Detect pot bug and cloak

eso_lags · July 2017

Detect pots need a buff or something. Proc blades are an absolute nightmare right now, especially in no cp and especially in groups. You go to kill a NB and they just run away with cloak when they're about to die, and detect pots are the only way to pull them out of stealth. The problem is even when they are pulled out of stealth with a detect pot they keep cloaking, yes i can see them, but i cant hit them. This makes detect pots useless, and even with aoes sometimes it wont hit them. Gap closers will work but usually i cant gap close someone to death. This needs to be addressed. If a night blade is pulled out of stealth you should be able to hit them even if they are cloak spamming still.

Also, IMHO, cloak needs a nerf. Id like to see it removed from the game but im sure every night blade does not agree. But its broken. I cant think of another game where you can go invisible for an indefinate amount of time. Even my stam blade can cloak 8 times and then crouch. Regardless, if you cloak had an increase on cost on every use like streak does this would solve the issue of cloak being broken. Streak is a strong get away ability and before the nerf it would let you run forever, this is what cloak is. A cost increase after every use seems fitting. I play nightblade, it was my main for a long time, and i can see cloak needs to be looked at.

Edit: Is anyone else having this issue with detect pots? is it just eso xbox lag? or is this how its supposed to be?

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

Also, IMHO, cloak needs a nerf.

Lmao. Cloak has been nerfed. You have no idea the kind of power nightblade's used to have. I would suggest using Mage Light / Expert Hunter or Revealing flare. Doing so prevents the nightblade from cloaking at all for 3 seconds. Also you should be able to target a nightblade regardless if you have a detection potion active.

eso_lags · July 2017

@GreenSoup2HoT Thats not happening, if they are still spamming cloak every dizz swing will miss, only gap closers and aoes seem to work (usually). Executioner etc. Im sure thats not how its supposed to be. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Can you confirm if this is a bug or not?

And dont assume that i dont know about nightblades. Nightblade was my main for pretty much the first year i played this game. Just because it doesn't remove effects from you doesn't mean its not a broken skill. Regardless why does streak have an increase cost if you spam it? Both are abilities to get away. And streak will even deal damage and stun. It needs to have the same cost increase. Plus even when detected nbs just run and roll til they can cloak out and proc you again. Nearly unlimited invis is broken. Especially when you cant hit them with most of your abilities like i said above.

geonsocal · July 2017

I remember my uncle had this dog once that was great at detecting pot...

eso_lags · July 2017

lmfao

geonsocal · July 2017

i wonder how many folks keep notes reference eso...

I notice weird crap happening all the time, but, barely take notice...maybe if I took notes or recorded more stuff...

seems more enjoyable to just play...

interesting though that you're unable to damage a player once they're out if stealth...

usually I just spam aoe attacks in the general area I figure they're out...seems like they take damage even though they're in stealth or trying to cloak away...

not really sure though - maybe I should keep notes...

eso_lags · July 2017

@geonsocal you know i was thinking the same exact thing today. There are a lot of small odd things that happen to me daily that i just over look. Most i end up forgetting about, and this one i can say has been happening for months but just recently i decided to post about it. I have to stop doing that.

A few that come to mind are; lore books being hidden under things like boxes or the ground, cyrodil npcs at certain places being hidden under things like the dock at vlasterus, infallible aether not being able to be purged off of you. There are many more, a lot of things i dont post about because some might not be bugs and some dont seem important and then i end up forgetting about.. But this one with the detect pots is sooo annoying. Especially now with proc blades hitting so hard, cloaking out, and trying again.

eso_lags · July 2017

Oh another few are guild traders not showing up in certain instances on xbox, your guild saying you dont own a trader when you do, and deposits glitching in the bank so that you dont end up depositing in your guild bank for the weekly fee. The bank one is real annoying for a lot of people, where does the gold go? who knows.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2017

I guess it is a L2P issue or you just fight against very good and experienced players. There are way too many things that counter stealth (for a NB stealth is literality the only thing that keeps them alive, they don't have dmg shield, burst healing or extremely well mobility).
- Expert Hunter: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Expert+Hunter
- Magelight: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Magelight
- Revealing Flare: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Revealing+Flare

Those are all skills that counter stealth that are available for all classes. And if this is not enough you can always use something that deals dot dmg (dmg over time - for example you can use some poisons) - as it will also pull players out of stealth (it will even interrupt nb's cloak). Any DMG will break stealth so technically you can even use some AOE like Caltrops... And if this is not enough... you can always go to stealth yourself....

Keep in mind this: 25% dmg bonus from stealth was removed and NB and all its skills were nerfed several (if not more) times. Cloak in particular. (NB is considered the worst class in ESO - especially stamina based). With all tools out there that can easily counter NB "core" survivability asking for more nerfs is just ridiculous.

btw. Imagine for a second that there are commonly available skills in ESO that can un-summon Sorcerer's pets, remove Templar healing or DK buffs.... It would be an equivalent of anti - stealth mechanics I mentioned above that could be equally painful...

Ferrofluid · July 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I guess it is a L2P issue or you just fight against very good and experienced players.

Pretty sure the issue is that detect pots are bugged and don't let you hit the player you've detected if they spam cloak. I mean, that's what was bolded in the original post...

Also, except for bugs, dots don't break cloak. Nightblades are insanely strong right now, what with the sustain changes meaning procs are king and their burst damage killing you before you can hit back.

As for sorc pets, they're pretty squishy. You just kill them and then interrupt the caster so he can't resummon.

Templars can be defiled to reduce their healing.

DKs seem to mainly be potatoes these days. You can often just ignore them.

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

Detect pot+scorching flare+any 2 skill combo = a dead Nightblade.

Sharee · July 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Detect pot+scorching flare+any 2 skill combo = a dead Nightblade.

Dude a scorched stam NB just rolls, dodging your 2-skill combo, gets major expedition from it while leaving a root trap behind, sprints behind the nearest rock/tree faster than you can blink, and cloaks after 3 seconds.

eso_lags · July 2017

@DRXHarbinger that might be true, but on my stam sorc the only thing that pulls them out is detect pots and they are not working... Im just wondering if anyone else that uses detect pots has this issue.. I guess not a lot of people are using them, but im on xbox to, could be an xbox issue. Also, i run hurricane and quick cloak, QC works sometimes but not usually.

eso_lags · July 2017

@DRXHarbinger and are you using AOES? or like dizzying swing / executioner. Because i know those 2 skills wont work. Some DW skills as well. For some reason if the nightblade keeps cloaking, even though i can see them, they dodge everything. Ill post a video. Also they glitch every few feet, stop, and repeat. Its weird, i deff gotta take a video.

brandonv516 · July 2017

Yes let's nerf a skill that only works half the time. Great idea.

People always got something to whine about.

ChandraNalaar · July 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I guess it is a L2P issue or you just fight against very good and experienced players. There are way too many things that counter stealth (for a NB stealth is literality the only thing that keeps them alive, they don't have dmg shield, burst healing or extremely well mobility).
- Expert Hunter: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Expert+Hunter
- Magelight: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Magelight
- Revealing Flare: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Revealing+Flare

Those are all skills that counter stealth that are available for all classes. And if this is not enough you can always use something that deals dot dmg (dmg over time - for example you can use some poisons) - as it will also pull players out of stealth (it will even interrupt nb's cloak). Any DMG will break stealth so technically you can even use some AOE like Caltrops... And if this is not enough... you can always go to stealth yourself....

Keep in mind this: 25% dmg bonus from stealth was removed and NB and all its skills were nerfed several (if not more) times. Cloak in particular. (NB is considered the worst class in ESO - especially stamina based). With all tools out there that can easily counter NB "core" survivability asking for more nerfs is just ridiculous.

btw. Imagine for a second that there are commonly available skills in ESO that can un-summon Sorcerer's pets, remove Templar healing or DK buffs.... It would be an equivalent of anti - stealth mechanics I mentioned above that could be equally painful...

This^^ There are so many different ways to counter nightblades that I would call this L2P.

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

L2P

eso_lags · July 2017

@Tommy_The_Gun This is so wrong i dont even know where to begin. Nightblade is the worst class in eso? what are we talking pve or pvp? because in pvp nightblades are sitting pretty high up. Yes a lot are good players, know why? Because a lot of the good players that wanna solo pvp are on nightblades because its easy mode, but also very good for solo pvp since you can burst out of stealth and then get away if you need to. But even the really bad nbs just keep cloaking til the detect pot runs out and then go and hide.. Regardless, The first part of my post was a question, the second part my opinion.

The question: Is this normal... detect pots pulling NBs out of cloak but when they keep cloaking (even though you can see them) you cant hit them with single target abilities besides gap closers.... And detect pots arent cheap, they should at least do what they say, and if the NB wants to keep trying to cloak then it should be their issue, not mine. But also if they dont work how i thought they did then its fine, Im just asking so i can go about it differently. Might be because people are getting more experienced, might be because its bugged, maybe i just didnt notice it in the past, idk thats why im asking here.

eso_lags · July 2017

On the opinion side of it, ya its just my opinion. But its not L2P lol, i have played nightblade as my first serious pvp class for around a year, and played every class in the game for a decent amount of time in pvp. I play mag and stam nb in pve and i know they are on the bottom. I know the game enough to know how to counter nightblades. In these situations, most of the time, if a nightblade kills me its because they are with other people or its non cp BGs and they are stacking proc sets. Again opinion but my question to you @Tommy_The_Gun is, why does cloak not have a cost increase when streak does? They both get you away. Streak does more ya, but NB's have image and that lets you teleport, again an epic skill.

If you want to talk about why you dont think im right then thats fine, but dont say i need to l2p when you dont know me at all. I dont think the devs will give cloak a cost increase after each use, just my opinion, all im saying is i should be able to attack a nb if i see them, and if i cant great but id like to know if this is a bug or not. And another question, what game has invisibility like this? none that i can think of. Could be wrong but at this point i mainly want to know if anyone else has experienced this with detect pots. Oh and ill put a video up tonight so people can see what i mean just to clarify.

Dymence · July 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

On the opinion side of it, ya its just my opinion. But its not L2P lol, i have played nightblade as my first serious pvp class for around a year, and played every class in the game for a decent amount of time in pvp.

Playing something =/= being good at it.

It's l2p.

Gilvoth · July 2017

nightblade is the easiest class to kill.
it has always been that way.
our only defense that really doesn't work right is cloak and invisibility.
that really is the truth. and like i said, it's been that way since beta 2013.

note:
i find it very interesting that this wasn't put in the "bug" section of the forums, rather, it was place in the General ESO Discussion section.

KingJ · July 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

Yes let's nerf a skill that only works half the time. Great idea.

People always got something to whine about.

@brandonv516 your cloak work half the time your lucky.

Cloak is the only class defense that you can counter with a pot or poison.It barely works as it and breaks off stuff that shouldn't break it still.Op I saw you on Xbox last night your hurricane alone will keep a NB from cloaking.

Only reason NB are doing so well this patch is because of how broken proc sets are.Fix proc sets and NB gonna be behind other classes again.NB have what the worst healing in the game and the only way for him to heal is using a ability that only works 1/5 times with the most counters of any class defense.Wow only thing they have is Incap which can be dodge by a player or with shuffle plus block.My Leap on my stamdk hit people just as hard and its a AOE.My Sweep on my stamplar which cost 75 ultimate hit 2k less than my incap and its AOe.

The_Titan_Tim · July 2017

One of my guildmates is hitting 40k+ on his magblade self-buffed, and stamblade holds the fastest veteran maelstrom arena speed run of all time with the changes to CP and the added direct damage +% , so the class is in no way struggling in PvE, the real problem is with the sets Nightblades are running in PvP, not the class itself. Pre-Velidreth & Selene, killing a buffed player before they could react was nowhere near as possible. But in regards to the topic of cloak nerfs, my opinion is that we won't see any nerfs to cloak until stamina classes get another skill line that provides them with more forms of healing or utility which might be some time.

Sheva I 7 I · July 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

@Tommy_The_Gun This is so wrong i dont even know where to begin. Nightblade is the worst class in eso? what are we talking pve or pvp? because in pvp nightblades are sitting pretty high up. Yes a lot are good players, know why? Because a lot of the good players that wanna solo pvp are on nightblades because its easy mode, but also very good for solo pvp since you can burst out of stealth and then get away if you need to. But even the really bad nbs just keep cloaking til the detect pot runs out and then go and hide.. Regardless, The first part of my post was a question, the second part my opinion.

The question: Is this normal... detect pots pulling NBs out of cloak but when they keep cloaking (even though you can see them) you cant hit them with single target abilities besides gap closers.... And detect pots arent cheap, they should at least do what they say, and if the NB wants to keep trying to cloak then it should be their issue, not mine. But also if they dont work how i thought they did then its fine, Im just asking so i can go about it differently. Might be because people are getting more experienced, might be because its bugged, maybe i just didnt notice it in the past, idk thats why im asking here.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I guess it is a L2P issue or you just fight against very good and experienced players. There are way too many things that counter stealth (for a NB stealth is literality the only thing that keeps them alive, they don't have dmg shield, burst healing or extremely well mobility).
- Expert Hunter: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Expert+Hunter
- Magelight: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Magelight
- Revealing Flare: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Revealing+Flare

Those are all skills that counter stealth that are available for all classes. And if this is not enough you can always use something that deals dot dmg (dmg over time - for example you can use some poisons) - as it will also pull players out of stealth (it will even interrupt nb's cloak). Any DMG will break stealth so technically you can even use some AOE like Caltrops... And if this is not enough... you can always go to stealth yourself....

Keep in mind this: 25% dmg bonus from stealth was removed and NB and all its skills were nerfed several (if not more) times. Cloak in particular. (NB is considered the worst class in ESO - especially stamina based). With all tools out there that can easily counter NB "core" survivability asking for more nerfs is just ridiculous.

btw. Imagine for a second that there are commonly available skills in ESO that can un-summon Sorcerer's pets, remove Templar healing or DK buffs.... It would be an equivalent of anti - stealth mechanics I mentioned above that could be equally painful...

i don't know about pvp but in pve they are op now

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Did I say L2P yet?

eso_lags · July 2017

@dwemer_paleologist how does it only work half of the time? Maybe a couple updates back, but I have no issues with it when i play nb. And i posted it here for 2 reasons. 1 I dont know if its a bug or not so im asking if anyone else has noticed it and if it seems odd... and 2 because i wanted to post a bit of my opinion on the skill, to see what others thought who actually wanted to have a conversation about it. And to trigger some people who dont know how to have conversations. Not meaning you, you give your opinion and i respond. I disagree, in a 1v1 ya some classes do better, but if you play right and especially in open world this isnt true.

@KingJ Again what causes cloak to not work? I stand near people with hurricane and quick cloak up and they can still roll out and cloak away. Hit a detect pot they roll and cloak til its gone and all i can do is gap close them... Its probably more noticeable now because dawnbreaker isnt working right and can be dodged, because in the past thats how i would take care of the issue. Plus xbox is so laggy so that doesn't help.

Stam NB excels with single target and with proc sets its a nightmare, and in non cp much worse. So you are deff right about procs making it worse. But me saying i think it should have a cost increase doesn't mean its gonna happen. Personally i dont think people should be able to run away endlessly, but again just my opinion.. And personally I like to play with image on my NB more because you can teleport anywhere. But anyway, do you use detect pots? If so have you noticed this with certain abilities.. Im curious since you are on xbox as well.

notimetocare · July 2017

Ahahahahaha... Cloak fails 9 times out of 10

leeshi · July 2017

I dunno what kinda nbs you're fighting but even on a magicka based race (breton) I can only cloak 3 times as a stamblade without running out of mag. So really "spamming" isn't that much of an issue. I rarely fail to chase nbs that are cloak spamming down. They run out of magicka before I lose track of them.

There are other detection things you can run as mentioned above in this thread if they are really an issue for you. I don't find nbs worse than any other class. In fact they tend to run off more than fight so I prefer them to say an unkillable dk tank.

eso_lags · July 2017

@notimetocare Saying random things without giving an example? smh.

@leeshi On my nightblade i can cloak like 7-8 times. Most nightblades that main nightblades run gold food so they have mag recovery for cloak. Personally i run witchmothers with bone pirates so i get a buff to everything except health recovery. But you are 100% right about the running away, but then they sit in stealth til you get in another fight and then jump on you. Then if you almost kill them even with other people they repeat the process. Bottom line is what i was saying about detect pots, and figuring it out, working on some clips..

leeshi · July 2017

@itzTJ That's a good point.. I run pve food which isn't mag. I really should start running tri stat on my nb.

Agree with everything you said it's annoying. I rarely get away on my nb though. I almost always get chased down eventually.

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

itzTJ wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger and are you using AOES? or like dizzying swing / executioner. Because i know those 2 skills wont work. Some DW skills as well. For some reason if the nightblade keeps cloaking, even though i can see them, they dodge everything. Ill post a video. Also they glitch every few feet, stop, and repeat. Its weird, i deff gotta take a video.

@itzTJ pop scorching flare on them and then you can smash away at them whilst they burn. Flare does a stupid amount of damage as it is. Actually the most powerful dot in the game and actually brings them out of stealth.

But the pots don't do anything except tell you where they are and where to aim. Arrow spray is another good one if Stam. Just spam it over and it won't miss.