed the constant changes and nerfs over the last year or so? You like having to constantly grind the gear to play the same content you used to do but now much later? I'm not talking about viper specifically. I'm talking about the big picture. Problem is there are players and pointlessly vocal forum warriors that can't see the forest for the trees and guess what? ZOS is a big dumb lumberjack that is cutting it all down and not growing any more. Unfortunately they cut the trees down mostly when the forum warriors whine and mark the best trees around. Too many people on this forum r helping them destroy what is the best part of this game. Unsustainable and pointless. For ZOS they think it's great because they still r getting a lot of customers buying their wood (buying the game). Problem is eventually the forest will be gone because they forgot to grow it and they are helping it rot. Most end game players leave this game eventually. People like u are pet of the problem. Something is hard for you to deal with no matter how enjoyable it makes the game for everyone else so you have to scream and complain until you get your way. Stop defending ZOS and justifying what they're doing Bc you want to believe the game will be better some day because of them killing the forest. News flash: it is not better than a year ago. It is not getting better. It will not get better. ZOS is not acting like they like the players and never will. ZOS is likely going to keep treating this game and us players like disposable trash until they have gotten every last cent they can and will move on. You want proof? Read these forums. When does ZOS engage in a reasonable and rational conversation with anyone about what they want to do? When everyone was upset with morrowind patch did they engage us or care? No. they couldn't even be bothered to talk to one funny man in Nebraska that actually had a following. They tell you how it is and are only responsive when someone is licking their boot or if they feel there's some glitch that doesn't really need fixing that they want to fix. Heck even when the consoles became virtually unplayable they don't engage just tell us they are "looking" into it. But don't worry!!! That crazy wrothgar NPC that eats apples with her cheeks will be fixed soon!!!! In my opinion, the direction is bad and the game is starting to become bad. But what do I know? I'm one of the idiots still buying the wood!!!???Edited by drake88131 on July 11, 2017 12:56AM2 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Mwa, ha, ha, ha!!!!!
Great job Zenimax!!
Now bring it on you cheesing Proc Set stackers...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on July 11, 2017 12:46AMUnyeilding Bias
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is the single best change to eso pvp they have done.
If you are salty about this, its because you enjoy instagibbing people that can't fight back.
Same damage, now counterable.
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭I already tested it is was not needed for most people's rotation. If you died to it before you will still die.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭drake88131 wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
@drake88131 The set now has an identity other than doing occasional random invisible burst damage.
Don't try selling this as something bad
So what you're saying is that you've enjoyed the constant changes and nerfs over the last year or so? You like having to constantly grind the gear to play the same content you used to do but now much later? I'm not talking about viper specifically. I'm talking about the big picture. Problem is there are players and pointlessly vocal forum warriors that can't see the forest for the trees and guess what? ZOS is a big dumb lumberjack that is cutting it all down and not growing any more. Unfortunately they cut the trees down mostly when the forum warriors whine and mark the best trees around. Too many people on this forum r helping them destroy what is the best part of this game. Unsustainable and pointless. For ZOS they think it's great because they still r getting a lot of customers buying their wood (buying the game). Problem is eventually the forest will be gone because they forgot to grow it and they are helping it rot. Most end game players leave this game eventually. People like u are pet of the problem. Something is hard for you to deal with no matter how enjoyable it makes the game for everyone else so you have to scream and complain until you get your way. Stop defending ZOS and justifying what they're doing Bc you want to believe the game will be better some day because of them killing the forest. News flash: it is not better than a year ago. It is not getting better. It will not get better. ZOS is not acting like they like the players and never will. ZOS is likely going to keep treating this game and us players like disposable trash until they have gotten every last cent they can and will move on. You want proof? Read hear forums. When does ZOS engage in a reasonable and rational conversation with anyone about what they want to do? When everyone was upset with morrowind patch did they engage us or care? No. they couldn't even be bothered to talk to one funny man in Nebraska that actually had a following. They tell you how it is and are only responsive when someone is licking their boot or if they feel there's some glitch that doesn't really need fixing that they want to fix. Heck even when the consoles became virtually unplayable they don't engage just tell us they are "looking" into it. But don't worry!!! That crazy wrothgar NPC that eats apples with her cheeks will be fixed soon!!!! In my opinion, the direction is bad and the game is starting to become bad. But what do I know? I'm one of the idiots still buying the wood!!!???
@Drake88131 That's a huge rant that's way off base, again. The Viper change is nice, makes it better as a sustained damage set and reduces the amount of invisible burst in the game. Nerfs aren't some devil magic trying to send our children to hell.
This game has its problems, one of them is not this change to viper.
Also: 'people like me' are not your problem. I didn't ask for any nerfs, the pvp in this game is permanently and inherenly unbalanced no matter what. Get a grip and grow up.Edited by KochDerDamonen on July 11, 2017 1:01AMIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].5 -
Jiandao✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »They didn't remove the cooldown of veli, they added a second of animation before it procs right?
Absolutely right. The one second delay would not be much help for someone whilst stunned by an Ambush.
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drake88131✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
@drake88131 The set now has an identity other than doing occasional random invisible burst damage.
Don't try selling this as something bad
So what you're saying is that you've enjoyed the constant changes and nerfs over the last year or so? You like having to constantly grind the gear to play the same content you used to do but now much later? I'm not talking about viper specifically. I'm talking about the big picture. Problem is there are players and pointlessly vocal forum warriors that can't see the forest for the trees and guess what? ZOS is a big dumb lumberjack that is cutting it all down and not growing any more. Unfortunately they cut the trees down mostly when the forum warriors whine and mark the best trees around. Too many people on this forum r helping them destroy what is the best part of this game. Unsustainable and pointless. For ZOS they think it's great because they still r getting a lot of customers buying their wood (buying the game). Problem is eventually the forest will be gone because they forgot to grow it and they are helping it rot. Most end game players leave this game eventually. People like u are pet of the problem. Something is hard for you to deal with no matter how enjoyable it makes the game for everyone else so you have to scream and complain until you get your way. Stop defending ZOS and justifying what they're doing Bc you want to believe the game will be better some day because of them killing the forest. News flash: it is not better than a year ago. It is not getting better. It will not get better. ZOS is not acting like they like the players and never will. ZOS is likely going to keep treating this game and us players like disposable trash until they have gotten every last cent they can and will move on. You want proof? Read hear forums. When does ZOS engage in a reasonable and rational conversation with anyone about what they want to do? When everyone was upset with morrowind patch did they engage us or care? No. they couldn't even be bothered to talk to one funny man in Nebraska that actually had a following. They tell you how it is and are only responsive when someone is licking their boot or if they feel there's some glitch that doesn't really need fixing that they want to fix. Heck even when the consoles became virtually unplayable they don't engage just tell us they are "looking" into it. But don't worry!!! That crazy wrothgar NPC that eats apples with her cheeks will be fixed soon!!!! In my opinion, the direction is bad and the game is starting to become bad. But what do I know? I'm one of the idiots still buying the wood!!!???
@Drake88131 That's a huge rant that's way off base, again. The Viper change is nice, makes it better as a sustained damage set and reduces the amount of invisible burst in the game. Nerfs aren't some devil magic trying to send our children to hell.
This game has its problems, one of them is not this change to viper.
You're not even listening. I'm not sure why you're even engaging me if you have no desire to discuss anything with me. Again, as I said, I'm not the one off point. The point of my original post was about a bigger picture than your focus on viper. What you want to do is re direct this conversation and troll so I go off the rails and discuss viper specifically. No but I do like that you actually admit to agreeing with me that "the game has its problems..." but since you clearly just want to insult anything I say as a "rant" that is "off base" while ignoring what I say I'm going to just agree to disagree with you and move on. Let me know next year or two when you quit out of frustration like everyone else will (you will too FYI) how wrong and off base I am.
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drake88131✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
Yes you are correct but you have to acknowledge the RNG rat race. They have to keep you grinding for gear so every few updates they screw with the meta to make sure your back in grinding old content.
A lot of MMO's do this, its not necessarily nefarious, if they keep things status quo to long people log jam at end game as they gear out. Sure you can roll an alt i suppose.
I don't understand. So what you're saying is because an entire industry engages in a very stupid thing that it's ok? I understand, but I know it's stupid. Maybe that's why most MMOs suck? As Joe Madden said last year to the Cubs...we should try not to suck
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
BiS for PvE.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »KochDerDamonen wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Seriously they need to just stop at some point. Let's think about what they really did. Anyone farming for the last year for sharpened weapons just got totally bent over. Anyone farming for viper for the last year just got royally bent over. Etc. problem is they are actually too f***** stupid to see how people like stability more than balance. If they don't just lock it in eventually and let everyone deal with whatever then it will eventually be unplayable. sure everyone was whining about viper but if ZOS just said: "too bad." Then guess what? That's the game and you get a real reward from knowing how to play and deal with it. The way this is going it is legit taking a incredibly bad and horrid direction. I honest to god think I could do better. I really really do. ZOS, I obviously love the game but y'all don't know jack about what players really want and, frankly, I personally feel my patience is running out for you to get it together.
@drake88131 The set now has an identity other than doing occasional random invisible burst damage.
Don't try selling this as something bad
So what you're saying is that you've enjoyed the constant changes and nerfs over the last year or so? You like having to constantly grind the gear to play the same content you used to do but now much later? I'm not talking about viper specifically. I'm talking about the big picture. Problem is there are players and pointlessly vocal forum warriors that can't see the forest for the trees and guess what? ZOS is a big dumb lumberjack that is cutting it all down and not growing any more. Unfortunately they cut the trees down mostly when the forum warriors whine and mark the best trees around. Too many people on this forum r helping them destroy what is the best part of this game. Unsustainable and pointless. For ZOS they think it's great because they still r getting a lot of customers buying their wood (buying the game). Problem is eventually the forest will be gone because they forgot to grow it and they are helping it rot. Most end game players leave this game eventually. People like u are pet of the problem. Something is hard for you to deal with no matter how enjoyable it makes the game for everyone else so you have to scream and complain until you get your way. Stop defending ZOS and justifying what they're doing Bc you want to believe the game will be better some day because of them killing the forest. News flash: it is not better than a year ago. It is not getting better. It will not get better. ZOS is not acting like they like the players and never will. ZOS is likely going to keep treating this game and us players like disposable trash until they have gotten every last cent they can and will move on. You want proof? Read these forums. When does ZOS engage in a reasonable and rational conversation with anyone about what they want to do? When everyone was upset with morrowind patch did they engage us or care? No. they couldn't even be bothered to talk to one funny man in Nebraska that actually had a following. They tell you how it is and are only responsive when someone is licking their boot or if they feel there's some glitch that doesn't really need fixing that they want to fix. Heck even when the consoles became virtually unplayable they don't engage just tell us they are "looking" into it. But don't worry!!! That crazy wrothgar NPC that eats apples with her cheeks will be fixed soon!!!! In my opinion, the direction is bad and the game is starting to become bad. But what do I know? I'm one of the idiots still buying the wood!!!???
So Drake, what do you consider to be the best part of the game that is being destroyed. You failed to mention it. An buckup lumberjack I am sure they work all night and sleep all day on this stuff.Xbox One Na0
