Balsagna wrote: »

I still don't understand the concept of "zergs" when Cyrodil is supposed to be army vs. army....so isn't a zerg actually functioning as intended?

The game's inability to handle said zergs aside, I have always been confused by the complaints in AvAvA

Reasonable zerging complaints are when a seemingly unnecessary amount of players run over a disproportionately small objective. So like if 3 raids of AD respond to Faregyl turning blue and being claimed by VE and the guild then stands on the wall in a /kissthis loop... that's maybe overkill but not entirely unjustified. But if the lumber mill at Kingscrest gets flipped by two people and Pact sends a guild raid to reclaim it, that's about as cut and dry zerging as you can get.

There's also this interesting dynamic where everyone wants to pretend that they lost because the enemy had more people. We had a classic example a few days ago. VE actually only had I think 15 people in group at Sej with Ash/Ales being the closest blue keep, EP had conservatively twice that number, constant rezzes and bombs etc. We finally wipe them and we have a red whisper us to mock us for stooping to bring "40 blue to wipe out 15 reds" or whatever the hell it was.

There seems to be an interesting effect where people can only see players in enemy factions but can't see the teammates standing next to them. We call this phenomenon, "zerg goggles"

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To answer the poll, yes pvp is pretty fun if you join a decent guild and run with them. The camaraderie and assistance from grouping consistently with the same decent players is a huge part of what makes pvp enjoyable. By playing with the same people, you get a feel for what they can do and you can feel a lot more confident in your play as well. How I play with randoms around, vs guildies is totally different. Guildies will hold ground and support each other... while randoms will abandon you to the hordes the instant they lose any momentum. AKA pugs run away while guilds fight.

If you don't like giant "zerg guilds" you can try some of the smaller guilds. Usually, they can't reasonably take a large objective on the map, but they can kill pugs at a resource all day long.

Overall yes. I look for the types of fights that I enjoy the most but more importantly I don't get bent out of shape when I end up in a fight that is less fun for me. One of the core feature of Cyrodiil for me is that virtually anything can happen at any time from 1v1, to small group, to large group, to 3 way fights, to people adding in etc. That's what makes Cyrodiil fun for me vs something like battle grounds that are basically one dimensional.

On the negative side, ongoing issues such as ques and lag are taking a toll on cyrodiil being fun. We can argue for and against all sorts of design issues such as proc sets etc. but performance and ques are harmful to all

Cyrodiil is what keeps me playing.

I still love PvP. It takes up 80% of my in-game time. I have a decent rig and decent connections and I'm convinced that improivements are being made all the time.

Sure, I DO rant from time to time , but mainly because I'm old and dislike change lol. I'd like there to be a few changes made to PvP (such as being logged into a single alliance during an entire campaign) and I'd like the exploits to be addressed and stopped.

But other than that, I still love it.

So many things about the current state of pvp annoy me, yet I still manage to have fun!

If it was more PvE I would say yes!

I believe you get out of pvp what you put into it, and I have invested a lot of time and money into builds, I enjoy it and I keep doing it, with its ups downs and windfalls.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I believe you get out of pvp what you put into it, and I have invested a lot of time and money into builds, I enjoy it and I keep doing it, with its ups downs and windfalls.

And I think that is why 'casuals' or part time PVP'ers will never really enjoy a lot of PVP. Unless you make the effort to 'git gud' at PVP, you will only ever be mediocre at best.

The day I accepted that I was going to die a lot in PVP and realized that it doesn't matter if I die, was the day I stopped hating it.

I use to but its gotten to point where I just dont anymore.. the lag and the zergs that seems to like to play in it have all become to much. I get much more enjoyment out of BGs but the ap gain is not even close. All in all I've been pvping less since morrowind and I had planned to pvp much more.

I've been playing for a while... and I've still never maxed out my CP, nor have I ever been to cyrodiil

Used to pre-cheat engine, proc suites and all exploiting, now not so much, have not been in pvp for a few months now since my mojo is about gone doubt I will.

Because I dont enjoy being zerged or ganked.