Behaviour in PvP

Voice_of_Chronicles · June 2017

I would like to congratulate this community, even though I have encountered some frustrated leavers, rage-quitters, and flamers in my team or other teams in the Battlegrounds, the general atmosphere is still very friendly compared to what I am used to from other MMO's PvP and PvP in online games in general! That is really nice!

What I liked about the ESO community from the start was it's helpfulness and that I wasn't competitive to the point that people sicken others by their uncontrolled rage and disappointment.

Please keep it that way! This game is not balanced around dueling and certainly not around Battlegrounds (yet I am sure the dev's are trying) Even though I have spend alot of time dueling I still feel that there is a certain respect between players, that is only occasionally replaced with grief and hatred.

Loosing in AvA, Battlegrounds, dueling can sometimes be frustrating and I understand that. But that doesn't mean you have be toxic or in case of the (frequent winner) uber vain!

Anyhow, these are my thoughts on the state of PvP in this game, I have met many honourable duelists and battleground players, some of which I have become friends with, and I have met a few black sheep as well.

But I still believe PvP is great fun, no matter the overall balance between classes, and team compilations in nattlegrounds. I only felt like saying thank you and keep up the good mood in PvP even though that might mean you have to control your temper occasionally.

What are you thoughts on behaviour in PvP?

ofSunhold · June 2017

Surprisingly nice, isn't it. I've met some of the most amazing people in PvP.

I mean, they'll kill you. Of course. Everybody's playing to win, that's what's fun.

The black sheep you mention are loud and so that's what non-PvPers tend to think the whole scene is, which is a shame.

ParaNostram · June 2017

I got sexually harassed in cyrodiil once. I'd say the creep's name but ZOS would call that name and shaming.

Slack · June 2017

Cannot be!
Pvp is the source of all evil, the reason why all games who have it will die!
The people who never pvp themselves have said it again and again so it must be true!

Nermy · June 2017

In 3 years of fighting in Cyrodiil, I have only made friends. All the guys I fight and kill/die to, I have the utmost respect for. It is a game after all and we are all fellow gamers.

And thanks OP for creating a positive PvP post. Appreciated.

Tan9oSuccka · June 2017

Actually salt in Cyrodiil is rare. I shamelessly Stam NB ganked my way to Lieutenant with a total of two salty messages.

I see more salt in PVE zones with the "duel me brah!!" Crowd.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2017

It's true. The salt in PvP is probably the most extreme in the game, but it's rarer than you would think. Plus an easy two-click solution exists.

casparian · June 2017

In PVP, a group of people are locked up in the same room together for an extended period of time, and whether it is a fun experience or not depends on what they make of it. So far in my experience, a great many of them have decided they're going to take ownership of the experience and make it a good one for all involved. Sadly, the current leadership of my alliance on my home campaign (Sotha Sil) seems to be an exception to this rule. But by and large, most serious PVPers in this game realize that we're all in this together.

In PVE-land, on the other hand, the people who are in this to compensate for something seem to have a much louder voice, in large part because there is less reason for players to communicate with one another in PVE zones. And I seemingly cannot escape from people who want to talk about politics in PVE-land. Cyrodiil is the only zone in which I habitually have zone chat on.

[edited to remove politics]

qsnoopyjr · June 2017

ofSunhold wrote: »

Surprisingly nice, isn't it. I've met some of the most amazing people in PvP.

I mean, they'll kill you. Of course. Everybody's playing to win, that's what's fun.

The black sheep you mention are loud and so that's what non-PvPers tend to think the whole scene is, which is a shame.

PvP is suppose to be "I'm better than you and I'm going to let you know it"

I prefer old school, whooping you and trash talking at the same time, MJ style, Goldberg style, Steve Austin style, Diablo 2 style, Everquest style.
Did you know in EQ, back in days, you could train people and could get away with it. People werent such crybabies back in the day.

[snip]

So yes, this game, every other MMORPG right now, the gaming community in general, much more friendly community.
WWE is much more friendlier, no more attitude era
NBA is much more friendlier, no more checking
Video game industry is much more friendlier, you report someone they actually do something, bully police.

But then you hear a lot of, "why is WWE so soft now", "why is NBA so soft now", "why do video games suck now".

[edited for inappropriate commentary]

Tan9oSuccka · June 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

PvP is suppose to be "I'm better than you and I'm going to let you know it"

I prefer old school, whooping you and trash talking at the same time, MJ style, Goldberg style, Steve Austin style, Diablo 2 style, Everquest style.
Did you know in EQ, back in days, you could train people and could get away with it. People werent such crybabies back in the day.

So yes, this game, every other MMORPG right now, the gaming community in general, much more friendly community.
WWE is much more friendlier, no more attitude era
NBA is much more friendlier, no more checking
Video game industry is much more friendlier, you report someone they actually do something, bully police.

But then you hear a lot of, "why is WWE so soft now", "why is NBA so soft now", "why do video games suck now".

qsnoopyjr · June 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Yes son,

I started gaming when gaming during the golden age of gaming, thats inbetween Super Nintendo and N64.
Windows 95
You started gaming before that timeframe you didnt get full immersion, you started gaming after that timeframe you didnt get full immersion.

Yall think you know gaming, yall dont know squat about gaming.

Lemme tell ya about that timeframe,
WCW/WWF wars
NBA MJ
Tupac/Biggie wars
Pokemon
Elder Scrolls 3 MORROWIND
Quake
Diablo2
Starcraft
Halo
WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Everquest
Mario Kart 64
Final Fantasy

Thats only a fraction of a percent, the list is literally so big it could make this forum crash.

Yall dont know SQUAT about gaming

Oh ya, lets not forget Myspace,
Just watch this video, it applies to even the golden age https://youtube.com/watch?v=4uO8iL-25js

Yall born after 1994 DONT KNOW SQUAT

[edited to remove quote]

Biro123 · June 2017

I'm convinced that most of the people who think ESO has a toxic PVP community have never set foot into PVP and just assume its the same as some other PVP games out there..

antihero727 · June 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

I'm convinced that most of the people who think ESO has a toxic PVP community have never set foot into PVP and just assume its the same as some other PVP games out there..

Negativity gets attention, snowflakes feed from the attention breast.

casparian · June 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

[PvP is suppose to be "I'm better than you and I'm going to let you know it"

I prefer old school, whooping you and trash talking at the same time, MJ style, Goldberg style, Steve Austin style, Diablo 2 style, Everquest style.
Did you know in EQ, back in days, you could train people and could get away with it. People werent such crybabies back in the day.

So yes, this game, every other MMORPG right now, the gaming community in general, much more friendly community.
WWE is much more friendlier, no more attitude era
NBA is much more friendlier, no more checking
Video game industry is much more friendlier, you report someone they actually do something, bully police.

But then you hear a lot of, "why is WWE so soft now", "why is NBA so soft now", "why do video games suck now".

I was born well before 1994 bro. You have a very narrow conception of what competitiveness means. My ideals of competition stem from my experiences playing team sports as a kid and into high school. (And no, I never got a participation trophy.) If I had called the quarterback I just sacked a **** my coach would have cursed me out and benched me. That man took it upon himself to teach us two things: sportsmanship and how to win. The two aren't mutually exclusive, despite what you seem to think. We were all made to shake the other team's hands and tell them "good game" win or lose, and we all were made to understand that respect for your opponents on the field was a part of what made the game great. I do my best to carry that ideal into ESO, and in my experience basic sportsmanship makes for more satisfying competition in Cyrodiil. Never once has anyone accused me of being "soft".

Unfortunately, you seem to have had no opportunity to learn from examples of actual competitive sports, and so instead learned from TV. I'm sorry to hear that.

[edited for quote]

Tan9oSuccka · June 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

ofSunhold wrote: »

Surprisingly nice, isn't it. I've met some of the most amazing people in PvP.

I mean, they'll kill you. Of course. Everybody's playing to win, that's what's fun.

The black sheep you mention are loud and so that's what non-PvPers tend to think the whole scene is, which is a shame.

PvP is suppose to be "I'm better than you and I'm going to let you know it"

It's this new generation, born after 1994, all these kids they play nice and expect others to be nice to them. LGBT community, tree huggers, lots of lets just be friends came about from the people born after 1994.

I prefer old school, whooping you and trash talking at the same time, MJ style, Goldberg style, Steve Austin style, Diablo 2 style, Everquest style.
Did you know in EQ, back in days, you could train people and could get away with it.

People werent such crybabies back in the days, you could use the P word that is banned from all video games sites back in the days, now the P word, the people born after 1994 BANNED it, they claimed it relates to degrading of women but matter fact the P word just means someone whines a lot and cant handle a beating, regardless of male or female.

So yes, this game, every other MMORPG right now, the gaming community in general, much more friendly community.
WWE is much more friendlier, no more attitude era
NBA is much more friendlier, no more checking
Video game industry is much more friendlier, you report someone they actually do something, bully police.

But then you hear a lot of, "why is WWE so soft now", "why is NBA so soft now", "why do video games suck now".

EXACTLY.
Points at people born after 1994.

Yes son,

I started gaming when gaming during the golden age of gaming, thats inbetween Super Nintendo and N64.
Windows 95
You started gaming before that timeframe you didnt get full immersion, you started gaming after that timeframe you didnt get full immersion.

Yall think you know gaming, yall dont know squat about gaming.

Lemme tell ya about that timeframe,
WCW/WWF wars
NBA MJ
Tupac/Biggie wars
Pokemon
Elder Scrolls 3 MORROWIND
Quake
Diablo2
Starcraft
Halo
WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Everquest
Mario Kart 64
Final Fantasy

Thats only a fraction of a percent, the list is literally so big it could make this forum crash.

Yall dont know SQUAT about gaming

Oh ya, lets not forget Myspace,
Just watch this video, it applies to even the golden age https://youtube.com/watch?v=4uO8iL-25js

Yall born after 1994 DONT KNOW SQUAT

Not sure how this is relevant to the topic, but I'll humor you.

I was born in the early 80's and even I think you sound like a ranting lunatic.

Anlace · June 2017

Kids these days with their common courtesy and treating games like they're just games.

I was born in the eighties fwiw. And I agree with the OP, PvPers in ESO are good peeps. The better they are at kicking ass the more they stay chill and help out their allies.

I've seen a few toxic creeps but that's just the world.

Osteos · June 2017

I have met some really great people and made some good friends pvping. Overall the community is great.

Narvuntien · June 2017

I had someone tea baging me today in cryodil.
I found it distasteful

We had a really great duel...or three (when I rode back to have it again over and over). Some times I got closer to killing him than others. I enjoyed the actual gameplay the battle was hard fought and really close then he just ruins the mood with the teabagging.

Teamwork in small groups in Cryodil has been really good though.. you just have an idea to run around resource taking to distract the opposition to send a big group to deal with the four of you. Or the rapid keep taking when you get 8-12 players for the big plays.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

My belief is that if you click the ignore button just the right amount of times , this is a fantastic community .

ZOS_CoriJ · June 2017

We've had to remove a handful of posts on this thread already and we've barely made it to a page. Let's keep this discussion appropriate and on the rails folks.

casparian · June 2017

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

We've had to remove a handful of posts on this thread already and we've barely made it to a page. Let's keep this discussion appropriate and on the rails folks.

Sounds like ZOS_CoriJ was born after 1994!

Sorry don't ban me I couldn't resist

gepe87 · June 2017

Well, although Cyrodill have a lot of stresssful players, yesterday I experienced a nice 'armistice' between EP and AD. Playing music and dancing with unknown players

Caligamy_ESO · June 2017

SQUAT!

I forgot what the rest of the thread was about..

dem0n1k · June 2017

The 'golden age of gaming' ... mmmm quake at 320x240 pixels on 'orrible 15" CRT screens, 56k MODEM dialup connects, serial ball mice, etc... sure it was much fun at the time.. but gaming got a whole lot better imo.

Back on the actual topic... Yes! I think the PVP community in ESO is largely very awesome! I have met great people & had many laughs. There is always a small minority of players that take it too seriously & have to get all angsty about the GAME they are playing. That's OK.. if everyone was all happiness & joy all the time that would probably be a bit weird :P A little bit of angst & contention sets the PVP mood!

I have often found that my PVP guild groups are so calm! We can get totally wiped & the crown will calmly state where to rez & restock & regroup. It is so cool because when you feel the frustration of trying your best to survive/kill an enemy encounter & fail... a calm leader can just reset that frustration back to it being a fun gaming experience again.

AlienatedGoat · June 2017

This thread has devolved into the exact opposite of what the OP was trying to say...

ArchMikem · June 2017

max_only · June 2017

casparian wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

[PvP is suppose to be "I'm better than you and I'm going to let you know it"

I prefer old school, whooping you and trash talking at the same time, MJ style, Goldberg style, Steve Austin style, Diablo 2 style, Everquest style.
Did you know in EQ, back in days, you could train people and could get away with it. People werent such crybabies back in the day.

So yes, this game, every other MMORPG right now, the gaming community in general, much more friendly community.
WWE is much more friendlier, no more attitude era
NBA is much more friendlier, no more checking
Video game industry is much more friendlier, you report someone they actually do something, bully police.

But then you hear a lot of, "why is WWE so soft now", "why is NBA so soft now", "why do video games suck now".

I was born well before 1994 bro. You have a very narrow conception of what competitiveness means. My ideals of competition stem from my experiences playing team sports as a kid and into high school. (And no, I never got a participation trophy.) If I had called the quarterback I just sacked a **** my coach would have cursed me out and benched me. That man took it upon himself to teach us two things: sportsmanship and how to win. The two aren't mutually exclusive, despite what you seem to think. We were all made to shake the other team's hands and tell them "good game" win or lose, and we all were made to understand that respect for your opponents on the field was a part of what made the game great. I do my best to carry that ideal into ESO, and in my experience basic sportsmanship makes for more satisfying competition in Cyrodiil. Never once has anyone accused me of being "soft".

Unfortunately, you seem to have had no opportunity to learn from examples of actual competitive sports, and so instead learned from TV. I'm sorry to hear that.

[edited for quote]

This is the wisdom you whippersnappers need to be reading. Gentlemen know what good sportsmanship is all about.

Also, I'm pretty sure if more people figured out a way to type and ride their horse at the same time there'd be more "conversations" in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is mostly empty and quiet when ever I go and I get more smack talk from my pug than the enemy.

Voice chat harassment though... if you are on console there is a higher population of immature edgelords trolling voice chat to bully people, due their insecurities offline.

Voice_of_Chronicles · July 2017

It lies in the nature of PvP that there are winners and loosers. It is about how you handle your victories and and your defeats. I only wished to reach out to the community (you) and thank and encourage you, to keep the atmosphere in PvP healthy.

I have come a long way from other MMO's and games and PvP was the communites breaking point and determined it's ultimate downfall.

Most of the players I've met are friendly, encouraging and helpful concerning their experience in PvP. I have been given advice and helped my fare share of new PvP'ers, who asked me about PvP, recommending item sets, skills and rotations, because I think that is what PvP should be like.

I am not talking about the Golden age of gaming, even though I was born in the mid 80's growing up with the exact games you mentioned, because that is not the point of my post.

Of course I understand the sting you feel when you loose a battle, and the heartwarming triumph after a well-fought battle, and it is normal these emotions sometimes lead to rage- /flame- posts. I have yet encountered most of them with a simple question like. "Do you really mean that? I hope not! We are in this together. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose! Well fought! Hope to fight you again!"

This sometimes ended up in the most interesting discussions about behaviour in PvP and quite often an excuse on the other part.

I think a general feeling of respect towards other players, no matter they prowess in battle be it PvE or PvP, but as fellow human beings, who want to enjoy the same game with you, is what everyone should have. Because this it is an MMO and it thrives on coorperation and a feeling of community.

I wished only to share my positive feelings about the honour and sportmanship that this community has developed and I was looking for other people's opinions.

But I am not only looking for positive experiences here, feel free to post your negative ones too! But keep it in mode that is understanding and helpful!
Because I believe that keeping a discussion going about behaviour in PvP (without naming and shaming) and conciously talking about issues that might arise and increasing the awareness of people engaged in daily PvP is what can keep the atmosphere as great as it is(most of the time) in the long run!

Banana · July 2017

PVP is where people go to take a dump

TequilaFire · July 2017

Born in the mid 50's guess i am really screwed!

But PvP has been great for me I have met more friends there than I ever have in PvE.
My guild is great, we get a little rowdy when we are getting whooped but it is so sweet when we are face rolling the enemy.

bottleofsyrup · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

I'm convinced that most of the people who think ESO has a toxic PVP community have never set foot into PVP and just assume its the same as some other PVP games out there..

Indeed. They must not PvE much either because there are people in PvE just as bad as people in PvP. Egomaniacs are everywhere and aren't limited to one side of the game.