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incap strike vs. soul harvest
Knootewoot
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Both morphs scale of your highest resource pool, so there is no stamina/magicka morph.
But one deals magicka damage and the other poison damage.
On non-CP people have physical protection and spell protection.
Isn't the wisest choice, even for magicka, to pick the poison morph?
If I do a critical strike with soul harvest on non-cp I get around 6-8k damage depending on the target. But I was myself hit with incap strike for 12k (I wear all light though but all impen).
I wanted to test it out but maybe before I reset my morphs somebody else already tried it out.
But one deals magicka damage and the other poison damage.
On non-CP people have physical protection and spell protection.
Isn't the wisest choice, even for magicka, to pick the poison morph?
If I do a critical strike with soul harvest on non-cp I get around 6-8k damage depending on the target. But I was myself hit with incap strike for 12k (I wear all light though but all impen).
I wanted to test it out but maybe before I reset my morphs somebody else already tried it out.
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Incap is superior in non-CP, even on mageblade, if you're not running extra spell pen.
@NightbladeMechanics would likely love to explain all the nuances of why.1 -
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✭✭✭Soul Harvest goes through dodgeroll now (don't ask why) so it's better against stamina builds.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
Dracindo✭✭✭✭✭Incap strike: PvP
Soul harvest: PvE on the main bar as ult generator, so you can use another valuable ult more often on the back bar.3 -
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✭✭✭I prefer Soul Harvest, but that's because I would rather buff my damage, fear then attack with SA, and when they break from CC they're debuffed while you're buffed. With Incap you have to be a little more choosy. I honestly wish they got rid of the stun from Incap, and replace it with something a little more useful for PvE that way it's less of a handicap to use it over Soul Harvest in PvE.1 -
In non-CP Incap seems better. The stun obviously is helpful and even if you're a magblade incap will scale off your max magicka and spell damage. I read somewhere that ultimates scaling off max magicka also use spell penetration (same for stam and physical penetration) but I am not positive about that. In any case, in non-CP the only things that would increase Soul Harvest's damage and not Incap's would be gear that increases magicka damage (e.g. War Maiden). The other thing I like about Incap is that it's stronger against light armor opponents than Soul Harvest. LA has the spell warding passive which means it has higher magic damage resistance than it does physical.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Soul Harvest goes through dodgeroll now (don't ask why) so it's better against stamina builds.
If this is true I might have to revisit Soul Harvest.0 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Incap is also stronger against DKs, Templars and Bretons, (they have passives that increase spell resist) as well as all light armor wearers.
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bubbygink✭✭✭✭✭Comfortably_Buzzed wrote: »I read somewhere that ultimates scaling off max magicka also use spell penetration (same for stam and physical penetration) but I am not positive about that.
This is what I am wondering - as a Magblade will Incap also scale off my spell pen and spell crit? Especially since I am running spinners this is relevant to me. Assuming it can scale off spell pen/crit then I think it is quite clear that Incap is superior in no-CP PvP for Magblades. Otherwise, it seems a bit more debatable - although I'd still probably give the edge to Incap.Edited by bubbygink on July 6, 2017 7:06PM0 -
cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »Incap is also stronger against DKs, Templars and Bretons, (they have passives that increase spell resist) as well as all light armor wearers.
My 5L Breton Templar unbuffed has about 18k spell resist, compared to 9k physical resist
True but it would be weaker against Argonians and Bosmer since they get racial disease resistance.0 -
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✭✭✭Well, so far i enjoy Incap strike better then soul harvest. Looking at my combat log i see much higher numbers damage wise. Keep in mind i play non-CP so i don't know what it's like on CP campaigns.
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
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✭If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
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✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
disagree. landing incap with a heavy weave gives you way more time to apply more damage after the incap lands. using fear then incap makes it diificult to get in more damage after. i would only fear incap on targets who block a lot like magplars or mag dks.PS4 NA DC1 -
ninjaguyman✭✭✭I honestly would have wanted to use soul harvest over incap on my mageblade because the extra ult gen just sounds really good. but in application incap>merciless>impale is a far quicker burst combo, making it easier to land. fear>soul harvest>merciless>impale was always just a tad to long to pull off, and most people broke free and rolled before my impale ever landed. So I used other offensive ultimates like soul tether before. Just swapped to incap this patch and im pretty impressed by it. to bad it wasnt the magicka morph.Characters:
AD breton nb: Shadowshinobi
DC Altmer magicka nb: merc shot0 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
disagree. landing incap with a heavy weave gives you way more time to apply more damage after the incap lands. using fear then incap makes it diificult to get in more damage after. i would only fear incap on targets who block a lot like magplars or mag dks.
Incap can an should be dodged everytime if it is not used after CC. It can be blocked if you can't afford to dodge once every minute.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
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✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
disagree. landing incap with a heavy weave gives you way more time to apply more damage after the incap lands. using fear then incap makes it diificult to get in more damage after. i would only fear incap on targets who block a lot like magplars or mag dks.
Incap can an should be dodged everytime if it is not used after CC. It can be blocked if you can't afford to dodge once every minute.
you cant dodge an animation canceled incap since its instant. you basically have to relie on rng shuffle or roll dodge here and there in hopes the nightblade is going to use it. yes fear is a good way to ensure it lands but its an obvious combo and any good player will just go on the defensive and wait out the debuff to rally.
id rather use the cc from incap to get more follow up burst in straight away. often times even stunning with surprise attack first then using incap while they are still cc immune so i can fear later and apply even more damage.
im not saying fear incap is bad. its just so obvious of a play nowadays, people dont expect the change up. surprise att stuns with the 70% extra heavy att damage while off balanced into incap can delete people.PS4 NA DC3 -
Comfortably_Buzzed wrote: »I read somewhere that ultimates scaling off max magicka also use spell penetration (same for stam and physical penetration) but I am not positive about that.
This is what I am wondering - as a Magblade will Incap also scale off my spell pen and spell crit? Especially since I am running spinners this is relevant to me. Assuming it can scale off spell pen/crit then I think it is quite clear that Incap is superior in no-CP PvP for Magblades. Otherwise, it seems a bit more debatable - although I'd still probably give the edge to Incap.
So I decided to test the Incap and Soul Harvest's damage on a practice dummy with 18K resistances a few days ago. I was wearing 7/7 light. I didn't remove all my champion points but I went through all the trees and the only nodes I saw that would affect one and not the other (besides the penetration ones) were Elemental Expert and the physical/poison/disease equivalent (don't know the name off-hand). I only had points in EE and it was adding 6% extra damage. Incap did 8475. Soul Harvest did 10,144 (10,753 less 6% from EE) which comes out to about 20% more than Incap. Presumably that difference comes from penetration.0 -
Stigant✭✭✭✭Incap = buffed by phys CP, mitigated by phys resist. Because it's disease dmg.
Soul Harvest = buffed by mag CP, mitigated by mag resist. Because it's mag dmg.
Both scale with your higher of max mag+spell dmg/max stam+weapon dmg (because That is how all ults work).
That's why in no-CP mag build can effectively run incap for the CC and don't loose much on damage.Edited by Stigant on July 16, 2017 1:32PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
disagree. landing incap with a heavy weave gives you way more time to apply more damage after the incap lands. using fear then incap makes it diificult to get in more damage after. i would only fear incap on targets who block a lot like magplars or mag dks.
Incap can an should be dodged everytime if it is not used after CC. It can be blocked if you can't afford to dodge once every minute.
you cant dodge an animation canceled incap since its instant. you basically have to relie on rng shuffle or roll dodge here and there in hopes the nightblade is going to use it. yes fear is a good way to ensure it lands but its an obvious combo and any good player will just go on the defensive and wait out the debuff to rally.
id rather use the cc from incap to get more follow up burst in straight away. often times even stunning with surprise attack first then using incap while they are still cc immune so i can fear later and apply even more damage.
im not saying fear incap is bad. its just so obvious of a play nowadays, people dont expect the change up. surprise att stuns with the 70% extra heavy att damage while off balanced into incap can delete people.
Incap still has a very loud and obvious sound before the damage arrives, even when animation canceled.2 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »If your are not fearing into Incap you are doing it wrong.
disagree. landing incap with a heavy weave gives you way more time to apply more damage after the incap lands. using fear then incap makes it diificult to get in more damage after. i would only fear incap on targets who block a lot like magplars or mag dks.
Incap can an should be dodged everytime if it is not used after CC. It can be blocked if you can't afford to dodge once every minute.
you cant dodge an animation canceled incap since its instant. you basically have to relie on rng shuffle or roll dodge here and there in hopes the nightblade is going to use it. yes fear is a good way to ensure it lands but its an obvious combo and any good player will just go on the defensive and wait out the debuff to rally.
id rather use the cc from incap to get more follow up burst in straight away. often times even stunning with surprise attack first then using incap while they are still cc immune so i can fear later and apply even more damage.
im not saying fear incap is bad. its just so obvious of a play nowadays, people dont expect the change up. surprise att stuns with the 70% extra heavy att damage while off balanced into incap can delete people.
I dodge it all the time, even when it's coming from stealth. It has audio que just like snipe. Sometimes even the animation appears to hit but it pops up "dodge".
Ive also had my own dodged despite animation cancelling or using it from stealth.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0
