ZOS! Queues are killing the PvP experience

andreasranasen · July 2017

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

CONFIRMED ANOTHER CP CAMPAIGN BEING ADDED: JULY 10th on PC, JULY PATCH FOR CONSOLE

Sigtric · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Re the italicized part. Uhmm.. It was the same with True Flame before the campaing changes. ESO pvpers love to all cram themselves into the same camp.

Haderus was a ghost town except for very narrow windows of prime time.

andreasranasen · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Re the italicized part. Uhmm.. It was the same with True Flame before the campaing changes. ESO pvpers love to all cram themselves into the same camp.

Haderus was a ghost town except for very narrow windows of prime time.

True true! But atleast give us one more cp campaign to balance out the population. It's getting out of hand.

Vizier · July 2017

This...AND the connection instability. LOOOOONG load screens and doggy login connectivity when it's acting up. Killing me man

theflawlessteabagger · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If you know there's gonna be traffic but u wanna arrive at work ( vivec campaign) at a certain time because u can only play for a certain amount of time or whatever, just leave home earlier

Also , gg ZOS

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Re the italicized part. Uhmm.. It was the same with True Flame before the campaing changes. ESO pvpers love to all cram themselves into the same camp.

Haderus was a ghost town except for very narrow windows of prime time.

Wrong for console. Hady was had 9 bars every weekend, and 3-6 bars during most other times.

Dyride · July 2017

Loading screens and disconnects are killing PVP quicker in my book.

FloppyTouch · July 2017

Waiting for the 10 people that play none cp to come in and say this is wat everyone wanted bc no cp is more balance crap.

Tasear · July 2017

I think they should remove holy Trinity from battlegrounds. Do you really need a tank or even a healer?

Azramel · July 2017

Dyride wrote: »

Loading screens and disconnects are killing PVP quicker in my book.

So true. It's bad enough waiting almost an hour to get in Cyrodil. When you finally get in only to get stuck in an infinite load screen and have to restart the game only to find you have to re-queue, it's a giant kick in the nuts.

Magdalina · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

I think they should remove holy Trinity from battlegrounds. Do you really need a tank or even a healer?

Not sure what that's got to do with the topic at hand, but afaik there are no roles in BGs. The roles are all greyed out.

On actual topic, they should either get the guts to remove CP campaigns entirely(if this indeed is how they see the future of PvP in ESO) or add another CP campaign back in. The current situation is just one of their bandaid fixes/compromises which end up making no one happy.

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

Nothing beats a 1hr queue and then on 1st gap closer...loading screen of Wrobels Wrath and disconnected...yay the fun repeats itself.

Marabornwingrion · July 2017

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

andreasranasen · July 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

I hope not. PvP would become a ghost town if they did. No one liked the non CP Campaigns.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

That would be sort of funny. So they completely failed on VR levels and they had to be removed. So then their second try they think they screwed up so bad champion points had to be removed.

grim_tactics · July 2017

theflawlessteabagger wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If you know there's gonna be traffic but u wanna arrive at work ( vivec campaign) at a certain time because u can only play for a certain amount of time or whatever, just leave home earlier

Also , gg ZOS

Not everyone can jump on at 7-8pm to queue and constantly check on it an hour or two later. At the same time, I can't always count on my friends to be able to do that as well so we can play at the same time.

Also, forcing ppl to do that means if you want to PvP with a certain toon and the queue is over an hour - you can't log out and into a different toon to do writs/dailies while you wait. You're locked into the character you're going to PvP with until you're done.

ZOS needs to communicate this direction they're taking the game into. If you're wanting to remove CP - just say so already. If you thought BGs was going to be the go to PvP experience so you reduced open world PvP say so. Obviously a decision was made to cut corners on something and it's not working out and is only punishing the player base.

There are a lot of big games coming out over the next couple months and it would seem a lot of players will be leaving for a time because there is nothing keeping them playing if they have long queues and constant connection issues. It's a joke.

Rickter · July 2017

This:

grim_tactics wrote: »

ZOS needs to communicate this direction they're taking the game into. If you're wanting to remove CP - just say so already. If you thought BGs was going to be the go to PvP experience so you reduced open world PvP say so. Obviously a decision was made to cut corners on something and it's not working out and is only punishing the player base.

There are a lot of big games coming out over the next couple months and it would seem a lot of players will be leaving for a time because there is nothing keeping them playing if they have long queues and constant connection issues. It's a joke.

and I have been preaching it since before patch launch

reiverx · July 2017

The queues are only matched by the lag.

andreasranasen · July 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

theflawlessteabagger wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

No one likes waiting 30min - 1.5h to get into PvP to play with their friends. By the time you can enter PvP you either miss the 60 second countdown to travel into Cyrodiil or you just to the point where you're so bored you go do something else.

We all know how ANNOYING it is when someone put you on hold on the phone for 30-60min. And you HAVE to stay by the phone in case someone picks up... This is the same feeling... It's a total waste of time

Zenimax, please stop forcing this whole non CP thing on players, it doesn't work and it's not what majority of PvP players want. The non CP Campaigns are completely dead. There's 0 build diversity in non CP Campaigns. It's all about burst builds and it's just boring.

By removing all CP Campaigns and leaving just 1 campaign left you've really killed the whole PvP experience by forcing 80% of the PvP population into 1 campaign...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If you know there's gonna be traffic but u wanna arrive at work ( vivec campaign) at a certain time because u can only play for a certain amount of time or whatever, just leave home earlier

Also , gg ZOS

Not everyone can jump on at 7-8pm to queue and constantly check on it an hour or two later. At the same time, I can't always count on my friends to be able to do that as well so we can play at the same time.

Also, forcing ppl to do that means if you want to PvP with a certain toon and the queue is over an hour - you can't log out and into a different toon to do writs/dailies while you wait. You're locked into the character you're going to PvP with until you're done.

ZOS needs to communicate this direction they're taking the game into. If you're wanting to remove CP - just say so already. If you thought BGs was going to be the go to PvP experience so you reduced open world PvP say so. Obviously a decision was made to cut corners on something and it's not working out and is only punishing the player base.

There are a lot of big games coming out over the next couple months and it would seem a lot of players will be leaving for a time because there is nothing keeping them playing if they have long queues and constant connection issues. It's a joke.

This is how a lot of people feel right now

Marabornwingrion · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

I hope not. PvP would become a ghost town if they did. No one liked the non CP Campaigns.

They know that whole CP system is one big joke unbalanced and overpowered, they try to balance it every 3-6 months but it's just fail after fail. They removed veteran ranks in the past, so I think in the future they will also remove Champion Points.
I know that many players will be pissed off but the truth is that CP system is so unbalanced that most of the nerfs we are receiving with every big updates, comes because of it.

Scyantific · July 2017

Enjoy your ghost-town 7day CP campaign guys.

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

207 queue a few days ago, bruh. 187 queue a few days before that. I'm beginning to PvP a lot less nowadays, as I'm not trying to endure that crap. After this past weekend, I refuse to PvP on weekends. Absolutely not.

andreasranasen · July 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

I hope not. PvP would become a ghost town if they did. No one liked the non CP Campaigns.

They know that whole CP system is one big joke unbalanced and overpowered, they try to balance it every 3-6 months but it's just fail after fail. They removed veteran ranks in the past, so I think in the future they will also remove Champion Points.
I know that many players will be pissed off but the truth is that CP system is so unbalanced that most of the nerfs we are receiving with every big updates, comes because of it.

I think CP Campaigns are far more balanced than non cp Campaigns. With CP you can play different roles and different builds without changing your gear entirely. It's much more fun. Non CP Campaigns are extremely slow and that's not the experience everyone wants. We are used to a fast paced game.

Grabmoore · July 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Waiting for the 10 people that play none cp to come in and say this is wat everyone wanted bc no cp is more balance crap.

Here o/

I don't say everybody wants no CP PvP, but it is indeed more fun

Proc builds are actually less of an issue, because you have time to react. The overall damage is lower and the low ping is just awesome. There are no perma blocking immortal tanks and people actually have to use a balanced build with sustain. No, going full burst is no more diverse. Oh, zergs are less common too, so are endless loading screens.

Why do you prefer CP campaigns again?

Vaoh · July 2017

@andreasranasen

Any Dev team that is remotely competant would never let this happen. If it did, they'd fix it in a week maximum.

ZOS will leave it this way for the entire Morrowind patch if we are very lucky. There is even a good chance it will never be fixed based on their track record.

We will get notices that they're including "fixes" in each patch but nothing changes. I look at how broken trials are on console (acknoledged by ZOS a month after Homestead launched thanks to a thread that exploded but is now abandoned and ignored) as well Cyrodiil performance being an absolute top priority (for *years*) as the most visible culprits.

Don't get your hopes up for them to do anything. Maybe they'll surprise us though.... who knows

Scyantific · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think they reduced amount of CP campaigns to prepare people for removing Champion Points from game.

I hope not. PvP would become a ghost town if they did. No one liked the non CP Campaigns.

They know that whole CP system is one big joke unbalanced and overpowered, they try to balance it every 3-6 months but it's just fail after fail. They removed veteran ranks in the past, so I think in the future they will also remove Champion Points.
I know that many players will be pissed off but the truth is that CP system is so unbalanced that most of the nerfs we are receiving with every big updates, comes because of it.

I think CP Campaigns are far more balanced than non cp Campaigns.

Lmfao, if anything CP is even more slow-paced than nCP. I can take my Stamplar or Stamsorc into CP PvP, which is built around sustain to account for maining in no-CP, and I can wreck fools for days without ever running out of resources. All I gotta do is swap out some regen stuff for damage. Not a single proc set beyond Velidreth or Selene (unless you count Ravager as a proc set) needed.

Lets face it, if proc sets weren't as cancerous as they are right now and poisons didn't exist, playing in CP PvP would be extremely boring because of how easy it is to survive in there, and how forgiving mistakes are.

andreasranasen · July 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

@andreasranasen

Any Dev team that is remotely competant would never let this happen. If it did, they'd fix it in a week maximum.

ZOS will leave it this way for the entire Morrowind patch if we are very lucky. There is even a good chance it will never be fixed based on their track record.

We will get notices that they're including "fixes" in each patch but nothing changes. I look at how broken trials are on console (acknoledged by ZOS a month after Homestead launched thanks to a thread that exploded but is now abandoned and ignored) as well Cyrodiil performance being an absolute top priority (for *years*) as the most visible culprits.

Don't get your hopes up for them to do anything. Maybe they'll surprise us though.... who knows

It's crazy how we've heard "We working on Cyro performance" for over three years now O_O

andreasranasen · July 2017

So people are now saying we are getting another CP campaign added called SHAR on all platforms. It was stated in the most recent patch notes from today.

Can someone confirm?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Karivaa · July 2017

I really don't think many people who have played since the game came out are playing anymore. I am ep and most of the guilds I was in are dead. The good pvp players have moved on because of the lag and dc issues. There are a few left who farm other factions but what I am seeing are mainly new players.

Guess this is what Zos wanted.

Scyantific · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

So people are now saying we are getting another CP campaign added called SHAR on all platforms. It was stated in the most recent patch notes from today.

Can someone confirm?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357508/campaign-adjustments-for-the-next-pc-console-incremental-update

Osteos · July 2017

I logged in yesterday at 6pm central time. Right into cyrodiil. No queue.

Its good to be DC!