Dont nerf proc sets too bad @ZoS

ChuckyPayne · July 2017

Before Morrowind I did few times MA (~10). It was fine, every run was much better I saw the changes.
After Morrowind this changed, worse. Every run was a little bit better or worse I don't see the changes as fast as before. I don't do it a BIS weapon in a solo content in an MMO and no real motivation (bad rng).

After next nerf I think I will forget MA. I play this game to relax and charge my battery but this level and this direction does not serve the purpose.

IMO don't nerf pls ... dead horse.

brandonv516 · July 2017

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

so pve will once again bear the brunt of the neverending pvp and whine chorus.

marvelous.

once this nerf goes through, they'll immediately find something else to yap and snap about.

You obviously missed the part where pvpers ask for it to be tied to battle spirit so it doesn't affect you. But I keep forgetting you guys like to whine at us instead of the people actually making the changes.

And you don't understand that these devs can't/wont separate the 2 playstyles in changes.

Does Teleport Strike stun you?
Can I use Blade of Woe on a player?
Is there stealth damage bonus in PvP?
Does Knight Slayer work in PvE?

Oh the play style is similar, but they can most certainly pick and choose which abilities/gear affects players, and which affect NPCs.

Katahdin · July 2017

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

ArchMikem · July 2017

KingJ wrote: »

I PVE and I want them destroyed and never to be used again.I also want anyone who like proc sets to quit the game and never return we don't need your kind here.

Lol settle down there bud, go eat a snickers.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

But really what you are asking is selenes be nerfed... nerf every monster proc to 50% l2p man proc sets are NOT that big a issue outside of BG's. Dont play broken non cp pvp if you want balance stick to CP

LadyDestiny · July 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

This would be a wise solution. The problem is Zos doesn't know how to nerf in pvp but not pve. Always been this way, and always will be. It is the lazy way out of to pacify whiners. I agree proc sets are totally broken. Sad when you see nothing but stamblade, magblade and stamplar in bg's all hitting you with viper, selene, radiant, soul assault over and over. People can't be creative or original anymore because you get your @ss kicked by not using the meta or being copy builds all in the same group.

TequilaFire · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

Shield stack on stamina class, right.
Block and heal 27k plus damage, uh huh.
Avoidance and negates may save your butt.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

Idinuse wrote: »

You know guys, you really need to start playing the game instead of your armor doing it for you.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

Shield stack on stamina class, right.
Block and heal 27k plus damage, uh huh.
Avoidance and negates may save your butt.

Yes i main stam classes and i can sit in them and heal.. get tankier buddy more spell
Resist havnt heard someone complain bout destro ult once after they nerfed the hell out of it...

L2P

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

LadyDestiny wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

This would be a wise solution. The problem is Zos doesn't know how to nerf in pvp but not pve. Always been this way, and always will be. It is the lazy way out of to pacify whiners. I agree proc sets are totally broken. Sad when you see nothing but stamblade, magblade and stamplar in bg's all hitting you with viper, selene, radiant, soul assault over and over. People can't be creative or original anymore because you get your @ss kicked by not using the meta or being copy builds all in the same group.

But thats the thing BG and non CP is the ONLY place where stam blades can get around in pvp.. so many counters for stamblades its not even funny if you dnt bother to use any of em then thats on you..

Mojomonkeyman · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

This would be a wise solution. The problem is Zos doesn't know how to nerf in pvp but not pve. Always been this way, and always will be. It is the lazy way out of to pacify whiners. I agree proc sets are totally broken. Sad when you see nothing but stamblade, magblade and stamplar in bg's all hitting you with viper, selene, radiant, soul assault over and over. People can't be creative or original anymore because you get your @ss kicked by not using the meta or being copy builds all in the same group.

But thats the thing BG and non CP is the ONLY place where stam blades can get around in pvp.. so many counters for stamblades its not even funny if you dnt bother to use any of em then thats on you..

To me it seems you are the only one who needs some serious l2p sessions, I highly doubt your skills can keep the promises your mouth is making. Keep on blocking destro ult, boy, you will get there!

Trying to defend destro ult and procsets both, in a single thread, I have to bookmark your thread to not forget this gem.

Alucardo · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Not a wise solution. This would remove one of the main reasons why The Golden is in Cyrodiil. It also would eliminate the need for PVP players to farm dungeons.

Why go to that extreme? It's completely counter-productive.

Better solutions have been listed. I personally like 50% proc damage reduction when used on enemy players.

This would be a wise solution. The problem is Zos doesn't know how to nerf in pvp but not pve. Always been this way, and always will be. It is the lazy way out of to pacify whiners. I agree proc sets are totally broken. Sad when you see nothing but stamblade, magblade and stamplar in bg's all hitting you with viper, selene, radiant, soul assault over and over. People can't be creative or original anymore because you get your @ss kicked by not using the meta or being copy builds all in the same group.

But thats the thing BG and non CP is the ONLY place where stam blades can get around in pvp.. so many counters for stamblades its not even funny if you dnt bother to use any of em then thats on you..

Dude, I can't move 2 feet without getting ganked by groups of stamblades in Cyrodiil

The place is littered with them. I'm afraid to check my letter box in the morning because I'm scared the mailman will be a Nightblade in disguise

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

You can block the destro ult? Since when?

I thought that was only defendable if you play magicka?

TequilaFire · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

You know guys, you really need to start playing the game instead of your armor doing it for you.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

Shield stack on stamina class, right.
Block and heal 27k plus damage, uh huh.
Avoidance and negates may save your butt.

Yes i main stam classes and i can sit in them and heal.. get tankier buddy more spell
Resist havnt heard someone complain bout destro ult once after they nerfed the hell out of it...

L2P

I call BS.

Ep1kMalware · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Not a proc set guy in pvp but i happen to run proc sets on all of my pve toons because they help with dps and its 2 pieces that give u 2 bonus.

If u nerf them any more than you have i dont see a reason to run monster sets for dps .

Which would limit different play styles even more.

Although we have no idea what the actual changes will be or when they are coming but dont Screw this up by overdoing it

Its been over a year people have complained about procs but in that time i havnt heard ONE GOOD SUGGESTION on how to make them more balanced.

Only descent one i heard is if u are wearing more than one proc and one happens to go off all procs are on a 5 sec cool down that way you cant get hit with more than one proc in 5 seconds.

Any suggestion on how to improve them instead of demanding nerfs with no backup plan?

Btw i hope they don't nerf em only time i have trouble with procs is in non cp bg which is mainly why everybody is crying for nerf

Cp pvp i can take proc damage all day as long as you are in heavy armor or shield stacking in light. If you are in medium u better be dodge rolling so you dont get hit xD .

I have to agree with this guy. Stam is finally getting a solid foothold again, this is a patch where you should be buffing the *** you overindulged on nerfing last patch. More nerfs at this point will just force even more people to leave.

Alucardo · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

So lets all run Msorc and equip destro ult since that will be the only way to kill anyone until they nerf that into the ground too

Still complaining about destro ult?? I literally sit in peoples destro ult and either shield stack for 8 sec or block and heal.. if u cant do either of those this game isnt for you lol

You can block the destro ult? Since when?

I thought that was only defendable if you play magicka?

It's an AOE, so you can't block it. Shield spam until you run out of magicka or mist form out of there. Stam builds can use mobility to try and get away, but if the destro ult was created by a magblade they will just gap close spam you anyway. The only real counter is to try and CC them and get away. If they're using immovable pots then you're on your own.

Ep1kMalware · July 2017

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

They could easily turn off proc sets in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds. Done.

Making changes to battle spirit was an option they could have always taken. I feel like a huge problem isnt the crybabies that mainly pvp (every game has these people, not even a big deal). I think it's how zos reacts to the priblems at hand. Zos keeps making global game changes based on advice from unproductive whine threads and it's screwing everyone over.

PvE is getting screwed because of the constant changes/nerfs that are made (unintelligent changes that are just blunt nerfs with little regard to balance). PvP gets screwed because the crybabies demand fixes that arent needed and the overall *** hole that is cyrodiil goes unfixed.

My solution is this: ignore they cry babies, fix the the game, BUFF the underperforming skills/gear if you're going to make nerf changes.

Ep1kMalware · July 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

so pve will once again bear the brunt of the neverending pvp and whine chorus.

marvelous.

once this nerf goes through, they'll immediately find something else to yap and snap about.

You obviously missed the part where pvpers ask for it to be tied to battle spirit so it doesn't affect you. But I keep forgetting you guys like to whine at us instead of the people actually making the changes.

And you don't understand that these devs can't/wont separate the 2 playstyles in changes.

Fosho. There are definitely some level headed people out there. But again, I think the problem is at zos end. They have these malformed ideas they stick to like it's the cure for cancer. And when enacted in the face of better solutions, we get results that are unfit for the game as a hole. They need to step up or someone else will step in.

Diminish · July 2017

You want a proposed solution? Separate PvE from PvP, and balance accordingly.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

Diminish wrote: »

You want a proposed solution? Separate PvE from PvP, and balance accordingly.

Thats admitting you cant balance a game and to me the game isnt that bad unbalanced.

Stam blades are the only characters that NEED proc sets. Why? Because they are as squishy as can be they cant hang around fighting for more than 5 seconds without having to cloak out and heal.

Just imagine what they would be like without lroc sets.. a dead class and then everybody would be saying buff nightblade

eso_lags · July 2017

@Ihatenightblades what do u think of them "removing" 5 pc procs like viper.. Viper seems to be the main issue. red mtn is only weapon abilies, widowmaker is bad to but only occasional and poisonous serpant is also bad but very few run it. And by remove i mean make viper, if not all, a bigger dot or smaller proc. TBH i wouldnt care if monster proc sets were the only ones. I think the stacking procs is the main issue with anything. If you really wanted to u could stack 3 proc sets by running DW or S/B.

KingJ · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

I PVE and I want them destroyed and never to be used again.I also want anyone who like proc sets to quit the game and never return we don't need your kind here.

Lol settle down there bud, go eat a snickers.

Lol this is actually funny because I was eating a snicker at the time.

techprince · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Not a proc set guy in pvp but i happen to run proc sets on all of my pve toons because they help with dps and its 2 pieces that give u 2 bonus.

If u nerf them any more than you have i dont see a reason to run monster sets for dps .

Which would limit different play styles even more.

Although we have no idea what the actual changes will be or when they are coming but dont Screw this up by overdoing it

Its been over a year people have complained about procs but in that time i havnt heard ONE GOOD SUGGESTION on how to make them more balanced.

Only descent one i heard is if u are wearing more than one proc and one happens to go off all procs are on a 5 sec cool down that way you cant get hit with more than one proc in 5 seconds.

Any suggestion on how to improve them instead of demanding nerfs with no backup plan?

Btw i hope they don't nerf em only time i have trouble with procs is in non cp bg which is mainly why everybody is crying for nerf

Cp pvp i can take proc damage all day as long as you are in heavy armor or shield stacking in light. If you are in medium u better be dodge rolling so you dont get hit xD .

The troll strikes back. Dont you get bored with it?

Rikkof · July 2017

my magsorc approves of inc nerfs to stamina sets
to the ground, baby
Nightblades, clearly u were not prepared XD
axaxaxaxax

acw37162 · July 2017

I'm laughing my ass off. Not just here but several other threads recommending the scaling options as the best options because heavy sets couldn't gain damage by throwing a 5 piece proc set but this does nothing for the already numerous stamina Night Blade crowd.

Why do I get the impression this was dreamed up by a stamina Nightblade.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

techprince wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Not a proc set guy in pvp but i happen to run proc sets on all of my pve toons because they help with dps and its 2 pieces that give u 2 bonus.

If u nerf them any more than you have i dont see a reason to run monster sets for dps .

Which would limit different play styles even more.

Although we have no idea what the actual changes will be or when they are coming but dont Screw this up by overdoing it

Its been over a year people have complained about procs but in that time i havnt heard ONE GOOD SUGGESTION on how to make them more balanced.

Only descent one i heard is if u are wearing more than one proc and one happens to go off all procs are on a 5 sec cool down that way you cant get hit with more than one proc in 5 seconds.

Any suggestion on how to improve them instead of demanding nerfs with no backup plan?

Btw i hope they don't nerf em only time i have trouble with procs is in non cp bg which is mainly why everybody is crying for nerf

Cp pvp i can take proc damage all day as long as you are in heavy armor or shield stacking in light. If you are in medium u better be dodge rolling so you dont get hit xD .

The troll strikes back. Dont you get bored with it?

This was 100% not a troll post

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

@Ihatenightblades what do u think of them "removing" 5 pc procs like viper.. Viper seems to be the main issue. red mtn is only weapon abilies, widowmaker is bad to but only occasional and poisonous serpant is also bad but very few run it. And by remove i mean make viper, if not all, a bigger dot or smaller proc. TBH i wouldnt care if monster proc sets were the only ones. I think the stacking procs is the main issue with anything. If you really wanted to u could stack 3 proc sets by running DW or S/B.

Let them run 3 proc sets they arent gonna sustain for crap which makes then not meta .. i can run 5 alchemist 5 julianos 2 molag kena just because i can kill u with 1 combo doesnt mean it needs nerfing...

JackDaniell · July 2017

Zeni has a habit of overdoing nerfs, or doing a lazy job. I hope they overdo it this time, make everyone get new gear the requires you to know how to play.

MidknightWolf · July 2017

Make a global cooldown that all proc sets share so it is not worth pairing more than one or two proc sets. Also make this communicated in game UI so people dont get confused. NERF NERF NERF