Can we stop with so many time limited products?

CherryCake · July 2017

I cant understand crown crates, but I dont want to make that the entire focus here...however ON TOP of that, do you really have to make so many new products limited? I mean come on now, even a hairstyle?

So lets start by seeing how many products we have this month, shut behind a limited time:

Naryu's Morag Tong Costume - limited time from July 6 to July 10.

Crown Crafting Motif: Ra Gada Style - limited time from July 20 to July 24.

Nightfall Sabre Cat - limited time from July 6 to July 10.

Adorable Assassin Hairstyle - limited time from July 6 to July 10.

Midyear Mayhem Crowns - limited time from July 27 to July 31. ALTHOUGH! These ones seem to belong to an event, so the limited time is understandable.

Warrior-Poet Tattoos - July 27 to July 31.

Brassy Assassin Personality - limited time from July 6 to July 10.

Source: July Crown Store showcase

There are 6 limited items in one month (not counting mayhem crowns). Thats too much! I cant understand why we cant keep the personality for a while longer, or why even a hairstyle needs to be in the crown store for only a few days. I understand you need to make money, but even after the whole gambling introduction, do we really need this? Am I the only one that hates to see so many new beautiful products under a time limit?

Now dont get me wrong, I KNOW that the reason ZOS does this is so that later on they can add them in some of their crown crates, and the people that missed them, feel like they've got another chance, and then they spend a lot more money until they get the item they want.

But honestly that makes me feel cheated.

Stop going in that direction ZOS, its not nice towards your customers (which I dont think you care about that much to begin with) but even so.

ViscousSummer88 · July 2017

It's been like this forever, i don't see any problem. I actually like that I can buy something and it be somewhat 'limited'.

If you can't buy it right now, there is always.... crown crates.. bahaha.

But on a serious note, this has been a thing for like... forever... waaaaaaaaaay before crown crates were a thing

CherryCake · July 2017

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

It's been like this forever, i don't see any problem. I actually like that I can buy something and it be somewhat 'limited'.

If you can't buy it right now, there is always.... crown crates.. bahaha.

But on a serious note, this has been a thing for like... forever... waaaaaaaaaay before crown crates were a thing

I am aware they`ve always had time limited products, been playing since a long time, but just because its always been like that, it doesnt mean I have to agree with it =/.

Besides it feels like they push more and more limited products at a time than before. Sure we almost always had like 3 but now its 6 in a month...whats next, everything they add monthly to the store will be there only for a limited time? They have super old personalities they could remove from the store to fit a new one, or hairstyles etc. IF that really would be the problem.

klowdy1 · July 2017

Clothing stores make things for a limited time, technological companies make products for a limited time, car companies make vehicles for a limited time. Not good enough? Blade and Soul puts out limited time cosmetics, as well as GW2, rift and SWtOR.

Maybe we should work on not focusing on the little things we can complain about. I mean ffs, if this is the worst thing you come across in this game, consider yourself lucky. Limited time deals, get over it. It is a business model that works very well in all forms of sales.

CherryCake · July 2017

klowdy1 wrote: »

Clothing stores make things for a limited time, technological companies make products for a limited time, car companies make vehicles for a limited time. Not good enough? Blade and Soul puts out limited time cosmetics, as well as GW2, rift and SWtOR.

Maybe we should work on not focusing on the little things we can complain about. I mean ffs, if this is the worst thing you come across in this game, consider yourself lucky. Limited time deals, get over it. It is a business model that works very well in all forms of sales.

Because its not like you as a paying customer can give your opinion UNLESS your opinion and complaints have to do with what eveeeeeryone else complains about, on such a wide-ass forum xD.

Besides you have no right to tell me as another paying customer what I can and cannot complain about. If this is something that bothers me, I would like to discuss it with people that feel the same, AND people that dont feel the same, such as you, but discuss it, not reading comments saying to basically just take it because its not the worst thing thats in the game.

So because you seem to not get it, me complaining about something so little right now (according to your opinion) does not make big complaints any less valid. So please, if youve got nothing constructive to say, move on but relax first =/.

Turelus · July 2017

Yeah I think it's getting a little silly when half the catalogue a month is now limited, however they'll do what they like with their marketing side of things damned be how we feel about it.

Would be nice if we could have only two limited a month and have them run two weeks each, so you know people who get paid at different times can buy them.

Aurie · July 2017

Maybe too many limited time items, but on the other hand....mostly due to the short availability.... it is nice not to see everyone running around in the same kit.

A noticeable thing about ESO is the vast array of looks that characters can and do have. It makes Tamriel a more interesting place.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

No problem with limited timed items, but I don't buy 90 odd percent of them so not a real biggie for me. However, there's no denying things have been cranked up somewhat and it's not too difficult to figure out why. So they can end up in CC's later on. I can fully understand why some aren't happy about it. Never ceases to amaze me how many people can't see things from a different perspective and refuse to accept any reasoning as to why others can take issue with something they themselves have no problem with.

Suppose it's an internet thing. All sense of perspective goes out the window and their opinion is the only valid opinion.

CherryCake · July 2017

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Maybe too many limited time items, but on the other hand....mostly due to the short availability.... it is nice not to see everyone running around in the same kit.

A noticeable thing about ESO is the vast array of looks that characters can and do have. It makes Tamriel a more interesting place.

Yes thats true, but at the same time in the end it still happens

now after the crown crates brought back the breton hero outfit, everyone seems to be wearing it again ^^, thats until the fashion dies out once more! Which will happen over and over! I dont think thats why ZOS is making products for such a limited time... which mind you, I dont have a problem with such limited products, but the time is too limited and they release too many at the same time.

When they had the elk mount, I was on holidays, so that mount is gone for me even though I was constantly asking for it, and it was the one mount I ever wanted...but wait...I could get it with the crown crates again right?... So Id probably have to spend around 70 bucks in order to get a mount Ive always wanted because of Zos' greedy butt ;___; .

lagrue · July 2017

I like the time limited mostly because it keeps the store tidy.

The game Warframe is very good at highlighting why having absolute no time limited items can be annoying - their market isn't a simple store, it's a gosh danged catalogue. And everytime something new comes out, I'm forced to go through like 10 sub menus to get it.

CherryCake · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Yeah I think it's getting a little silly when half the catalogue a month is now limited, however they'll do what they like with their marketing side of things damned be how we feel about it.

Would be nice if we could have only two limited a month and have them run two weeks each, so you know people who get paid at different times can buy them.

Exactly!

Thats my problem, I dont have a problem with limited products, I understand the marketing strategy, but its too much and too soon! Youre not home for 4 days? Well you missed it! If its something you truly truly wanted, you will have to play your luck at crown crates.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Maybe too many limited time items, but on the other hand....mostly due to the short availability.... it is nice not to see everyone running around in the same kit.

A noticeable thing about ESO is the vast array of looks that characters can and do have. It makes Tamriel a more interesting place.

I see this banded about here a lot, yet it rarely matches up to the reality we see in game. Granted when a new product releases every man and his pet budgie have it for the first few days, but that's really no different to anything else, even limited time offers. People usually use their new mount for a few weeks then revert back to something else. Same goes with costumes. A lot of people run around with the costume of the week, then after 2 or so weeks, again, people revert back to what they had on before or the next new shiny item.

You couldn't move 2ft without tripping over the dro m'athra mount when it initially released, yet a month later many had moved on.

MyKillv2.0 · July 2017

They make them limited time to force people to buy them who are on the fence. On top of this, popular items can now can be thrown in crown crates down the road. I fully expect a Morrowind crown crate package next year.

I also fully expect the next ten post to be crown crate snobs, telling us how they are the worst and will never buy them.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2017

I don't see the problem here. Just buy it when it's available if you want to spend crowns. Plus...given the recent history with previous "limited time" only items...all this stuff will cycle it's way back through the crown crates and purchasable through gems.

So even if you miss it now, you can buy it later with crown crate gems. No problem -- you'll have other opportunities to get the same items down the road.

If purchasing crowns is not the issue...then there is no issue with the time. If you're unable to purchase crowns to buy it now, save your money so you can buy crates later. Problem solved.

CherryCake · July 2017

lagrue wrote: »

I like the time limited mostly because it keeps the store tidy.

The game Warframe is very good at highlighting why having absolute no time limited items can be annoying - their market isn't a simple store, it's a gosh danged catalogue. And everytime something new comes out, I'm forced to go through like 10 sub menus to get it.

I agree that would be annoying! But they have many many outdated products that they could remove and add the new ones that are actually what many people want! xD Or as @Turelus said, they could at least keep them for two weeks instead of only a few days you know

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CherryCake · July 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

I don't see the problem here. Just buy it when it's available if you want to spend crowns. Plus...given the recent history with previous "limited time" only items...all this stuff will cycle it's way back through the crown crates and purchasable through gems.

So even if you miss it now, you can buy it later with crown crate gems. No problem -- you'll have other opportunities to get the same items down the road.

If purchasing crowns is not the issue...then there is no issue with the time. If you're unable to purchase crowns to buy it now, save your money so you can buy crates later. Problem solved.

THAT is exactly the problem ^^! First they rush you to buy it, then if you lose it, you are forced to play your luck and gamble for it, which is why they are making so many limited time offers of desired products (by most) because they know that if people wont buy it now, they have to pay way more to purchase it later.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2017

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

THAT is exactly the problem ^^! First they rush you to buy it, then if you lose it, you are forced to play your luck and gamble for it, which is why they are making so many limited time offers of desired products (by most) because they know that if people wont buy it now, they have to pay way more to purchase it later.

Still don't see the problem -- you STILL get other opportunities to buy it. Whether you buy it now (cheap) or buy it later (expensive)...you can still obtain it. The choice is yours as to when you decide to purchase the item.

CherryCake · July 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

THAT is exactly the problem ^^! First they rush you to buy it, then if you lose it, you are forced to play your luck and gamble for it, which is why they are making so many limited time offers of desired products (by most) because they know that if people wont buy it now, they have to pay way more to purchase it later.

Still don't see the problem -- you STILL get other opportunities to buy it. Whether you buy it now (cheap) or buy it later (expensive)...you can still obtain it. The choice is yours as to when you decide to purchase the item.

It IS a problem when you have to pay around 50-100 bucks to get a mount or something else if you missed it because its only been there for a few days ^^. Yes you get the opportunity, but I wouldnt call it an actual opportunity.

Balgost · July 2017

How about some more regular mount choices? As far as the horses go, I very, very rarely see the two elites (or whatever they're called). Not one thing has changed in that section since I returned 6-7 moths ago. I'd like to see a bigger selection of horses to just buy straight up with crowns.

Arundo · July 2017

Agree with OP, like with the super special new mounts ZOS is becoming more and more focused on getting the last penny out of our pockets.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2017

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

THAT is exactly the problem ^^! First they rush you to buy it, then if you lose it, you are forced to play your luck and gamble for it, which is why they are making so many limited time offers of desired products (by most) because they know that if people wont buy it now, they have to pay way more to purchase it later.

Still don't see the problem -- you STILL get other opportunities to buy it. Whether you buy it now (cheap) or buy it later (expensive)...you can still obtain it. The choice is yours as to when you decide to purchase the item.

It IS a problem when you have to pay around 50-100 bucks to get a mount or something else if you missed it because its only been there for a few days ^^. Yes you get the opportunity, but I wouldnt call it an actual opportunity.

Again, I don't see a problem here. You either have the money or you do not to buy it when it's available. How you manage your money to spend on your hobbies/gaming/whatever is up to you ultimately. This is entirely my opinion and strategy -- I save my money to spend on gaming. I have enough funds in my "gaming budget" to take advantage of these opportunities when they appear.

So...no problem here. One must align their priorities and it is not a problem.

Frankly, when I read a post like this, it sounds like all the rest of "whiny" threads that permeate the forums. I get it, people feel the need to complain about the game -- it sure makes them feel good. You're certainly entitled to feel the way you feel. But at the end of the day...do you seriously think that complaining about it is going to change it? Especially based on all you know about the business practices of ZOS?

Elsonso · July 2017

I agree that they went overboard on the Limited Time offerings this month. Unless I am mistaken, this is the first time in 2 years that they have done more limited time stuff than regular offerings. Not a happy milestone.

It would not be so bad if the stuff was above and beyond what they normally put in the store. Something really special. With the exception of the mount and the personality, these are just routine things coming out today.

Magdalina · July 2017

klowdy1 wrote: »

Clothing stores make things for a limited time, technological companies make products for a limited time, car companies make vehicles for a limited time. Not good enough? Blade and Soul puts out limited time cosmetics, as well as GW2, rift and SWtOR.

Maybe we should work on not focusing on the little things we can complain about. I mean ffs, if this is the worst thing you come across in this game, consider yourself lucky. Limited time deals, get over it. It is a business model that works very well in all forms of sales.

This argument makes no sense. RL products cost money/resources to make, however a digital product, once developed, cost the company exactly nothing to sell. Sure there is a development cost but there is one with physical products as well and then there is the production cost on top of it - which digital products simply don't have. ZOS doesn't need to take anything from the crown store in order to work on a new product because keeping the old product in there costs them nothing no matter how many people buy/don't buy it.

That aside, we obviously can't stop with limited time items because how else would we force people to buy Crown Crates? At this point it does seem pretty likely they will make 100% of things in there limited time only and then just re-release them in Crown Crates.

On a side note, this is technically not the worst problem this game has, however it's very indicative of the general company's direction and attitude - which IS the game's worst problem. Quick, fast, cheap cash grab now rather than long standing quality service and customer loyalty.

Universe · July 2017

Nothing is limited time offer except for limited time homes, like Grand Topal Hideaway.
I guess everything will be rolled over to the crown crates eventually, you will be able to buy it with gems or it will be dropped in a crate.
For example, the Heroes costumes were limited time offers, now everyone wears them since they were made available through the Dwarven crown crates.

KeiruNicrom · July 2017

At this point i think they are just trying to see what we are most willing to spend crowns on. Hair, tattoos, personalities, mounts, etc. Put enough out there in a short amount of time and whichever is bought the most is what they focus the most resources on

Elsonso · July 2017

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

At this point i think they are just trying to see what we are most willing to spend crowns on. Hair, tattoos, personalities, mounts, etc. Put enough out there in a short amount of time and whichever is bought the most is what they focus the most resources on

I think they know the answer to that. All of the above.

CherryCake · July 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

THAT is exactly the problem ^^! First they rush you to buy it, then if you lose it, you are forced to play your luck and gamble for it, which is why they are making so many limited time offers of desired products (by most) because they know that if people wont buy it now, they have to pay way more to purchase it later.

Still don't see the problem -- you STILL get other opportunities to buy it. Whether you buy it now (cheap) or buy it later (expensive)...you can still obtain it. The choice is yours as to when you decide to purchase the item.

It IS a problem when you have to pay around 50-100 bucks to get a mount or something else if you missed it because its only been there for a few days ^^. Yes you get the opportunity, but I wouldnt call it an actual opportunity.

Again, I don't see a problem here. You either have the money or you do not to buy it when it's available. How you manage your money to spend on your hobbies/gaming/whatever is up to you ultimately. This is entirely my opinion and strategy -- I save my money to spend on gaming. I have enough funds in my "gaming budget" to take advantage of these opportunities when they appear.

So...no problem here. One must align their priorities and it is not a problem.

Frankly, when I read a post like this, it sounds like all the rest of "whiny" threads that permeate the forums. I get it, people feel the need to complain about the game -- it sure makes them feel good. You're certainly entitled to feel the way you feel. But at the end of the day...do you seriously think that complaining about it is going to change it? Especially based on all you know about the business practices of ZOS?

I dont have a problem affording any of those things, throughout the crown store or the crown crates. I pay eso+ and buy crowns regularly, but just because some people can afford it, it doesnt mean everyone can. And just because those cant afford to pay 30 bucks or more for a digital mount (which is a ridiculous price on its own) it doesnt mean that we should just be like: "Oh too bad, make more money or dont get it". =/

I have my gaming funds as well, but when I have to pay the same amount of money for a mount or a costume which can buy me an entire new game, its very clear that something is extremely flawed with the game I am supporting.

Its not whiny, you simply give your opinion about something that many others are allowed to disagree but they still have to respect your right of giving your opinion, as a paying customer. I dont think that my post is going to change anything, I know there is a 0.01 chance, but staying silent and agreeing with everything they throw on us, is sure as hell not going to change anything ^^.

I know I can even tag @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and ask about their opinion on making limited time products be in the store for at least two weeks and they wont even see this thread or take it into consideration, but its a fools hope after all =/.

ookami007 · July 2017

It's called "artificial scarcity". In real life, things that are scarce are usually worth more - one of a kind paintings, gold, etc. Because digital items are infinite, they create ARTIFICIAL scarcity, which "supposedly" makes it more valuable.

In addition, there is a psychological marketing element to "limited time" that drives more people to buy for fear they will miss out.

It's all mind games. And it's been around forever. It will NEVER go away - mostly, because it works.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2017

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

And just because those cant afford to pay 30 bucks or more for a digital mount (which is a ridiculous price on its own) it doesnt mean that we should just be like: "Oh too bad, make more money or dont get it". =/

Why not? The real world is full of "haves" and "have nots". Why should the virtual world be any different? This make it sound like everyone should get a participation trophy for just showing up.

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I dont think that my post is going to change anything, I know there is a 0.01 chance, but staying silent and agreeing with everything they throw on us, is sure as hell not going to change anything ^^.

Perhaps, but like you said a 0.01 chance. You're better off spending your ESO+/gaming funds on a lottery ticket -- your chances are much better.

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I know I can even tag @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and ask about their opinion on making limited time products be in the store for at least two weeks and they wont even see this thread or take it into consideration, but its a fools hope after all =/.

Good luck with that. I am completely neutral on how long an item is available. If I want a limited time item, I buy it when it's available.

At the end of the day - you either buy it when it's available...or you don't. You get with gems when it comes back around...or you don't. No problem.

supaskrub · July 2017

ookami007 wrote: »

It's called "artificial scarcity". In real life, things that are scarce are usually worth more - one of a kind paintings, gold, etc. Because digital items are infinite, they create ARTIFICIAL scarcity, which "supposedly" makes it more valuable.

In addition, there is a psychological marketing element to "limited time" that drives more people to buy for fear they will miss out.

It's all mind games. And it's been around forever. It will NEVER go away - mostly, because it works.

Exactly, they make it so you feel rushed to buy (almost impulse purchasing), if you don't have the crowns then they know that quite a high number of people will make a rushed purchase to ensure that they snag the item before it leaves the store after a few days, if you have the crowns then the more temptation that they can lay in your path to get you to spend then the quicker you will be returning to the crown store to buy more.

The method behind it I don't have a problem with, after all they are cosmetic items, It's feeding on the "I want " and not the "I need" mentality that drives the market in vanity items and ZOS marketing (and many other commercial businesses) are no dummies when it comes to knowing which buttons to press to get the consumer to spend.

Appleblade · July 2017

I don't care for the limited times from a purely role playing aspect. Example: I like to match each of my character's themes with mounts, pets, dyes, styles, etc. For example, I went all in on ice magic with my warden, and that ice horse mount would be a perfect fit, but, nope, long gone from the store. That just seems stupid, and is now money on the table ZOS is ignoring for an asset that is already in the game.. At least cycle older things around once in a while.

I dunno, maybe I'm one of very few people who tries to carefully accessorize their characters to that level.