Why big changes so often?

Dragonnord · July 2017

Hi all,

We all probably spent a lot of money (a lot of players millions) buying weapons with specific traits (ie: Sharpened) / money and time crafting / a lot of time farming traits (ie: dungeons, trials, vMaelstrom) / a lot of money improving weapons and gear to Legendary, and now things change again.

We had recent changes to resource managment and so we needed to modified gear too.

Before, we had changes to players levels, champion points, skills, combat mechanics, etc.

I don't have a problem with that, my question is, why so soon? You haven't get used to something or haven't finished farming something when it suddenly gets changed.

Is there a reason for these changes to be so short in time?

Thanks in advance.

AzraelKrieg · July 2017

Because players demand changes and get annoyed when the changes are small

Dragonnord · July 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Because players demand changes and get annoyed when the changes are small

Probably sarcasm yours, but just in case, I don't know ANYONE that have demanded resource managment changes, sharpened nerfed, things that were right nerfed too, etc.

Sigtric · July 2017

ZOS balance is always heavy handed because of the fact they might touch it once a quarter.

akl77 · July 2017

Cos they suck at balancing from the beginning

ezeepeezee · July 2017

Because it makes more sense for them to try to balance things in such a way that all traits are conceivably useful, instead of only having one viable option for things. It's better actually, because you can adjust your build around traits for things you have, while you work towards something better, instead of having no in-between.

Also, if you spent millions on something, that's on you. You decided it was worth the gold, instead of the time it would take to get that thing yourself.

Just my 2 cents.

Juhasow · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Because players demand changes and get annoyed when the changes are small

Probably sarcasm yours, but just in case, I don't know ANYONE that have demanded resource managment changes, sharpened nerfed, things that were right nerfed too, etc.

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madchuska83 · July 2017

The question should be, "Why do they make so many changes before addressing game breaking issues?".

Dragonnord · July 2017

ezeepeezee wrote: »

Also, if you spent millions on something, that's on you. You decided it was worth the gold, instead of the time it would take to get that thing yourself.

I mentioned gold but also time spent farming, even crafting. I didn't mention gold only.

Loralai_907 · July 2017

I'm pretty sure it is to keep us playing. We are always hunting for something new, chasing after the newest items we want or need, new content, new activities, etc. People tend to not have the attention spans we may have once had. So constant changing things up in my mind feeds into that.

ezeepeezee · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

Also, if you spent millions on something, that's on you. You decided it was worth the gold, instead of the time it would take to get that thing yourself.

I mentioned gold but also time spent farming, even crafting. I didn't mention gold only.

Yes, my mistake. But still, I personally much prefer that there be options, and I like that they are doing this. It's probably best to hold off on going all in on things, knowing that ZOS is focusing energy on balancing things out. I have gold gear as well, it's not as if I'm unaffected. But I am personally okay with taking the hit, knowing that we might have a more interesting (and in PVP, unpredictable) game in the future.

ADarklore · July 2017

madchuska83 wrote: »

The question should be, "Why do they make so many changes before addressing game breaking issues?".

I have yet to have any of these 'game breaking issues'. Furthermore, they have different departments that handle different aspects of the game, so they CAN do multiple things at once... and just because they don't have your 'game breaking issues' fixed doesn't mean the other departments cannot publish their updates.

Agalloch · July 2017

@CarbonX because they don't want to separate PVP from PVE in term of balance changes.

Also they want to artificially make end game content more harder.

They nerf players...for this.

They want to eliminate vertical progression which is the core of every MMO .

I love ESO but these changes made so often make me feel dizzy.

Overall these changes are no so bad...but they are implemented because people cried about PVP.

PVE adjustments because of PVP.

I am sure in the next few weeks the forum will be full of complains ....about PVE .

All will last until next big patch when they will make another big changes ...and so on..

This will not stop if they don't understand that PVP and PVE must be addressed separately.

English is not my native language.

Beardimus · July 2017

Because the changes with MW didn't do enough.

Proc sets still majorly OP. And same meta bore builds still king with slight adjustments.

These changes are the best I've read in a while, tho still not enough nerfing for Proc sets

Turelus · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Because players demand changes and get annoyed when the changes are small

Probably sarcasm yours, but just in case, I don't know ANYONE that have demanded resource managment changes, sharpened nerfed, things that were right nerfed too, etc.

Resource changes were asked for by many in the community, ZOS didn't do it exactly how they desired but they acted on what was becoming a growing problem.

Sharpened nerf sure no one wants it, especially those with the perfect weapons but the game seriously needed it. The fact sharpened was the only choice was bad for the games health.

Whilst a new BiS will arise now and everyone will want that it seems from what I have seen and read so far the bar will be much closer and we might see a little more variety in classes.

Kneighbors · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Because players demand changes and get annoyed when the changes are small

Probably sarcasm yours, but just in case, I don't know ANYONE that have demanded resource managment changes, sharpened nerfed, things that were right nerfed too, etc.

You are joking, right? People were opening a thread every other day about invulnerable builds in PvP with never-ending resources linking ZoS to see the videos of such builds. I don't know if the same people feel better today against same players who drilled them a new one before. Think they are drilling them a double today.

Kneighbors · July 2017

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

@CarbonX because they don't want to separate PVP from PVE in term of balance changes.

Also they want to artificially make end game content more harder.

They nerf players...for this.

They want to eliminate vertical progression which is the core of every MMO .

I love ESO but these changes made so often make me feel dizzy.

Overall these changes are no so bad...but they are implemented because people cried about PVP.

PVE adjustments because of PVP.

I am sure in the next few weeks the forum will be full of complains ....about PVE .

All will last until next big patch when they will make another big changes ...and so on..

This will not stop if they don't understand that PVP and PVE must be addressed separately.

English is not my native language.

They are nerfing all of the DLC dungeons, so noobs will actually feel better with the changes I guess

dem0n1k · July 2017

When they lower the ceiling really quickly, it can hit the tall ones on the head & knock them right out.

LadyDestiny · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Hi all,

We all probably spent a lot of money (a lot of players millions) buying weapons with specific traits (ie: Sharpened) / money and time crafting / a lot of time farming traits (ie: dungeons, trials, vMaelstrom) / a lot of money improving weapons and gear to Legendary, and now things change again.

We had recent changes to resource managment and so we needed to modified gear too.

Before, we had changes to players levels, champion points, skills, combat mechanics, etc.

I don't have a problem with that, my question is, why so soon? You haven't get used to something or haven't finished farming something when it suddenly gets changed.

Is there a reason for these changes to be so short in time?

Thanks in advance.

I can deal with change. It happens in an mmo but, I have to agree these major changes lately are way too close together. Have spent a fortune trying to get geared on characters since morrowind hit what, maybe 6 weeks now? Now I have to do it again? I am not gearing anything now. Going to run around in what I have atm and not even finish half the characters that are naked because of cost and lack of mats, upgrade mats and nerfs to drops and just bad rng. I will just farm, farm and more farm and hoard everything. Then take a break and go play Destiny 2.

Epona222 · July 2017

I've been playing ESO since beta.

Changes occur every major update.

Don't spend massive amounts buying gear or upgrading stuff to gold - it will change next update.

Try to remember that and start enjoying the game without thinking "ok I got this gear and it will last me forever" then going into a rage every update when things change. Stop farming, start enjoying.

Tandor · July 2017

The changes happen so often because every time a PvPer dies it's due to imbalance in the game structure and that has to be addressed. Apart from that, it's because MMOs are evolutionary games and part of their appeal is the freshness resulting from regular changes.

raj72616a · July 2017

at least this time there are plenty of buffs for us to adapt into, this time we are not being asked to adapt when there are not nerfs and the only buffs are that "this will be a buff if you have less than 13k max stamina"

Dantaria · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

Try to remember that and start enjoying the game without thinking "ok I got this gear and it will last me forever" then going into a rage every update when things change. Stop farming, start enjoying.

Honestly the reason I stubbornly stick to Julianos and screw being "best of the best". With ZoS policy being "we're going to change everything"... What's the point?

The problem is - gear is fine, it gets changed whole time everywhere. What is stressful is that they can at any point drastically change the game itself. Morrowind was an example of it.

In Homestead I just understood how the wheels turn, so to speak, became competent player, got to endgame... Bum. Morrowind hitted - and I had to relearn almost from scratch. The playstyle, CP distribution... Everything changed.

And now everything changes again. And thank god I'm in Julianos - I'll just take Lover mundus and craft Precise staves. But it's still not very comfortable.

In general people do not deal with major changes easily. It's stressful for our kind when there is no stability.

I would prefer often but gradual changes. Playing the game feels like sitting on time bomb with this policy of ZoS. "Ok, I got it, I'm good enough for all content... for how long though?"

blnchk · July 2017

Trying to balance an MMO is a never-ending process, as is known. You may also have noticed that the changes (and natch potes) are highly anticipated. For some, they function in the spirit of a content update – and in that case bigger does indeed seem better.

Jamascus · July 2017

mommadani907 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it is to keep us playing. We are always hunting for something new, chasing after the newest items we want or need, new content, new activities, etc. People tend to not have the attention spans we may have once had. So constant changing things up in my mind feeds into that.

If they would just make the game good on it's own merits they wouldn't have to arbitrarily make things take longer just to keep us playing.

In no particular order:

Fix the broken and unnecessary gating involved with horse riding skills and trait researching.
Make all items bind on equip
Add a single access point that allows for searching all guild traders at once
Get rid of proc sets
Balance PVP and PVE separately
Allow us to change the trait on a weapon/armor

This is not an exhaustive list, but any of these changes would be a giant step in the right direction. It would make the game more fun to play.

AcadianPaladin · July 2017

How old is this game? And it is not balanced yet? Why? Because balancing a game for PvE and PvP is not possible? How long does it take to realize that?

GreenhaloX · July 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Hi all,

We all probably spent a lot of money (a lot of players millions) buying weapons with specific traits (ie: Sharpened) / money and time crafting / a lot of time farming traits (ie: dungeons, trials, vMaelstrom) / a lot of money improving weapons and gear to Legendary, and now things change again.

We had recent changes to resource managment and so we needed to modified gear too.

Before, we had changes to players levels, champion points, skills, combat mechanics, etc.

I don't have a problem with that, my question is, why so soon? You haven't get used to something or haven't finished farming something when it suddenly gets changed.

Is there a reason for these changes to be so short in time?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, I agree. Enjoyment level with Morrowind patch took a landslide for me than prior patch, and after a month a later, it is jacked up in my eyes. Now, more nerfing are to come. I used to subscribed to the 3 months ESO+, but have downgraded to just a month.. and I'm glad I did because it will expire when the next DLC and patch/continued ludicrous nerfing are expected to be installed.

mommadani907 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it is to keep us playing. We are always hunting for something new, chasing after the newest items we want or need, new content, new activities, etc. People tend to not have the attention spans we may have once had. So constant changing things up in my mind feeds into that.

New contents and story/questline, i.e., DLC/chapter/expansion, whatever they want to call it, are what the majority of us (if not all) really want; not more and continued nerfing crap. No.. the nerfing is not the "something new we are always hunting for.."

Rickter · July 2017

relax, sharpened is still probs BiS

Kneighbors · July 2017

I feel stupid. I didn't even finish farming for new gear for my characters making my best to adjust to Morrowind changes and I need to farm new ones. It is just a week ago that I finally purchased sharpened necropotence staves and turned them into gold, so now I'll have to stow them and look for other

Feanor · July 2017

On the bright side I don't have to start farming for a lot of stuff now

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Feanor wrote: »

On the bright side I don't have to start farming for a lot of stuff now

Yes.. I agree with you on looking at the bright side of this. For me, the bright side of this is I can look forward to the other games I've been wanting to get into, once I ride out this final month of ESO+ (or perhaps much sooner; and if folks ask nicely, I'm willing to give away my stuff. Yeah, no problem there.)