Sorcerer vs Warden Healer

Vulture051 · July 2017

Which is more effective as a healer? (and as a DPS which is more enjoyable? Not stronger just fun)

I've tried searching for the answer on my own but you people insist on screwing up Google results by putting your classes in your signatures.

SilverWF · July 2017

None of them.

dpencil1 · July 2017

Warden is a better healer. Magicka Sorc is better dps than Magicka Warden Stam versions are about equal.

IronCrystal · July 2017

I don't see how people's signatures is a problem...I can google most things and find relevant threads/guides on them.

Also, depends on how you define "fun". They are simply different playstyles, you have to choose what's more "fun."

Qyrk · July 2017

As a healer? Sorcerer have 1 class skill as a direct healing skill while the warden have a skill line dedicated to it. Form your conclusion based on that

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

Like has been said, wardens have more class skills for healing. What makes a better healer depends a lot on the player behind the character.

I've been a sorcerer healer forever and done pretty much everything. Attitudes of other players will sometimes get in the way of a sorcerer healer. Like 1% of the time (you'd think 100% of the time according to the forums).

But I like healing and like trying different classes/combinations for it and sorcerer just happens to be my fav because I'm good enough to make it work and I love the insane DPS support I can add (out AOE DPS most DPSs).

I really enjoy warden healing too. They have so much utility and add so much to groups that people don't realise. More pure healer and 'safer' than my DPS sorcerer hybrid.

Betsararie · July 2017

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

AzraelKrieg · July 2017

Of the two? Warden.

zaria · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

An sorc can heal and will get shorter dungeon queues as healer than DD.

Betsararie · July 2017

zaria wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

An sorc can heal and will get shorter dungeon queues as healer than DD.

What's 'an sorc'?

I agree if they queue as a healer it will be faster, however I don't think they will be as good a healer as a Templar. Sorc healers are trash mate comparatively

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

The game needs more healers, more good healers and if that means taking a sorc with a resto staff, then all the more power. Educate this person @Tasear or @Shaiba.

Betsararie · July 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

The game needs more healers, more good healers and if that means taking a sorc with a resto staff, then all the more power. Educate this person @Tasear.

One day you will understand the concept that sorc healers will never be as good as temp healers. One day. Give it time....

Magıc · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

An sorc can heal and will get shorter dungeon queues as healer than DD.

What's 'an sorc'?

I agree if they queue as a healer it will be faster, however I don't think they will be as good a healer as a Templar. Sorc healers are trash mate comparatively

I agree for trial scenarios. For dungeons? Really doesn't matter they're that easy. Only dungeons that are a challenge and RoM and CoS and they're difficult with Magplar healers lol. Half the time I do pledged I just 4 DD or 1 Tank 3 DD it with one of the sorcs just having pet out for the occasional heal in case it's needed.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

The game needs more healers, more good healers and if that means taking a sorc with a resto staff, then all the more power. Educate this person @Tasear or @Shaiba .

One day you will understand the concept that sorc healers will never be as good as temp healers. One day. Give it time....

So here is the deal, there is a difference between good and good enough for all content. Are temps/wardens good healers, yes. Are sorcs good enough to perfectly perform the role in all content in the entire game as a healer, also yes. Maybe you need to understand that.

For the record, my main, as in the toon that I started the game with and have 70+ *in game* days on and have the most fun with and know the most about is an Argonian Templar Healer, so you really need to understand that I know. I know what it takes to heal all content in the game.

ecru · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

Sorc heals work fine. These kinds of posts and this attitude are why people get salty in game before they even see a sorc heal. Someone on the forum said a thing, so it must be true, right? I've even been kicked from a few dungeon groups before the group even started because I was a sorc healer. There is no dungeon a sorc can't heal effectively.

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Sorcs are not healers. If you ask me. Yes you can slot a resto staff and the matriarch, but sorcs don't make good healers. They can function as healers, but it's not what they're made to do.

They're made to do damage. They're the best magicka powerhouse in the game.

Every time I'm grouped with a sorc healer in a pug, I just shrug. I assume they didn't do their homework (like everyone else practically) and hope their heals can keep me alive.

The game needs more healers, more good healers and if that means taking a sorc with a resto staff, then all the more power. Educate this person @Tasear.

One day you will understand the concept that sorc healers will never be as good as temp healers. One day. Give it time....

who cares if they aren't as good

FrostFallFox · July 2017

Lmao what does a Sorc need that templars have to heal 4 man dungeons? Doesn't matter much tbh, when you can just 3 DPS vet HM Cradle if you have a good tank.

Beardimus · July 2017

Sorc healers are very capable if setup properly. I.e. It's not just a DPS slotting a Restro, its a healing build. As the first is what gives Sorc healers a bad name.

Sorc healz also have very strong side DPS. I prefer healing on my Sorc to my Templar, its alot more interesting too.

Betsararie · July 2017

It's not just about beating content some people just want to have what is objectively superior.

So if I wanted to heal I wouldn't waste my time on sorc. My objective is not just to 'beat content' as if that is even difficult, it is to have something that is superior to other things

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Healer Order:

Temp>Warden>DK>Nightblade>Sorc

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Healer Order:

Temp>Warden>DK>Nightblade>Sorc

What are you basing this on? You would out a NB under a dk for healing?

Beardimus · July 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Healer Order:

Temp>Warden>DK>Nightblade>Sorc

LOL, nonsense I'm afraid.

Tryxus · July 2017

This thread has a boring start

Anyways, a Sorc healer can work: have had one healing me through vDSA, so they are possible

However, you'll wanna go Warden as they are much better healers, on the same lvl as a Templar really.

Zer0oo · July 2017

Every mag class can heal everything including vet trials and for dungeons it doesn't really matter. It is just easier for some classes or they have more support utilities to help your grp.

That said, it is a fact that warden and templer are designed to be healers and have better support abilities than sorcs(even after the extrem nerf to shards and repend). I think the basic design of a sorc was as pure dps class therefore they lack support skills. The 2 things sorcs for healing is the twillight pet(can die and is sometimes unwelcome due to mechanics) and the reduced ulti cost.

Sorcs are in this patch doomed to spam heavy attacks as dd, which is extremely boring in my opinion, but still doing good dps.

Mag Warden are in a bad spot single dps wise, aoe dps is actually quite nice. Also half of the warden skills are bugged and extrem slow in animation.

What class is more fun to dps with is hard to say. Just try them both on pts with a max lvl char and decide after that.

Tasear · July 2017

So I can finally speak this! It's so much a different feel playing it live now.

Still leveling my warden, but it's definitely interesting going from one pet healer to the next.

Dungeon wise it's a lot of fun, but definitely takes more position awareness, and timing. The lack of a burst Heal is odd, and nerve racking when people are on your flowers. But definitely adds something other interesting tools to use in trade off.

I having lots of dorky fun using the skills. I am sure my soul is a bosmer so who nature elementals had already had me long. The animation are very smooth those regards, warden wins had down compared to sorrecer and it's dark or glowly colors. Though the the healing skill are harder to use on a warden in pve, but so much fun in PvP.

On to the next skill line!Still leveling but I don't why always loved pets.. maybe it's just the need to care for others. Though so far not as enjoyable. Maybe it's the not sticking around all the time which is sad. Seems like something is wrong with bear. The heavy attack pet feature really messing it's poor AI. It seems to spazz out in fights as it tries to figure what's going on. Which is odd because I am sure clanfeer isn't as bad. What I think is happening is bear movement speed is too slow. @Wrobel it would also be amazing to simply have an off button to pets targeting via heavy attacking.

Lastly winter my favorite sesaon, the frost stuff is a lot of fun. Feels like snowball fight kinda thing. Still getting the hang of this so well comment later on that.

Overall warden feels more passive compared to more offensive sorrecer as healer. I feel like my warden is better at helping allies endure, while sorrecer is more helping you kill better. Though to answer your question sorrecer so far seems far stronger in 4 man dungeons, but some of that is experience surely as I have over 3000 hours with my sorrecer Healer. I need more data to say for trials ... seems hard to say right now If I was to say what wardens are best at is PvP healer battlegrounds. I can't say would even walk into battlegrounds on my sorrecer Healer at the moment. At last I love them both.

~good job zos team

Random tidbits

Minor intellect is easier to give allies on sorrecer than warden.

Warden has best animations

Bear is adorable though buggy

P.S

I have responded to my summoning so I shall advise anyone interested to check out my build page for my sorrecer Healer.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/dark-priestess-pug-proof-sorcerer-healer-build-morrowind-ready#latest

.

Tasear · July 2017

Vulture051 wrote: »

Which is more effective as a healer? (and as a DPS which is more enjoyable? Not stronger just fun)

I've tried searching for the answer on my own but you people insist on screwing up Google results by putting your classes in your signatures.

Check out my signature

Tasear · July 2017

Zer0oo wrote: »

Every mag class can heal everything including vet trials and for dungeons it doesn't really matter. It is just easier for some classes or they have more support utilities to help your grp.

That said, it is a fact that warden and templer are designed to be healers and have better support abilities than sorcs(even after the extrem nerf to shards and repend). I think the basic design of a sorc was as pure dps class therefore they lack support skills. The 2 things sorcs for healing is the twillight pet(can die and is sometimes unwelcome due to mechanics) and the reduced ulti cost.

Sorcs are in this patch doomed to spam heavy attacks as dd, which is extremely boring in my opinion, but still doing good dps.

Mag Warden are in a bad spot single dps wise, aoe dps is actually quite nice. Also half of the warden skills are bugged and extrem slow in animation.

What class is more fun to dps with is hard to say. Just try them both on pts with a max lvl char and decide after that.

I need some coffee.. but I don't drink coffee

Sometimes...I worry I am promoting my own demise as I write these posts. The deadric skill line branches into healing. You could even use dark magic and storm calling for support.

* Easiest access to minor intellect for allies sorrecer have empowered ward

* Root ablitily suitable for Healer who are in the back

* Passive for ult and Magicka reduction

*Passive to excute using shock damage ( best user of elemental blockade as healer)

* Only class to give ally major beseark

*Ability to stun mobs o

*Ability to slow mobs

* Ability to imbolize a mob

* Ability to negate magic

Royaji · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Every mag class can heal everything including vet trials and for dungeons it doesn't really matter. It is just easier for some classes or they have more support utilities to help your grp.

That said, it is a fact that warden and templer are designed to be healers and have better support abilities than sorcs(even after the extrem nerf to shards and repend). I think the basic design of a sorc was as pure dps class therefore they lack support skills. The 2 things sorcs for healing is the twillight pet(can die and is sometimes unwelcome due to mechanics) and the reduced ulti cost.

Sorcs are in this patch doomed to spam heavy attacks as dd, which is extremely boring in my opinion, but still doing good dps.

Mag Warden are in a bad spot single dps wise, aoe dps is actually quite nice. Also half of the warden skills are bugged and extrem slow in animation.

What class is more fun to dps with is hard to say. Just try them both on pts with a max lvl char and decide after that.

I need some coffee.. but I don't drink coffee

Sometimes...I worry I am promoting my own demise as I write these posts. The deadric skill line branches into healing. You could even use dark magic and storm calling for support.

* Easiest access to minor intellect for allies sorrecer have empowered ward

* Root ablitily suitable for Healer who are in the back

* Passive for ult and Magicka reduction

*Passive to excute using shock damage ( best user of elemental blockade as healer)

* Only class to give ally major beseark

*Ability to stun mobs o

*Ability to slow mobs

* Ability to imbolize a mob

* Ability to negate magic

I'll be talking from a DK tank standpoint here and after reading this list of advantages I understand why I prefer having a templar or a warden as my healer.

Minor intellect is not bad but I know quite a bit of DD sorcs who run it instead of hardened. So why bother with a healer running it?

And all the CC stuff... I guess it is useful if you are running with a templar tank or something like that but since DK is the meta tank, there is no need for healer to do any CC. And, oh boy, how much I hate it when people stun mobs. I have enough isssues with scamps running around, stunning every add and giving them CC immunity so I can't chain them.

The passives are not bad but still they are not a game breaker here. Negate is too situational, it is easier to ask a DD to drop a destro ulti on the target who casted the spell to melt them away.

So sorc healer pretty much fits my estimations. They can heal and they can add some DPS to the group while healing. But they are not good for support and buffing groupmates.

Sorc healers are not bad. They just do not fit in most of the meta groups with DK tanks and Sorc DDs.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Healer Order:

Temp>Warden>DK>Nightblade>Sorc

What are you basing this on? You would out a NB under a dk for healing?

A magdk has major mending. Nuff said...

Bryong9ub17_ESO · July 2017

Warden has a healing tree...Sorcerer does not....

Zer0oo · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Every mag class can heal everything including vet trials and for dungeons it doesn't really matter. It is just easier for some classes or they have more support utilities to help your grp.

That said, it is a fact that warden and templer are designed to be healers and have better support abilities than sorcs(even after the extrem nerf to shards and repend). I think the basic design of a sorc was as pure dps class therefore they lack support skills. The 2 things sorcs for healing is the twillight pet(can die and is sometimes unwelcome due to mechanics) and the reduced ulti cost.

Sorcs are in this patch doomed to spam heavy attacks as dd, which is extremely boring in my opinion, but still doing good dps.

Mag Warden are in a bad spot single dps wise, aoe dps is actually quite nice. Also half of the warden skills are bugged and extrem slow in animation.

What class is more fun to dps with is hard to say. Just try them both on pts with a max lvl char and decide after that.

I need some coffee.. but I don't drink coffee

Sometimes...I worry I am promoting my own demise as I write these posts. The deadric skill line branches into healing. You could even use dark magic and storm calling for support.

* Easiest access to minor intellect for allies sorrecer have empowered ward

* Root ablitily suitable for Healer who are in the back

* Passive for ult and Magicka reduction

*Passive to excute using shock damage ( best user of elemental blockade as healer)

* Only class to give ally major beseark

*Ability to stun mobs o

*Ability to slow mobs

* Ability to imbolize a mob

* Ability to negate magic

It seems i have different points of view what a healer should do(mine is mostly trails).

* Easiest access to minor intellect for allies sorrecer have empowered ward

it is a nice buff but sorc dds also like to use it and it only give the buff as longs as you have the shield(max 10 sec, but realistically ~2 sec)

* Root ablitily suitable for Healer who are in the back

*Ability to stun mobs o

*Ability to slow mobs

* Ability to imbolize a mob

* Ability to negate magic

not really the job of the healer(tanks usually do that if needed) and not sure if needed at all

*Passive to excute using shock damage ( best user of elemental blockade as healer)

actually never thought about that but i doubt that it really adds alot of dps

* Only class to give ally major beseark

It only works if you use the atro as ulti instead of war horn. War horn give a buff to all grp members and atro only give it to one grp member after using a synergy(all synergies are alittle buggy in this game and hard to get)

* Passive for ult and Magicka reduction

Yep that is a good passive for a healer, but all other classes have something similar

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Healer Order:

Temp>Warden>DK>Nightblade>Sorc

What are you basing this on? You would out a NB under a dk for healing?

A magdk has major mending. Nuff said...

major mending that last for three seconds, hardly game changing and every class can heavy attack withthe resto for that buff. no class can keep major mending 100% of the time and this is on purpose.

NB healers, good NB healers kill as much as they heal, that is something that a dk healer doesn't do. dk are more about preventing damage, what with the ulti that gives you team a shield, the stun with a heal from Obsidian Shard, and of course, igneous shields.

ever since they gutted temp by removing shards unique stam return and removing the group stam return from repentance, every class bring something to healing, whether you think that something worth something is your decision.

Thank you @Tasear for that great write up, you are a great sorc healer and i hope to play with you healing on your warden too.