Why Magicka Templars are not being complained in PVP ?

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

Let's get this straight....This isn't a one shot. Let's learn to count here 1st please.

2nd...Sorc..Spam surge and await frag proc, chuck frag, Wrath and soul assault for the same thing.

3rd...Nightblades can rinse 99% of players using incap+sup+killers blade etc.

Oh wait...I can't find anything for a DK or Warden.

This is nothing new at all and this "build" was mentioned last year, just more people are picking up on it.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Sophieous · July 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

When they would give to Sorcs the same skills with crazy selfheal (like Jabs and RayofGod) then you would complain on Sorc's shield.

Use a skill from Light armor skill line

When they give templars the same crazy base dmg and survivability and mobility and cc as sorcs, then we should complain about nerfing their healing even more.

EDIT

To enlighten you even more

- Templar's healing got already nerfed due to minor mending
- Templar's jesus beam dmg got already nerfed (who the f*ck uses the healing morph in pvp anyway)
- Templar's cc got already nerfed to the ground leaving them with the *** javelin or the ever so buggy toppling charge
- Sorcs, among everthing else, have a pet that heals for more than an actual BOL

And to the OP

You're playing templar in a rly fun but safe way

Not much you can do against a full on dmg clever alchemist stealthed gankplar. And you are using SA lel. Any magicka class can use one of the cheesiest ults in game, not just templars.

Besides, I don't see anyone hitting you or anything so you must be playing with noobs or in low lvl campaign. You are literally standing behind them with no stealth and they're standing like potatoes sieging a wall.

Qbiken · July 2017

@vpy
What´s your opinion about clever alchemist with this build??

Buffler · July 2017

Soul assault lol

Zaldan · July 2017

time to change the definition of "one shot"?

although i guess "four shot" doesn't have the same dramatic affect lol

akredon_ESO · July 2017

Wooo i might go check this build out

most time i use Dark flare or any hard cast ability either the target is dead or the cast time is like 3 days before it goes off xD

cpuScientist · July 2017

What is not shown in these videos is that once he gets seem he's dead. Sure he can pick off a target or 2, but unlike magblade he doesn't have a getaway. So once he's spotted he will get spanked. Remember OP that videos are edited, you go out for a few hours and get several minutes of good content then edit in some snazzy segways, crappy music, and usually some lighting effect that makes it harder to see and viola you get a video like these.

SilverWF · July 2017

Sophieous wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

When they would give to Sorcs the same skills with crazy selfheal (like Jabs and RayofGod) then you would complain on Sorc's shield.

Use a skill from Light armor skill line

When they give templars the same crazy base dmg and survivability and mobility and cc as sorcs, then we should complain about nerfing their healing even more.

EDIT

To enlighten you even more

- Templar's healing got already nerfed due to minor mending
- Templar's jesus beam dmg got already nerfed (who the f*ck uses the healing morph in pvp anyway)
- Templar's cc got already nerfed to the ground leaving them with the *** javelin or the ever so buggy toppling charge
- Sorcs, among everthing else, have a pet that heals for more than an actual BOL

And to the OP

You're playing templar in a rly fun but safe way

Not much you can do against a full on dmg clever alchemist stealthed gankplar. And you are using SA lel. Any magicka class can use one of the cheesiest ults in game, not just templars.

Besides, I don't see anyone hitting you or anything so you must be playing with noobs or in low lvl campaign. You are literally standing behind them with no stealth and they're standing like potatoes sieging a wall.

Enlighten? You wanna enlighten me? LOL!
FYI I have Templar (if u can't read signs), this is true healer argonian Templar, with proper CP allocation etc.
But this is pretty new char, so I need to collect more SPs (wanna make him hireling / writ mule too) and just get him Julianos and Scathing gear with only 1 piece of monster set (Iceheart - for more crit). Without relocation of CP.
You know what? I'm soloing worldbosses on him! That bosses that I can't solo on Sorc (not using pets) with all his "huge" damage and "100k shields".

Lol, enlightener, kek.

Krayzie · July 2017

People complain about everything, and how is that a ONE SHOT build? Seems like 2-4 shot to me knaw sayin

cpuScientist · July 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Sophieous wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

When they would give to Sorcs the same skills with crazy selfheal (like Jabs and RayofGod) then you would complain on Sorc's shield.

Use a skill from Light armor skill line

When they give templars the same crazy base dmg and survivability and mobility and cc as sorcs, then we should complain about nerfing their healing even more.

EDIT

To enlighten you even more

- Templar's healing got already nerfed due to minor mending
- Templar's jesus beam dmg got already nerfed (who the f*ck uses the healing morph in pvp anyway)
- Templar's cc got already nerfed to the ground leaving them with the *** javelin or the ever so buggy toppling charge
- Sorcs, among everthing else, have a pet that heals for more than an actual BOL

And to the OP

You're playing templar in a rly fun but safe way

Not much you can do against a full on dmg clever alchemist stealthed gankplar. And you are using SA lel. Any magicka class can use one of the cheesiest ults in game, not just templars.

Besides, I don't see anyone hitting you or anything so you must be playing with noobs or in low lvl campaign. You are literally standing behind them with no stealth and they're standing like potatoes sieging a wall.

Enlighten? You wanna enlighten me? LOL!
FYI I have Templar (if u can't read signs), this is true healer argonian Templar, with proper CP allocation etc.
But this is pretty new char, so I need to collect more SPs (wanna make him hireling / writ mule too) and just get him Julianos and Scathing gear with only 1 piece of monster set (Iceheart - for more crit). Without relocation of CP.
You know what? I'm soloing worldbosses on him! That bosses that I can't solo on Sorc (not using pets) with all his "huge" damage and "100k shields".

Lol, enlightener, kek.

Then get better at sorc. I mean people solo world bosses on every single class cause they are just not really that hard. Maybe you are just good with templars and suck at sorc, we're you like hard casting g frags or something lol? Heck I solo'd bosses on my new mag warden in level 16 training gear while being level 31. Do I get a cookie too? Chocolate chip preferred!

SilverWF · July 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

Then get better at sorc. I mean people solo world bosses on every single class cause they are just not really that hard. Maybe you are just good with templars and suck at sorc, we're you like hard casting g frags or something lol? Heck I solo'd bosses on my new mag warden in level 16 training gear while being level 31. Do I get a cookie too? Chocolate chip preferred!

All Rift and Coldharbour bosses.

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

All I took away from the video is the stupidity of the stealth mechanics in this game

And thus why ESO will FOREVER fail at having BALANCED PvP. There's a reason why the vast majority of people in Cyrodiil are Nightblades. There's a reason why whenever a "nerf Nightblade thread" pops up, it is swarmed by people who'll defend the class up and down. There's a reason why even @FENGRUSH himself mentioned in a video, how ridiculous it is to be stunned from an attack from stealth. All the while Nightblades of course get boosted from stealth attacks. These things are all relative. Every single thing.

ESO's design doesn't even complement balanced PvP. You have Templars that can insta-heal to full health after being below 10% HP, and without too much effort at all. You have DragonKnights that can CC for days, and can perma-block. You have Nightblades who can insta-gib you a million different ways, and engage and disengage conflicts at will. You have Sorcerers who can shield stack, disengage conflicts at will, convert the stat they don't use for health and a resource, whoop you with pets, etc. And you have Wardens who take everything annoying about Templars, and multiply them by 10. A good Warden is worse than an annoying Templar by far. Did I also mention the Major/Minor crap they get that reduces their damage taken dramatically, and the Betty Netch bs?

Joy_Division · July 2017

BigES wrote: »

The truth is, most people don't know how to build a DPS Magicka Templar. Even after 3 years.

95% of Magicka Templars currently fall into one of the two categories below:

1. Heavy armor survivor with medium damage (typically vampire / mist form RUNvX'er)
2. Healer

The reason is simple. Templar is a great "survivor" and support class. It's easiest to play that way. Actually, when played that way, it might be the easiest class in the game.

Its not as easy to play a high DPS magicka templar. I know, because I never run into any. I've been making DPS templar builds since day 1 of this game, and I can tell you I've literally ran into MAYBE 3-4 magicka templars with noticibly high damage in Cyrodiil. And they almost never main the class.

A lot of truth in this.

Templar DPS (since 1.6) has been good Vs. PvE bosses and target dummies but

is awkward against thinking human opponents
requires more skills than other classes, which is an issue as only 10 are allowed
puts a glass cannon template on a class with no mobility and overnerfed/removed defenses

It's why I like watching videos such as the one in the OP. That sort of gameplay just isn't seen very often.

Fodore · July 2017

worsttankever wrote: »

BigES wrote: »

The truth is, most people don't know how to build a DPS Magicka Templar. Even after 3 years.

Guilty as charged!! Any good builds to share ?

5lich backbar
5 soulshine front bar
2 torugs
2 grothdarr/valkyn

Typical Templar skills (jabs, vampires babe, purifying light)

Dawnbreaker ulti

UppGRAYxDD · July 2017

Is this a "nerf Templar" Thread? Ahhh brings me back...

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Because currently classes are fairly well balanced pvp wise.

Docmandu · July 2017

If this was on PC, you wouldn't hit anything... Miat's

Buffler · July 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Because currently classes are fairly well balanced pvp wise.

What game do you play?

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Buffler wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Because currently classes are fairly well balanced pvp wise.

What game do you play?

Obviously not the same as you. 1v1s. Classes are well balanced.

There are no glaring wonder class, nor a clearly weak one. And although there are stylistic matchups that can turn some fights, for the most part the better player wins.

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

All I took away from the video is the stupidity of the stealth mechanics in this game

And thus why ESO will FOREVER fail at having BALANCED PvP. There's a reason why the vast majority of people in Cyrodiil are Nightblades. There's a reason why whenever a "nerf Nightblade thread" pops up, it is swarmed by people who'll defend the class up and down. There's a reason why even @FENGRUSH himself mentioned in a video, how ridiculous it is to be stunned from an attack from stealth. All the while Nightblades of course get boosted from stealth attacks. These things are all relative. Every single thing.

ESO's design doesn't even complement balanced PvP. You have Templars that can insta-heal to full health after being below 10% HP, and without too much effort at all. You have DragonKnights that can CC for days, and can perma-block. You have Nightblades who can insta-gib you a million different ways, and engage and disengage conflicts at will. You have Sorcerers who can shield stack, disengage conflicts at will, convert the stat they don't use for health and a resource, whoop you with pets, etc. And you have Wardens who take everything annoying about Templars, and multiply them by 10. A good Warden is worse than an annoying Templar by far. Did I also mention the Major/Minor crap they get that reduces their damage taken dramatically, and the Betty Netch bs?

In another words ever class has it's strong feats. And thus, balance was created. Brilliant post Champ.

SilverWF · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

All I took away from the video is the stupidity of the stealth mechanics in this game

And thus why ESO will FOREVER fail at having BALANCED PvP. There's a reason why the vast majority of people in Cyrodiil are Nightblades. There's a reason why whenever a "nerf Nightblade thread" pops up, it is swarmed by people who'll defend the class up and down. There's a reason why even @FENGRUSH himself mentioned in a video, how ridiculous it is to be stunned from an attack from stealth. All the while Nightblades of course get boosted from stealth attacks. These things are all relative. Every single thing.

ESO's design doesn't even complement balanced PvP. You have Templars that can insta-heal to full health after being below 10% HP, and without too much effort at all. You have DragonKnights that can CC for days, and can perma-block. You have Nightblades who can insta-gib you a million different ways, and engage and disengage conflicts at will. You have Sorcerers who can shield stack, disengage conflicts at will, convert the stat they don't use for health and a resource, whoop you with pets, etc. And you have Wardens who take everything annoying about Templars, and multiply them by 10. A good Warden is worse than an annoying Templar by far. Did I also mention the Major/Minor crap they get that reduces their damage taken dramatically, and the Betty Netch bs?

Stop crying - they already remove bonus damage from stealth, what else you need?

Damn, another "Nerf that I don't have" thread ><

Sophieous · July 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Sophieous wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

When they would give to Sorcs the same skills with crazy selfheal (like Jabs and RayofGod) then you would complain on Sorc's shield.

Use a skill from Light armor skill line

When they give templars the same crazy base dmg and survivability and mobility and cc as sorcs, then we should complain about nerfing their healing even more.

EDIT

To enlighten you even more

- Templar's healing got already nerfed due to minor mending
- Templar's jesus beam dmg got already nerfed (who the f*ck uses the healing morph in pvp anyway)
- Templar's cc got already nerfed to the ground leaving them with the *** javelin or the ever so buggy toppling charge
- Sorcs, among everthing else, have a pet that heals for more than an actual BOL

And to the OP

You're playing templar in a rly fun but safe way

Not much you can do against a full on dmg clever alchemist stealthed gankplar. And you are using SA lel. Any magicka class can use one of the cheesiest ults in game, not just templars.

Besides, I don't see anyone hitting you or anything so you must be playing with noobs or in low lvl campaign. You are literally standing behind them with no stealth and they're standing like potatoes sieging a wall.

Enlighten? You wanna enlighten me? LOL!
FYI I have Templar (if u can't read signs), this is true healer argonian Templar, with proper CP allocation etc.
But this is pretty new char, so I need to collect more SPs (wanna make him hireling / writ mule too) and just get him Julianos and Scathing gear with only 1 piece of monster set (Iceheart - for more crit). Without relocation of CP.
You know what? I'm soloing worldbosses on him! That bosses that I can't solo on Sorc (not using pets) with all his "huge" damage and "100k shields".

Lol, enlightener, kek.

Then learn to play sorc better cus you shouldn't be dying to world bosses