Easy and reliable non-pet magsorc build (PvE)

Morgul667 · July 2017

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks. It is indeed required to have one skill per bar but I think ultimate count as well.

Have you considered Spinners instead of netch ? Saw on another post people getting good results with that

Spinner is way overkill if we talk group content

The most resistance there is is 18k (18600 precisely if memory serves).

5k Shapened weapon + 5k Light Armor (last passive) + 5k from Ele Drain/Pierce Armor = 15k.

If there is also Alcosh, you are already fully set. But Spinner? 15k + 4k = 19k and even 18k is, afaik, only vTrials case. Dungeon monsters have less resistance.

Spinner is only good for vMA, where you don't have the luxury of group support. But dungs/trials? Overpenetration. And there is no such thing as negative resistance - once you hit 0, everything else is useless.

With spinners, you do not need sharpen weapon. Can use precise/nirn/infused and charged..

That is what I was wondering. Maybe Nirn or Precise + Spinner is a good combo

Morvane · July 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks for the post im still looking for my non pet build

I found the valkin to be meh
Even nerieneth was better but not good

they give max HP for 1 piece, so they wont be better anyway

Dantaria wrote: »

Update 4/07/2017. I come here long overdue to say that I'm ***

Ancient Knowledge passive only works if you have Destruction Stuff skill equipped. So the moment you unslot Ele Drain from front-bar, AK stops working. And you lose horrendous amount of damage.

Shock Clench must be on your front-bar. The rotation changes a bit, but the logic remains the same, you just work with Haunting on the back-bar.

I changed skill composition and rotation in OP. It's basically:
Back-bar: Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Liquid Lightning, Blockade of Storms, Haunting Curse;
Front bar: Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Mage's Wrath, Ele Drain (in actual combat - Hardened/Empowered Ward or Power Surge), Shock Clench

This works as intended, I checked this. I noticed strange numbers when I went to dungs and trials with old version, but at first thought that I just made mistakes while executing rotation. And when I have been going to skele, I slotted Ele Drain, so it worked "fine" Took me some time to figure things out and properly test stuff

I'm terribly, terribly sorry, this was a dreadful mistake New version works. Again - deepest apologies

just put Destro Ulti on 1st bar and kick out clench
Meteor to ur DoT bar

tt_rs3 · July 2017

I use TBS on my magsorc non pet. Works best from the Sets i tested.
Only every third rotation heavy attacks needed. Rotation 1+2: forcepuls/frags weaves, Rotation 3: two heavy attacks (Weave with skill!) + 1 skill. Haunting Curse recast always after secound explosion.
Also shielding doesnt mess up the whole rotation like it does with the heavy attack build. Its just 1 weave less than.

Im using witchmothers food so health is only at 16.5k but its ok. Completed vmol and other vet trials like this.
Im doing 34-34.5k on the dummy with vma flame backbar and im supporting group dps by throwing frags.
Championpoints all trial optimized (75 thaumaturg, no erosion).

Im pretty happy with the build like this

Morgul667 · July 2017

tt_rs3 wrote: »

I use TBS on my magsorc non pet. Works best from the Sets i tested.
Only every third rotation heavy attacks needed. Rotation 1+2: forcepuls/frags weaves, Rotation 3: two heavy attacks (Weave with skill!) + 1 skill. Haunting Curse recast always after secound explosion.
Also shielding doesnt mess up the whole rotation like it does with the heavy attack build. Its just 1 weave less than.

Im using witchmothers food so health is only at 16.5k but its ok. Completed vmol and other vet trials like this.
Im doing 34-34.5k on the dummy with vma flame backbar and im supporting group dps by throwing frags.
Championpoints all trial optimized (75 thaumaturg, no erosion).

Im pretty happy with the build like this

Have you tried TBS against netch ?

tt_rs3 · July 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

Have you tried TBS against netch ?

No didnt test it. Would have to farm it but i dont think its worth because netch wont buff frags, curse, flame blockade and parts of forcepulse. In a full heavy attack build with shock blockade its good but i dont think it will perform well in my build.
Also TBS is giving me a health bonus which i need because of the witchmothers food.

Dantaria · July 2017

Here I come again

Guys, you're absolutely right about destro ult

However the "new" bar distribution potentionally allows the usage of vMA + vDSA staves combo. You put vMA on backbar - cast Blockade of Storms from it; you put vDSA on frontbar - cast Clench from it. Benefit from both, ultimate profit

Which is why "theoretically" the new skill-distribution is right.

However. I honestly find my old version more intuitive and have no desire to grind for staves

So here is my latest result with old version (destro ult on frontbar), 5 Julianos + 4 Moondancer + 502 CP

Important info about Netch! I farmed it. Gloves, Sash, Boots - golden divines; Breeches - epic infused; Chest - epic reinforced (RNGesus didn't bless me

). With those 5 Netches and 3 Moondancer I couldn't breach 28.5k. With all perfect traits the result... would be roughly the same as 5 Julianos + 4 Moondancer/IA.

So. If you don't have vMA and/or vDSA stave, Netch isn't worth it. 5 Julianos + 4 Moondancer/IA gives approximately the same (if not better) result than 5 Netches + 3 Moondancer/IA. The difference is honestly so in range of human error that grinding doesn't pay off. So as I predicted - you need to grind for Netches/Moondancer/IA staffs too to get truly better results

However 5 Netches + 3 IA/Moondancer definitely beats 5 Julianos + 3 IA/Moondancer. So if you have vMA/vDSA stave(s) - Netch is your best bet.

I will add my older version of skill-distribution and rotation in OP as alternative. Maybe others, like me, would find it easier and if you have no desire to run vMA/vDSA - it's perfectly fine bet