How to improve stam warden dps very easily.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

So ya they lack class passives that help out stam dps but stam warden i feel can be best aoe stam character in game next to stam sorc if not better so heres how you would do it without having to change any numbers in damage.

Make subterranean assault be a ground cast ability like caltrops endless hail etc. you dont have to touch anything else the 3 second delay is fine.

I think its pretty dumb that you literally have to be looking at the way you want them to go when the 3 seconds go off..

PlagueSD · July 2017

I actually like having the 3 seconds to "adjust" my targeting with it. Since it's a straight line, ground targeting would be useless...and an unessesary keypress.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

I actually like having the 3 seconds to "adjust" my targeting with it. Since it's a straight line, ground targeting would be useless...and an unessesary keypress.

Thats cool but you cant spam steel tornado on mobs with sub assault.. it will miss almost ever target everytime .. so ya its dont see why you would actuall want it to be like that but i guess

Haquor · July 2017

I prefer to aim it with the delay and prefer to reposition. I also lile the burst out from my feet in pvp. It jas utility when things move that im closing with.

And stamwarden is the one stam character i dont spam steelnado which i like.

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Heh, anytime I see people using steel tornado, I tell them to scrap it, and look to other skills.

I actually use Shrouded daggers (that bounce = 3 dead mobs.....), Surprise attack, ambush, Leeching strikes (light attack heal anyone?) and camo hunter (passive only) on my DW bar.

FearAndPatching · July 2017

I personally would love to see Subterranean Assualt add a dot to all enemies hit afterward. On my stamward I find the most unpleasant part of the class for PVE is the damage rotation. Having to recast sub assualt every 3 seconds gives little room to do about anything and the rotation just feels like playing a squirrel on too much coffee. The rotation becomes increasingly easy to mess up as well which makes the damage drop severely. Meanwhile I can pull 40k plus parses easily on my MagSorc and stamNB, which in turns makes me wonder why would I play my stamward for endgame over either of those classes. My answer Warden gets played for 3 mins a day for riding training, and once a week for a Maelstrom leaderboard spot for weekly until they make the class function better.

One other idea I just came up with while writing this, what about making Subterranean Assualt work like Crystal Frags and have a chance at an instant proc off of abilities used. Just an idea

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I personally would love to see Subterranean Assualt add a dot to all enemies hit afterward. On my stamward I find the most unpleasant part of the class for PVE is the damage rotation. Having to recast sub assualt every 3 seconds gives little room to do about anything and the rotation just feels like playing a squirrel on too much coffee. The rotation becomes increasingly easy to mess up as well which makes the damage drop severely. Meanwhile I can pull 40k plus parses easily on my MagSorc and stamNB, which in turns makes me wonder why would I play my stamward for endgame over either of those classes. My answer Warden gets played for 3 mins a day for riding training, and once a week for a Maelstrom leaderboard spot for weekly until they make the class function better.

One other idea I just came up with while writing this, what about making Subterranean Assualt work like Crystal Frags and have a chance at an instant proc off of abilities used. Just an idea

I dont know about that idea you would have to focus on ground to see if it instant procd and also you would have to cast it again RIGHT AFTER it insta procs so i wouldnt want that at all.

My suggestion is easy and simple and makes the ability better without touching damage numbers

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Heh, anytime I see people using steel tornado, I tell them to scrap it, and look to other skills.

I actually use Shrouded daggers (that bounce = 3 dead mobs.....), Surprise attack, ambush, Leeching strikes (light attack heal anyone?) and camo hunter (passive only) on my DW bar.

Talkin about trash mobs nobody saying use on boss. Plus you have ambush on your bar in pve?..not to mention you lack tons of aoe with what you said with your rotation so ya. I dont know about that

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Buff warden plz.

So weak I can't kill any1...

FearAndPatching · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

I personally would love to see Subterranean Assualt add a dot to all enemies hit afterward. On my stamward I find the most unpleasant part of the class for PVE is the damage rotation. Having to recast sub assualt every 3 seconds gives little room to do about anything and the rotation just feels like playing a squirrel on too much coffee. The rotation becomes increasingly easy to mess up as well which makes the damage drop severely. Meanwhile I can pull 40k plus parses easily on my MagSorc and stamNB, which in turns makes me wonder why would I play my stamward for endgame over either of those classes. My answer Warden gets played for 3 mins a day for riding training, and once a week for a Maelstrom leaderboard spot for weekly until they make the class function better.

One other idea I just came up with while writing this, what about making Subterranean Assualt work like Crystal Frags and have a chance at an instant proc off of abilities used. Just an idea

I dont know about that idea you would have to focus on ground to see if it instant procd and also you would have to cast it again RIGHT AFTER it insta procs so i wouldnt want that at all.

My suggestion is easy and simple and makes the ability better without touching damage numbers

It would just work like crystal frags pretty much with it has a chance to proc instant cast and that's generally when you would use it.

With your idea I'm just curious you said a ground based aoe like caltraps and such. Does that mean it would go off every 3 seconds over a 12 second duration or just go off once after 3 seconds how it currently is. If your idea is the second and you would still have to reapply every 3 seconds than it really isn't a buff for the class really. Having to cast this ability every 3 seconds will make you it's prisoner in damage rotations. It's one of the reasons why Velicious Curse was changed to Haunting Curse. Velicious Curse used to have to be reapplied every 3.5 seconds now they have Haunting Curse which goes off after 3.5 seconds but has a second explosion after that making it much more functional in rotations

PlagueSD · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Heh, anytime I see people using steel tornado, I tell them to scrap it, and look to other skills.

I actually use Shrouded daggers (that bounce = 3 dead mobs.....), Surprise attack, ambush, Leeching strikes (light attack heal anyone?) and camo hunter (passive only) on my DW bar.

Other than shrouded daggers, none of those are available for Warden. Steel tornado is the only spammable AOE we have access to. With the range Steel tornado has, I don't HAVE to be in the middle of everything.

Izaki · July 2017

People seem to forget that Stamina Templars not only have comparable AoE damage to Sorc but are also almost equally as good in single target. So when you say "as good as stam sorcs" I kinda cringe a bit because its more like "as good as stam sorcs and templars". Just because Templar was lowest DPS during the horrible Rapid Strikes meta, doesn't mean its still crap (its actually quite the opposite). Just sayin'.

Izaki · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Heh, anytime I see people using steel tornado, I tell them to scrap it, and look to other skills.

I actually use Shrouded daggers (that bounce = 3 dead mobs.....), Surprise attack, ambush, Leeching strikes (light attack heal anyone?) and camo hunter (passive only) on my DW bar.

Shrouded daggers lacks single target damage and it lacks AoE damage.

Rapid Strikes is great single target damage (or Surprise Attack, or Dive, or Jabs).

Steel Tornado is the best AoE spammable in the game in terms of damage and range.

Shrouded daggers don't do half of what either of the above can do in their respective environments.

So for trash pulls, put on Steel Tornado, for boss fights put on your single target spammable.

PS: Shrouded daggers is for some reason the new "meta" on stamina sorcs at the moment. I find it pretty terrible as a skill in terms of literally everything and the highest parses I've seen had Rapid Strikes. If you want cleave damage use a 2H. If you want ST damage use DW but don't use a half-assed AoE thing as your spammable in between DoTs and heavy attacks.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

People seem to forget that Stamina Templars not only have comparable AoE damage to Sorc but are also almost equally as good in single target. So when you say "as good as stam sorcs" I kinda cringe a bit because its more like "as good as stam sorcs and templars". Just because Templar was lowest DPS during the horrible Rapid Strikes meta, doesn't mean its still crap (its actually quite the opposite). Just sayin'.

I didnt say stamplar sucked i thinks its it just comes after stam sorc and stam blade for dps. Stam sorc implosion passive is too nice u get crazy ticks on it. Stamplar definitely doesn't have better dps than stam sorc but its still good.

RoyJade · July 2017

Sub assault is one of the best skill stamden have, and one of the most interesting one in the game. I really love the idea of the skill firing in front of me, it just open so many possibilities.

Yes, it don't synergize well with steel tornado. And that's good, tornado already synergize well with sorc's hurricane. Sub assault, on the other hand, synergize extremely well with the only other spammable cone aoe : arrow spray.

Let warden have their particularities, as every other classes. Stamdens need some boost indeed, but it's more as passives (piercing cold really should give back this 6% physical damage increase) or new morphs (fletcheries needs a stam morph).

leepalmer95 · July 2017

I like the aim.

Take the aim away and its useless in pvp.