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Give viper/Selene/tremorscale the BSW treatment
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Hopefully with the upcoming 'changes' to proc sets we will see the nerfing of sets such as viper/Selene/tremorscale. After all it seems to be that ever stamina user in pvp is running at least one of those sets and ZOS did say that BSW was nerfed to give more 'variety'.
So please ZOS, whatever plans you have to deal with proc sets (cooldowns,immunity etc), please also nerf the damage done by them
So please ZOS, whatever plans you have to deal with proc sets (cooldowns,immunity etc), please also nerf the damage done by them
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rather see them buff viper to a dot and remove the argonian style in favor of morag tong since its dropped in a place full of dreughs..2 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah and every magic player is using Valkyn, Grothdarr, and Ilambris. There are only a few actually decent Monster Sets left in the game and they've already been nerfed once by making it so they can't Crit, and guess who that hurt? PvE. Any Nerfs caused by PvP always hurts PvE.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yeah and every magic player is using Valkyn, Grothdarr, and Ilambris. There are only a few actually decent Monster Sets left in the game and they've already been nerfed once by making it so they can't Crit, and guess who that hurt? PvE. Any Nerfs caused by PvP always hurts PvE.
I would like to thank pve players for nerfing BSW and changing sustain cp you know every nerf from pve hurts us pvp playersEdited by FloppyTouch on July 8, 2017 12:00PM19 -
Karm1cOne✭✭✭✭✭Any set that can give damage without condition is bad design. Viper is the worst about this. Guaranteed damage every 4 seconds is ridiculous. Most other prices sets aren't too bad in comparison.3 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would be happy if they didn't nerf the sets except where broken and just make it so you can only wear 1 proc set at a time.Edited by TequilaFire on July 8, 2017 12:12PM3 -
RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah and every magic player is using Valkyn, Grothdarr, and Ilambris. There are only a few actually decent Monster Sets left in the game and they've already been nerfed once by making it so they can't Crit, and guess who that hurt? PvE. Any Nerfs caused by PvP always hurts PvE.
PvE is about sustained dps, pvp about burst. If you want a pvp nerf without a pve nerf, remove the burst and let the same overall damage. In other word for viper for example) : either lower damage on each light attack or all damage in a 4 second dot.1 -
Trashkan✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I would be happy if they didn't nerf the sets except where broken and just make it so you can only wear 1 proc set at a time.
Couldnt agree more i think 1 proc set would bring back the balance to pvp without hurting pve.3 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I would be happy if they didn't nerf the sets except where broken and just make it so you can only wear 1 proc set at a time.
Couldnt agree more i think 1 proc set would bring back the balance to pvp without hurting pve.
Why even that condition?
Add a few words and I'd agree completely. But as is, you and person you replied to are essentially caving in to pve nerf due to pvp.
So change the statement ... 'Just make it so you can only wear 1 prod set at a time IN PVP'
Don't make all pve users change how they use sets because some pvp users dislike the set balance. If pvp only wants 1 set at a time, fair enough. Or if all proc sets do half dmg in pvp, again fair enough.
But continually endorsing the wholesale change to pve due to pvp balance is bad for both. Pvp won't truly get balance they want because ZOS will only throw them half a loaf...which they took from pve. Lose, lose.
Balance pvp completely separate from pve.1 -
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭They just need to scale with max resources and weapon/spell damage better. I have no real problem with a stamblade with 4K weapon damage, huge crit, and massive max stam being able to burst unsuspecting, unprepared, squishy victims. But when a heavy armor, S&B build can shield charge, heavy attack, ransack and bash folks to death thanks to all the procs that can go off, the game is severely broken.
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Whatever changes zos decide to do have already been done (built and tested internally). No amount of forum posting will make them change what they have done before it hits pts.Edited by Biro123 on July 8, 2017 3:03PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So, here's the issue as I see it currently:
Proc sets don't currently scale off of resources, as they function as another method of gaining damage that is independent of resources.
Proc sets not scaling off of resources mean they are a flat damage boost.
Resource sets gain diminishing damage returns the more resources you stack in front (smaller % increase)
Proc sets balanced around low resources + resource set % damage boost lead to overtuned proc sets
Proc sets balanced around high resources + resource set % damage boost lead to undertuned proc sets
Proc sets balanced around middle ground resources + resource sets lead to sets best used with hybrids (and a ***-tonne of calculation prior to figure out where it's best used)
A potential solution would be to have proc sets scaled to be slightly overtuned on high resources (which would require resource based sets in tandem, or damage focus at the expense of armor).
This would require proc sets to no longer have a flat boost, but scale with resources.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't play on no cp, so the only issue I really have with them is stacking. Fighting 2 people wearing 3 proc sets feels like you're fighting 6 people with all that extra free damage they're dishing out.
A single player just using viper gives me no problem, same with Selene. Tremorscale's snare is probably the worst thing about that set.. really needs to be reduced by a lot.
In any case, whatever changes they make I truly hope are tied to Battle Spirit so as to leave PVE out of the equation.2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Rather see them buff viper to a dot and remove the argonian style in favor of morag tong since its dropped in a place full of dreughs..
People wouldn't use it if a DOT. All about the burst damage mixed with other proc cheese and lag. Don't give your opponent the ability to react.0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭Yeah and every magic player is using Valkyn, Grothdarr, and Ilambris. There are only a few actually decent Monster Sets left in the game and they've already been nerfed once by making it so they can't Crit, and guess who that hurt? PvE. Any Nerfs caused by PvP always hurts PvE.
Doesn't matter if it's PvP or PvE, proc sets are a crutch and don't rely at all on player skill. Every nerf to procs is a move in the right direction for PvP and PvE.3 -
Rikkof✭✭✭I agree with all nerfs to stamina users , especially pvers, since most are OP ( especially gankers NB+Viper)
I AM 1500% SURE NERF IS COMING ALONG VERY SOON, This class (nb gank) destroyed pvp0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't play on no cp, so the only issue I really have with them is stacking. Fighting 2 people wearing 3 proc sets feels like you're fighting 6 people with all that extra free damage they're dishing out.
A single player just using viper gives me no problem, same with Selene. Tremorscale's snare is probably the worst thing about that set.. really needs to be reduced by a lot.
In any case, whatever changes they make I truly hope are tied to Battle Spirit so as to leave PVE out of the equation.
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Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Global cooldown for procsets pl0x.
If you're wearing Selene + Viper, if Selene procs, your viper can't proc. If viper procs, selene can't proc and so on. Give it a 7-9s time window or similar.
You can do enough damage with only one procset - but wheny ou can stack multiple, that's when the problem arises.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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BigES✭✭✭✭✭I love that some proc sets are totally useless, and other are vastly overpowered. There is literally zero balance when it comes to proc sets, even compared to themselves, let alone standard gear.
Like Ashen Grip. Totally useless set. Super low damage. Other proc sets have percent changes like 10%.
And then we have Viper which is BOTH full damage AND 100% proc change.
Why can't we just balance sets individually? If something is over performing, tweak it down a bit. Viper has literally seen zero adjustments since it became a cp160 set. Zenimax needs to identify problem proc sets and scale them back a bit, instead of this ridiculous "lets adjust all proc sets at once" nonsense.2 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I would be happy if they didn't nerf the sets except where broken and just make it so you can only wear 1 proc set at a time.
Either 1 proc set only or reduce dmg of the overkill sets to be inline with other proc sets. Or lastly high dmg change to a dot like viper still do same dmg but in like a 3-4sec dot doing like 1500-2000s dmg every sec til it procs again or add a new set called like lingering viper thay does dot vs insta dmg0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Yeah and every magic player is using Valkyn, Grothdarr, and Ilambris. There are only a few actually decent Monster Sets left in the game and they've already been nerfed once by making it so they can't Crit, and guess who that hurt? PvE. Any Nerfs caused by PvP always hurts PvE.
I would like to thank pve players for nerfing BSW and changing sustain cp you know every nerf from pve hurts us pvp players
They nerfed sustain because of all the infinite resource builds running around Cyrodiil, how is that one PvE's fault? PvE is the one hit hardest by that.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Rikkof✭✭✭the same way stamina users asked for nerfs to sorc gear, I want all stamina gear now especially proc set to get nerfed, period.0
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For the love of god don't let them nerf the proc sets that are actually fine, like bahraha's curse, sheer venom, leeching plate, and more of those. I hope they can see which sets form the real problem.1 -
Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They damn well better not screw over proc sets for pve, I don't care if they put in some kind of block for pvp via battle spirit or something, but nerfing proc sets further has a significant chance of making monster helmets totally useless in pve while ironically only being good for pvp. ZoS can nerf pvp all they want through battle spirit, but they need to stop letting it spill over into pve.1 -
Rikkof✭✭✭They damn well better not screw over proc sets for pve, I don't care if they put in some kind of block for pvp via battle spirit or something, but nerfing proc sets further has a significant chance of making monster helmets totally useless in pve while ironically only being good for pvp. ZoS can nerf pvp all they want through battle spirit, but they need to stop letting it spill over into pve.
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Sorc gear was nerfed both for PVE and PVP, so I expect the same for stamina gear! If not, very much players will quit this game, they nerfed Burning spellweave for pve and pvp, ilandris , pet nerfed and so on, so I WANT FULL NERF FOR STAMINA GEAR ALSO AND STAMINA SETS
Lets be equal on ne4rfs, not one class get all nerfs and others like nb gankers get all buffs0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They damn well better not screw over proc sets for pve, I don't care if they put in some kind of block for pvp via battle spirit or something, but nerfing proc sets further has a significant chance of making monster helmets totally useless in pve while ironically only being good for pvp. ZoS can nerf pvp all they want through battle spirit, but they need to stop letting it spill over into pve.
NO
Sorc gear was nerfed both for PVE and PVP, so I expect the same for stamina gear! If not, very much players will quit this game, they nerfed Burning spellweave for pve and pvp, ilandris , pet nerfed and so on, so I WANT FULL NERF FOR STAMINA GEAR ALSO AND STAMINA SETS
Lets be equal on ne4rfs, not one class get all nerfs and others like nb gankers get all buffs
Are you, actually suggesting, as a sorc, that stamina players should get nerfed? In PvE?
God help us2 -
Rikkof✭✭✭They damn well better not screw over proc sets for pve, I don't care if they put in some kind of block for pvp via battle spirit or something, but nerfing proc sets further has a significant chance of making monster helmets totally useless in pve while ironically only being good for pvp. ZoS can nerf pvp all they want through battle spirit, but they need to stop letting it spill over into pve.
NO
Sorc gear was nerfed both for PVE and PVP, so I expect the same for stamina gear! If not, very much players will quit this game, they nerfed Burning spellweave for pve and pvp, ilandris , pet nerfed and so on, so I WANT FULL NERF FOR STAMINA GEAR ALSO AND STAMINA SETS
Lets be equal on ne4rfs, not one class get all nerfs and others like nb gankers get all buffs
Are you, actually suggesting, as a sorc, that stamina players should get nerfed? In PvE?
God help us
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U FORGOT HOW U CRY TO NERF MAGIKA USERS??? BWD, PETS AND SO ON
IS UR TURN NOW0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They damn well better not screw over proc sets for pve, I don't care if they put in some kind of block for pvp via battle spirit or something, but nerfing proc sets further has a significant chance of making monster helmets totally useless in pve while ironically only being good for pvp. ZoS can nerf pvp all they want through battle spirit, but they need to stop letting it spill over into pve.
NO
Sorc gear was nerfed both for PVE and PVP, so I expect the same for stamina gear! If not, very much players will quit this game, they nerfed Burning spellweave for pve and pvp, ilandris , pet nerfed and so on, so I WANT FULL NERF FOR STAMINA GEAR ALSO AND STAMINA SETS
Lets be equal on ne4rfs, not one class get all nerfs and others like nb gankers get all buffs
Are you, actually suggesting, as a sorc, that stamina players should get nerfed? In PvE?
God help us
YES
U FORGOT HOW U CRY TO NERF MAGIKA USERS??? BWD, PETS AND SO ON
IS UR TURN NOW
I play Magicka characters in PvE lol, Magicka Sorc being one of them
I think you need to take a break or something to chill out
I come at this from an objective perspective for the health of balance in the gameEdited by Voxicity on July 9, 2017 11:58AM1 -
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