What is the purpose of under 50 PvP?

Most_Awesome · July 2017

LOL Kyne/BWB Is for stomping on noobs, simple as that, grinding DB and meteor before lv10 and having golded out weapons for every 5 levels ( Oh and dont forget those cost increase poisons

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disintegr8 · July 2017

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I was grouped up with some teen leveled players the other week and some of them simply left and said they would come back when they were a higher level. Their level should not matter but they simply felt their characters were unable to compete.

Your character level matters much less on this campaign due to battle leveling it was a misunderstanding on those players part for not understanding the system that determines max stats/damage. New players have just as much access to crafted and overland gear as experienced players. Gear matters much less on non vet campaign compared to the veteran campaigns.

There are enough people here saying they think it is more fun, more balanced, easiest way to Emp your toon, to see that some experienced players stay here because it is easier for them to compete. I interpret this to mean that it is easier going up against 'scrubs' and 'noobs' than players who actually know what they are doing in PVP.

I won't speak for anyone else but the reason I reroll on Kyne is because of the lack of monster helms/proc sets that plague vet campaigns to no end. You'll find no shortage of threads discussing the overuse of certain sets in the vet meta and simply speaking they have little impact on Kyne making the campaign a better experience overall imo. Your interpretation is false.

My apologies if anyone is offended, but anyone who has taken characters through BWB or Kyne, only to delete them in order to roll a new one through the same campaign, is simply someone who wants an easy time at other peoples expense.

This is a common misconception that players have I know many people who reroll on Kyne and none of them are doing this at other players expense. It's actually the opposite, a guild I belong to frequently takes new players in and shows them how to play the map properly giving new players a solid foundation to build upon.

A level 25 player on his first PVP character gets butchered by a level 12 toon belonging to someone who has rolled 10 characters through this 'learners' campaign is only going to learn to hate PVP.

Give new players a true learners area.

This is more of a L2P issue. If the level 12 wins it is because that player has exceeded the learning curve and gained mastery over the play style while the level 25 player simply has not. As far as a "true learner area" you'll need to elaborate further on this point.

Your response about staying here because you can't or won't compete against proc/monster sets effectively confirms my thoughts - you can't compete in vet PVP so you stay in non vet PVP where it is easier.

The level 12 player in my scenario has only '"exceeded the learning curve" due to having been there 10 times before. Rather than being a quicker learner, they have just had far more practice than a first time level 12 PVP'er could ever have.

A true learners area is somewhere where new players can go up against people of similar levels and experience, rather than somewhere they go to get ganked by 3 'pros' who then take it in turns to teabag them - as if they have just accomplished some great feat.

Someone in EP yesterday spent several minutes in text chat complaining the EP was useless and was full of 'Morrowind Noobs who don't know how to PVP'. And what else does he expect?

Sure, people who are learning need some experienced people around them to assist and teach them the ropes but just because there are a lot of experienced players there doesn't make it a 'better classroom'. A child learning to swim does not learn best by being thrown in the deep end of the pool - all it does to most people is scare them off or discourage them.

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

Your response about staying here because you can't or won't compete against proc/monster sets effectively confirms my thoughts - you can't compete in vet PVP so you stay in non vet PVP where it is easier.

Actually you know what is easier? Putting on cancer sets and blowing up scrubs in a CP campaign. Are you one of those consule players who sits in queue for an hour because you won't play without your CP crutch?

Come to non vet and make a build work without all the passives, no CP, limited skills and crafted armor.

The level 12 player in my scenario has only '"exceeded the learning curve" due to having been there 10 times before. Rather than being a quicker learner, they have just had far more practice than a first time level 12 PVP'er could ever have.

Don't see a problem with that.

A true learners area is somewhere where new players can go up against people of similar levels and experience, rather than somewhere they go to get ganked by 3 'pros' who then take it in turns to teabag them - as if they have just accomplished some great feat.

So a static map and noobs spamming light attack at each other? Sounds exciting and educational. How do you measure "experience"? Is it by time played? Because groups of gankers are on all the servers but sadly the developers have not provided ranked BGs to separate the wheat from the chaff. All this raising the floor and lowering the ceiling nonsense and not providing ranked 2v2. 3v3, and 4v4 only further polarizes players new and old.

Someone in EP yesterday spent several minutes in text chat complaining the EP was useless and was full of 'Morrowind Noobs who don't know how to PVP'. And what else does he expect?

Maybe you should ask him? EP has been very competitive the last few nights I don't see their groups having issues pushing the map. But then again consule dog piles into one server and complains about lag and queue time you could solve both of those issues by playing non vet/no CP. Go figure.

Sure, people who are learning need some experienced people around them to assist and teach them the ropes but just because there are a lot of experienced players there doesn't make it a 'better classroom'. A child learning to swim does not learn best by being thrown in the deep end of the pool - all it does to most people is scare them off or discourage them.

Best way to improve is to play against better players so actually it does make a better "classroom". New players need a group. Groups need leaders. And good leadership comes from experience. Pugs leading pugs will accomplish little vet or non vet. If those players wanna get discouraged and run to the forum and cry foul, take a number. If they wanna learn, get in discord, load up on siege and jump when crown says get froggy. Otherwise zone out and go back to carebear land.

Alucardo · July 2017

Pre-Orsinium it was a great place for new players to get their feet wet in PVP. You didn't have to worry about upgrading gear, all gear scaled the exact same (ie: green compared to purple), the only set bonuses that affected your stats was percentage based ones like Willow's Path, there were no proc sets or high burst, fights were actually entertaining.. it truly was amazing.
Nowadays non-vet PVP is full of veteran players in lvl 30 agility rings slaughtering people who don't know what they're doing.
Man I miss the old days.

MakoFore · July 2017

Under 50 pvp: formerly blackwater blade
proper noun
- its the place for bad high xp players to make OP crafted golded out builds to punish newer weaker players who have yet to figure out what block is- havent unlocked a heal/vigor. so that those vets can feel good about themselves.
- a place where new players can learn the joys of zergs- stemming from a irrational fear of a virtual death. oft heard messages such as "LFG" show this. similar to the buddy system in kindergarten - where a child cannot go pee without a partner.
- a place where mediocre players can achieve Emperor by bullying new players, then walk around proclaiming themselves former emp in the emperor costume- with noone the wiser that they got it by ganking players who are wearing 1 piece green pact lvl 20 blue, 2 piece red mountain prosperous lvl 15 green, 3 piece elegant white, etc, etc. while they pack on 5 piece julianos, impen, gold - lvl 45, etc, etc.

Iselin · July 2017

I do it because I enjoy leveling alts, because I want to get the Caltrops, Vigor and Warhorn early and because the community there is not nearly as whiny: They're enjoying the real (sorry guys, duels and BGs don't count) ESO PVP for the first time and their enjoyment is infectious.