Doubling the Resource Cost hurt my already struggling MagPlar

ArchMikem · July 2017

Build info;

5pc Julianos, 2pc Grothdarr, 3pc Ancient's Grace

Since every ability's cost seems to have been at least doubled, the strain on resources for my already struggling MagPlar worsened, forcing me to change my Mundus to the Atronach and put a Regen Glyph on the necklace just to get it up to 1300. I don't know why it said 1233 when I took that image, cause afterward it went a bit higher without any buffs active so I don't know. The main issue being my MagPlar was already starving for Spell Damage as is, but sacrificing a damage glyph for more endurance put my unbuffed number at 1900 with a gold staff, and without the Thief mundus, not even at 50% crit. Even with Major Sorcery up the only thing my Templar has going for it is it's 40k Magic.

Basically all she's really good for now is Healing. I don't know what to do with this character anymore. My only other untested option is replacing my Jewelry and Monster set with a 5pc of Burning Spell Weave which is sitting in my bank, all I need is the necklace of that, then maybe I could be more of a DPS again, but then I'm losing my 4% extra max magic.

Qbiken · July 2017

The setup I use on my magplar:

5 Julianos: 2 Swords (Yes I go dualwield after Morrowind sustain nerfs) + 3 Body
5 Moondancer: 3 Jewels (all spell damage glyphs) + 2 Body
Valkyn/Grothdarr
Maelstrom shock or flame staff on backbar (If I´m in a group with a magdk I go with flame staff otherwise I use shockstaff)

Reason I use moondancer is to proc the lunar blessing when I´m low on magicka and hope that I get the shadow blessing when I´m good with magicka. WIth the regen proc I sit at 1833 magicka regen for 30 seconds. And when I get the other buff that gives spelldamage I can reacn 3,8k spelldamage fully buffed in a 4 man raid.

If you can get your hands on those moondancer pieces, it´s really good.

Asardes · July 2017

Why use Ancient Grace and not Willpower or one of the trial sets with minor slayer on 3rd piece? Also you can swap Grothdarr with Skoria (adds health from 1p) and go wit Whichmother's Brew for more recovery. Using non-set staves also lowers your stats. You can craft Julianos staves and use 4/5 pieces jewelry + 1 body. Or you can run a 5p set front and another back, with staves from each one. If you have problems with recovery you can go Lich jewels, body piece and backbar staff (there are named sharp inferno and lightning ones from that set so easy to farm).

DeHei · July 2017

Where is the problem. I played in PvE with 800 reg and its enough. Most reg you get with heavy attacks. Only in PvP i need more reg and stay on arround 1300 reg. Its really not much in PvP, when i look to other builds, but i can play it

The time is over to spam skills with never ending... Much Magicka you get back with killing enemies by Destructionstaff

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Pvp or pve?

You have 0 sustain sets on so yeah in pvp your gonna struggle?

Asardes · July 2017

Looking at the char sheet it's clearly PvE since it has 0 critical resistance. Which is odd since Ancient Grace is a PvP set, and TBH a really weak one. Willpower outclasses it by miles even in PvP.

AcadianPaladin · July 2017

I play a magplar and do pretty well as far as sustain.

Here is what she has going for her: EleDrain, Channeled Focus, Seducers Armor set, 64 points magicka, 1800 regen, blue health & magicka food.

Here is what she has going against her: Bosmer race, dps limited by her role as a healer.

That said, she can solo all quests, delves, public dungeons, dolmens, quite a few world bosses. The only time her sustain causes her a challenge is when stuck up close sweeping a world boss for a long fight. Then she sometimes either pops a potion or has to carefully work in a few heavy attacks. When she's standing back more as a healer, it is easy enough to work in a very regenerative resto heavy attack into her rotation as needed.

ArchMikem · July 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Why use Ancient Grace and not Willpower or one of the trial sets with minor slayer on 3rd piece?

I play Khajiit. When others get their max magic bonus through racial passives I have to find it through something else plus a maxed Undaunted Mettle just to reach 40k.

Using non-set staves also lowers your stats. You can craft Julianos staves and use 4/5 pieces jewelry + 1 body.

I am using a set staff.

Asardes wrote: »

Willpower outclasses it by miles even in PvP.

You actually had me go into a calculator and find out what 4% of my base max magic was and I can't believe how stupid it and I am. It's the same amount as how much 2pc Willpower gives. God this game is frustrating at times, I hate numbers.

hedna123b14_ESO · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Build info;

5pc Julianos, 2pc Grothdarr, 3pc Ancient's Grace

Since every ability's cost seems to have been at least doubled, the strain on resources for my already struggling MagPlar worsened, forcing me to change my Mundus to the Atronach and put a Regen Glyph on the necklace just to get it up to 1300. I don't know why it said 1233 when I took that image, cause afterward it went a bit higher without any buffs active so I don't know. The main issue being my MagPlar was already starving for Spell Damage as is, but sacrificing a damage glyph for more endurance put my unbuffed number at 1900 with a gold staff, and without the Thief mundus, not even at 50% crit. Even with Major Sorcery up the only thing my Templar has going for it is it's 40k Magic.

Basically all she's really good for now is Healing. I don't know what to do with this character anymore. My only other untested option is replacing my Jewelry and Monster set with a 5pc of Burning Spell Weave which is sitting in my bank, all I need is the necklace of that, then maybe I could be more of a DPS again, but then I'm losing my 4% extra max magic.

if you are running any regen enchant or atteo mundus on a magplar you are gimping yourself. the sustain on a magplar with channelex focus and moondancer is unlimited...

ArchMikem · July 2017

When i respec back to damage and crit, my regen goes to 700, and channeled focus restores 240 magic a second. How is that good sustain?

And no, moondancer isnt an option, i never do Trials.

Baconlad · July 2017

Use witchmothers food. You stats are already higher than most magplars. Also. You shouldnt need more than 1300 mag regen. I ran for awhile with 750 during morrowind and used the new equilibrium. Not good to use for duels though

cpuScientist · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

When i respec back to damage and crit, my regen goes to 700, and channeled focus restores 240 magic a second. How is that good sustain?

And no, moondancer isnt an option, i never do Trials.

So what are you building for? VMA? Questing? 4 man's?

bebynnag · July 2017

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Magdalina · July 2017

Are you using Channeled Focus? Admittedly I haven't been doing much challenging content since Morrowind but the little that I did, my magplar sure seemed to have way better sustain than my sorc purely due to Channeled Focus. I could even get by without using Witchmother's Brew on her.

Joy_Division · July 2017

As others have said, the main issue here is not your stats but the (in)efficiency in which you manage the resources you do have.

I play the "wrong" race as a magplay (Nord) so my stats will never be as good as the majority of my competitors, but raw stats are not nearly as important game mechanics and understanding what is efficient gameplay and what is not.

Your stats are fine; I can take that build into Vet Maelstrom arena right now, with all the Morrorwind nerfs, and get Flawless Conqueror if I don't run into RNG deaths. Though I probably would switch Grace of the Ancients for Willpower, the Grothdar for Valkyn Skoria, and use the WitchMother Brew food (Skoria has a health bonus which makes for the health you'd lose running Brew) so I could use the thief Mundas. But my adjustments are just tweaks; the overall difference in power and potential would not be that great.

No matter what you do this patch, it's pretty much a given that you jut have to spend time heavy attacking to maintain your resources. The key to completing difficult content is to find a downtime in the action to execute those heavy attacks. The key to having a good DPS is to ensure your heavy attacks are part of a rotation rather than just randomly used when low on resources.

Using a destruction staff with elemental drain has alway been good and helps. As does using Channeled focus.

WuffyCerulei · July 2017

I can sustain fine with one cost reduction glyph AND Channeled Focus. Also an Argonian, so resource management is no biggy.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

It is better to go full damage sets and use the max health/regen food, you get 467 regen and 5k health. Your max mgic will go down to 36kish but that is more then enough, you will do fine damage with that.

Also I hate when people suggest willpower to people, use a good four piece, like martial knowledge or something like that, you will get more damage then if you used will power plus none set staffs. The only reason to use will power is if you have a vMA or master staff, and that is seems to be off the table for you.

ajaxtheboss · July 2017

I had the same issue with Magplar sustain, I feel like as a dps they are way to reliant on other classes to even maintain constant dps.

I run 5 Juli/5 MD/2 Grothdarr (3x Spell dmg)

I have tried it all, Magicka drain poisons, Channel focus, Elemental drain, ect. It's just so much work just to maintain magicka, and I hate how heavy staff attacks just aren't fluid. (lose so much dps on bosses)

To make the most of a Magplar and not have abysmal damage, you need a dedicated healer throwing you shards/orbs and running Elemental drain while you also run Poisons and Channel focus.

Sorry this is sort of a ramble but with Morrowind you need all of the above or heavy attacks to sustain. (personally dropping my templar for vMA/4 - Man content where I am not guaranteed orbs/ele drain)

edit: my old post on this for additional input, had the same question a week or so ago. Best of luck, I love my mTemp but he is just not up to par anymore.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4276843#Comment_4276843

Asardes · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Why use Ancient Grace and not Willpower or one of the trial sets with minor slayer on 3rd piece?

I play Khajiit. When others get their max magic bonus through racial passives I have to find it through something else plus a maxed Undaunted Mettle just to reach 40k.

Using non-set staves also lowers your stats. You can craft Julianos staves and use 4/5 pieces jewelry + 1 body.

I am using a set staff.

Asardes wrote: »

Willpower outclasses it by miles even in PvP.

You actually had me go into a calculator and find out what 4% of my base max magic was and I can't believe how stupid it and I am. It's the same amount as how much 2pc Willpower gives. God this game is frustrating at times, I hate numbers.

Willpower gives you both maximum magicka and spell damage. Your damage is calculated based on both. The actual proportion used for most skills is 1 spell damage = 10.5 maximum magicka. So even if your racial passives put you to a disadvantage regarding the latter, you can invest in the former to make up for it. As for your gear you only listed 10 items so I assumed you are using either non-set staves or Master/Maelstrom ones. Indeed you can use 4/5 from another set to stack more maximum magicka or spell damage or critical (ex. overwhelming surge or martial knowledge).

You also gave no info about the content you are running. Normal trials are quite easy to complete even with zone chat PuG, not much harder than a nonDLC vet dungeon. Moondancer is good, but only with adequate support, and it's only optimal in trials where you have plenty of synergies from different skills.

If your recovery is > 1K, you are running focus and receiving adequate support from magicka steal and orbs you should have no problems with sustain whatsoever. Your rotation also matters, for example if you are refreshing DoTs too soon or not weaving LA in between skills. Another option is to put magicka drain poison on your front bar and proc that to add more recovery. The loss compared to your weapon enchant is small. I run 1.7K recovery on healer and I do vet trials with no sustain issues and healer job is more demanding than DD since you need to sustain yourself and also the others. Before Morrowind I was fine with 1.3K and Thief mundus so I only swapped that for atronach this patch as critical chance is not that important on healer.