Combat Physician?

KarlMoor · April 2017

I have an argonian templar healer and I wondering if I could use the Combat Physician as a secondary set in PVP (in PVE now SPC is a must, so...)
I'm thinking something like 2 monster set Pirate Skeleton for stay up in combat and then 5 Combat Physician and 5 Lich (jewerly and sword and shield. The question is, CP proc and I could use to put some decent defense on my party or is better grossamer or similar?

SirMewser · April 2017

Personally love combat physician set, I don't heal too much, I tank and use the Twilight for off healing and so I am not using her more than 2 times (usually) within the cooldown of the set so it synergizes with my setup quite nicely.

Gossamer is gimmicky because it's a chance to proc that is best achieved by not over healing that requires your allies to be injured, then a chance for that 15% evasion within the duration to have actually done anything.
On the other hand, it can be applied to many with the duration being refreshable.

Neither are bad, just think about what works for how you play.

Iyas · April 2017

KarlMoor wrote: »

I have an argonian templar healer and I wondering if I could use the Combat Physician as a secondary set in PVP (in PVE now SPC is a must, so...)
I'm thinking something like 2 monster set Pirate Skeleton for stay up in combat and then 5 Combat Physician and 5 Lich (jewerly and sword and shield. The question is, CP proc and I could use to put some decent defense on my party or is better grossamer or similar?

So you want to run 5 light armor in PvP on a templar? Sry that wont do it. You can certainly try gut youre kinda forced to use 5 heavy armor. You could think about using Combat physician instead of lich and use a sustain Set like seducer in heavy armor

Vildebill · April 2017

Combat Physician only targets one player at a time (at least it used to). It doesn't proc on fully healed targets either. Really crappy set

TheDoomsdayMonster · April 2017

KarlMoor wrote: »

I have an argonian templar healer and I wondering if I could use the Combat Physician as a secondary set in PVP (in PVE now SPC is a must, so...)
I'm thinking something like 2 monster set Pirate Skeleton for stay up in combat and then 5 Combat Physician and 5 Lich (jewerly and sword and shield. The question is, CP proc and I could use to put some decent defense on my party or is better grossamer or similar?

I have experimented with many, many, light armor sets and I always come back to Combat Physician; its amazing with careful planning as to what you pair with it...

If you use it, just make sure your spell crit is high; if you do this, it performs better than any other defensive light armor set I've seen as you'll consistently get that damage shield going every 6 seconds...

TheDoomsdayMonster · April 2017

Vildebill wrote: »

Really crappy set

Completely disagree...

I cant count the number of times that Combat Physician has saved me or has proven extremely useful...

The fact that is procs on heal (after you've taken damage) is its strongest attribute...

Lets say I'm in PvP and am taking damage (lets also assume you have a high spell crit as I do)...

When I hit Breath of Life, the odds are its going to fully restore me to full health with a damage shield already in place...

From my experience its the best defensive light armor set out there; especially when fighting 1v1...

Araviel2 · April 2017

Iyas wrote: »

KarlMoor wrote: »

I have an argonian templar healer and I wondering if I could use the Combat Physician as a secondary set in PVP (in PVE now SPC is a must, so...)
I'm thinking something like 2 monster set Pirate Skeleton for stay up in combat and then 5 Combat Physician and 5 Lich (jewerly and sword and shield. The question is, CP proc and I could use to put some decent defense on my party or is better grossamer or similar?

So you want to run 5 light armor in PvP on a templar? Sry that wont do it. You can certainly try gut youre kinda forced to use 5 heavy armor. You could think about using Combat physician instead of lich and use a sustain Set like seducer in heavy armor

it does come in jewelry and weapons too you know

TheDoomsdayMonster · April 2017

Iyas wrote: »

KarlMoor wrote: »

I have an argonian templar healer and I wondering if I could use the Combat Physician as a secondary set in PVP (in PVE now SPC is a must, so...)
I'm thinking something like 2 monster set Pirate Skeleton for stay up in combat and then 5 Combat Physician and 5 Lich (jewerly and sword and shield. The question is, CP proc and I could use to put some decent defense on my party or is better grossamer or similar?

So you want to run 5 light armor in PvP on a templar? Sry that wont do it. You can certainly try gut youre kinda forced to use 5 heavy armor. You could think about using Combat physician instead of lich and use a sustain Set like seducer in heavy armor

I run 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy in PvP and it works fine for me, but I do admit that you have to accept certain things about your character and not engage multiple player characters solo like you're the Godd@mned Batman...

exeeter702 · April 2017

No sorry... It is objectively ***. Honestly, its 5 peice hardly warrants a spot as your core set, and at that point transmutation trumps it on nearly all fronts. And yes its ICD triggers each time it procs on a single target.

TheDoomsdayMonster · April 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

No sorry... It is objectively ***. Honestly, its 5 peice hardly warrants a spot as your core set, and at that point transmutation trumps it on nearly all fronts. And yes its ICD triggers each time it procs on a single target.

Transmutation might be better under a more narrow set of conditions (its only good in PvP), but Combat Physician is good at all times...

If I'm soloing in PvE or PvP, I'm procing the damage shield as needed...

Doing 4 man dailies, Combat Physician is there doing its job and making things alot easier for the group...

To each his own, but I dont see why people think this set is crap; I see nothing but good from it...

Tasear · April 2017

A dk healer could make great use of these and have 3 shields

, but I don't know depends how you play . How often do you dps?If so yes. How's your substain? Try lich or more hots. Are you overhealing? Try using a group buff set instead. What your overall dungeon success rate? if you are failing then you have to think what are you doing wrong.

rossk25 · June 2017

Im just gonna revive this thread to ask a few question. I recently farmed 5 (purple quality) pieces of this set and it looks like it might be a pretty decent set.

However, as soon as I went online to read more about this set, it has just been constant negativity. It seems like the majority of players say this is the worst set for a healer.

I healed some normal dungeons (PUGS) and loved that it proc when I used healing ward on a player that took heavy dmg, or when a player is overwhelmed and has low health. But again, the shield is random and based on crit healing dmg only.

It also seems like it might be a decent soloing PvE set, especially for delves and world bosses since it can proc on yourself.

So for those who use it. What do you use it for? PvE? soloing? PvP? and what other set do you combine it with?

kvlou79 · June 2017

Use it with 5 Trinimacs Valor from Wrothgar. AOE damage, group heal, and shield. Like a machine! Also, Trinimacs has good mag recovery, which is pretty relevant with this update.

SquareSausage · June 2017

1 shield on one player every 6 secs that's random?

No thanks. Much better sets to be had.

Flameheart · June 2017

SquareSausage wrote: »

1 shield on one player every 6 secs that's random?

No thanks. Much better sets to be had.

Agree, for PvE and PvP I rate that set useless too. For PvP Sanctuary or Lich + Troll King or Pirate Skeleton comes to my mind. Get the jewelry (and maybe weapons) from Sanctuary / Lich + 1 or 2 other armor slot pieces and fill up the other armor slots with heavy Kagrenac or Seducer. Go 1hand + shield on one bar.

Lord_Eomer · June 2017

This set heal 1 player at a time, this set need total rework. Its a junk not to be bothered.

rossk25 · June 2017

Haha, I see that the negativity is still there for this set!!

I have played with it for a bit doing both healing dungeons and soloing in PvE and I personally find its a VERY good set for soloing in PvE, especially when you are battling bosses or doing delves. The cool downs doesn't affect me as much when soloing because im usually doing dmg and only heal when i have very low health. I have high spell crit so it will almost always proc for me.

However, For group dungeons, it isn't the best. The shield procs to a random player who was healed and the 6 sec cool-down is too long.
But there has been instance when the tanks health was quite low, so I used ward ally on them, the set procs and he gets the sets dmg shield, and then I decide (for the fun of it) to us IG shield and the tanks ended up having 3 different shields on him! It made him impenetrably for 6 seconds. lol

So I think I will use this as my main questing/soloing set and might combine it with something the boosts mag recovery and spell dmg.
For dungeons/Pugs I might go to WGT and farm for the SPC set.

Lord_Eomer · June 2017

rossk25 wrote: »

Haha, I see that the negativity is still there for this set!!

I have played with it for a bit doing both healing dungeons and soloing in PvE and I personally find its a VERY good set for soloing in PvE, especially when you are battling bosses or doing delves. The cool downs doesn't affect me as much when soloing because im usually doing dmg and only heal when i have very low health. I have high spell crit so it will almost always proc for me.

However, For group dungeons, it isn't the best. The shield procs to a random player who was healed and the 6 sec cool-down is too long.
But there has been instance when the tanks health was quite low, so I used ward ally on them, the set procs and he gets the sets dmg shield, and then I decide (for the fun of it) to us IG shield and the tanks ended up having 3 different shields on him! It made him impenetrably for 6 seconds. lol

So I think I will use this as my main questing/soloing set and might combine it with something the boosts mag recovery and spell dmg.
For dungeons/Pugs I might go to WGT and farm for the SPC set.

Why u need small shield for delves or world boss? You can use harness magicka and good dps set.

exeeter702 · June 2017

rossk25 wrote: »

Haha, I see that the negativity is still there for this set!!

I have played with it for a bit doing both healing dungeons and soloing in PvE and I personally find its a VERY good set for soloing in PvE, especially when you are battling bosses or doing delves. The cool downs doesn't affect me as much when soloing because im usually doing dmg and only heal when i have very low health. I have high spell crit so it will almost always proc for me.

However, For group dungeons, it isn't the best. The shield procs to a random player who was healed and the 6 sec cool-down is too long.
But there has been instance when the tanks health was quite low, so I used ward ally on them, the set procs and he gets the sets dmg shield, and then I decide (for the fun of it) to us IG shield and the tanks ended up having 3 different shields on him! It made him impenetrably for 6 seconds. lol

So I think I will use this as my main questing/soloing set and might combine it with something the boosts mag recovery and spell dmg.
For dungeons/Pugs I might go to WGT and farm for the SPC set.

There is no reason whatsoever to use this in a solo environment unless you are intentionally gimping yourself for emmersion purposes. Nothing in the game that is thrown at you in a solo environment is too much for LA sheild plus class/resto staff tools.

I understand that you want to make combat physician work but the fact of the matter is that the set is objectively inferior to the many alternatives available. It is one of the many legacy sets that has no place atm.

Tasear · June 2017

So I thought long and hard... and finally can com back to this question. Looking at the first four effects it's solid a healer who is reliant more of critical heals and likely to be more dps orientated as well. But our general consuses for the complaint is the 5 set piece

Combat Physician Set

(2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical

(4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical

(5 items) Critically Healing an ally grants them a 8195 Damage Shield for 8 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 6 seconds.

So how can it be used. I am thinking it might be or been a nightblade off healer . How I would use it in theory would be something along the lines of shadow disguise and sap essence to control who gets the shield or funnel health.

Shadowly Disguise

Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike. Guarantees a Critical Strike on your next attack.

Sap essence
Siphon the vigor from your enemies’ blood, dealing [x] Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and healing you and your allies for [y] plus 20% for each enemy hit.
If an enemy is hit, you gain Major Brutality and Major Sorcery, increasing Weapon and Spell Damage by 20% of 20 seconds.

How does it compare to other sets like it? Lunar bastion is 10 sec 30k shield over 10 secs with potentially zero cooldown and effects all allies, though hard application at last not harder application then combat physician. So it's far below, and this set isn't even in high regards

Prayer Shawl
6% chance to give ally 3k shield... and a cooldown of 6 secs...it's going to work once maybe in a battle. Combat physican wins... by a far margin!

I think shield sets got lost when there was a nerf to shields. At one point shields lasted 20 secs. At a indirect consequence these sets got disregarded and became somewhat junk. If I was to suggest a change remove the cooldown on this set or half it because 3 secs and buff the shield to 16k to 21k after all the dragon knight skills is still doing 10k shields on command for 6 allies and lunar bastion is 30k over 10 secs.

@Wrobel

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

I think the set is perfect as is...

The Damage Shield isn't completely random; it goes to whoever has been damaged and has received a Crit Heal from the wearer of this gear set...

In a 4 man dungeon, its going to the Tank most of the time (if he's a good tank, he's grabbing aggro and he's the only one getting hit the large majority of the time)...

It someone else gets it, they had to have been damaged 1st, so the chances are that whatever hit him is going to hit him again, so the damage shield is still going to someone who needs it...

I just cant understand all the hate this set gets...

Yes only 1 person can get the Damage Shield every 6 secs, but do the math...

An 8k Damage Shield that can potentially Proc every 6 secs gives you a theorectical max of 80,000 points of total damage negation per minute (this number drops down to 40,000 per minute in PvP)...

This is nothing to sneeze at people and it comes with ZERO Magicka cost...

When you add to this goodness that several dps abilities Proc the Damage Shield (allowing you to shield yourself, heal yourself, AND damage the enemy in a single button push), it becomes a no-brainer in my minds eye as its value as an all purpose set...

To each his own however...

I've use Julianos, SPC, Krags, Mothers Sorrow, Healers Habit as well as many other sets and I keep coming back to Combat Physician...

For my playstyle its perfect and outperforms all of the above armor sets...

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

rossk25 wrote: »

Haha, I see that the negativity is still there for this set!!

I have played with it for a bit doing both healing dungeons and soloing in PvE and I personally find its a VERY good set for soloing in PvE, especially when you are battling bosses or doing delves. The cool downs doesn't affect me as much when soloing because im usually doing dmg and only heal when i have very low health. I have high spell crit so it will almost always proc for me.

However, For group dungeons, it isn't the best. The shield procs to a random player who was healed and the 6 sec cool-down is too long.
But there has been instance when the tanks health was quite low, so I used ward ally on them, the set procs and he gets the sets dmg shield, and then I decide (for the fun of it) to us IG shield and the tanks ended up having 3 different shields on him! It made him impenetrably for 6 seconds. lol

So I think I will use this as my main questing/soloing set and might combine it with something the boosts mag recovery and spell dmg.
For dungeons/Pugs I might go to WGT and farm for the SPC set.

Why u need small shield for delves or world boss? You can use harness magicka and good dps set.

The shield costs 0 Magicka...

In a one on one fight against a world boss (or against another player), you can continuously proc the Damage Shield on yourself simply by keeping a HoT of some sort active (wether it be Mutagen, Rapid Regen, Rite of Retribution, ect, ect)...

And its nothing being forced simply for the sake of making the Combat Physician gear effective; you should be keeping a HoT active on yourself anyway (especially if you are a Magicka Templar like myself), so the Damage Shield is literally free...

And as I said in an above post, do the math...

That 8k total damage negation per 6 secs adds up really quick; over time you negate a lot of damage...

I truly feel a lot of you underestimate this armor set...

But to each his own...

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

rossk25 wrote: »

Im just gonna revive this thread to ask a few question. I recently farmed 5 (purple quality) pieces of this set and it looks like it might be a pretty decent set.

However, as soon as I went online to read more about this set, it has just been constant negativity. It seems like the majority of players say this is the worst set for a healer.

I healed some normal dungeons (PUGS) and loved that it proc when I used healing ward on a player that took heavy dmg, or when a player is overwhelmed and has low health. But again, the shield is random and based on crit healing dmg only.

It also seems like it might be a decent soloing PvE set, especially for delves and world bosses since it can proc on yourself.

So for those who use it. What do you use it for? PvE? soloing? PvP? and what other set do you combine it with?

You have a lot of people that talk negatively about the set despite never having actually equipped it and run it through its phases...

I'm glad that I don't place all my faith in what I hear people say or else I would have never given this set a spin, and I would have never realized how great is truly is...

Vajrak · June 2017

Edited for accuracy: Prayer Shawl set has this function with sweeps, Combat physician with crit-able heals only (Ritual of Ret qualifies).

Just have to put this in here...

Puncturing Sweeps on Templar does proc the shield on you. So yes, can be used quite reliably, as you get 4 chances to proc it every 1.1s. Unless having a shield happen while you are dealing damage is a bad thing? Works very well when pairs with Iceheart.

So head+shoulder: Iceheart (Light/Medium)
Jewelry+Belt/Glove: Combat Physician (Light)
Chest: Heavy

mix and match rest to your preferences, since you'll be doing a 5/2/4 setup with those sets. But your critical damage/heals from sweeps will have 20% chance for Iceheart shield/dot aura+chance for shield from combat physician.

Makes a pretty decent combination. Throw in Julianos for the hell of it.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

Vajrak wrote: »

Just have to put this in here...

Puncturing Sweeps on Templar does proc the shield on you. So yes, can be used quite reliably, as you get 4 chances to proc it every 1.1s. Unless having a shield happen while you are dealing damage is a bad thing? Works very well when pairs with Iceheart.

So head+shoulder: Iceheart (Light/Medium)
Jewelry+Belt/Glove: Combat Physician (Light)
Chest: Heavy

mix and match rest to your preferences, since you'll be doing a 5/2/4 setup with those sets. But your critical damage/heals from sweeps will have 20% chance for Iceheart shield/dot aura+chance for shield from combat physician.

Makes a pretty decent combination. Throw in Julianos for the hell of it.

Sweeps doesn't Proc the Damage Shield...

I wish it did, but it doesnt...

kvlou79 · June 2017

I really like this set as well. It's a really cool set when combined with Trinimacs Valor, and this is what I duo with my son with.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

rossk25 wrote: »

So for those who use it. What do you use it for? PvE? soloing? PvP? and what other set do you combine it with?

I use it for all content, and it has never failed me...

Xvorg · June 2017

Tasear wrote: »

A dk healer could make great use of these and have 3 shields , but I don't know depends how you play . How often do you dps?If so yes. How's your substain? Try lich or more hots. Are you overhealing? Try using a group buff set instead. What your overall dungeon success rate? if you are failing then you have to think what are you doing wrong.

a sorc healer can stack even 5 shields when build towards crits.

Dampen + hardened + ward + Physician + Ice Heart

Xvorg · June 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

Just have to put this in here...

Puncturing Sweeps on Templar does proc the shield on you. So yes, can be used quite reliably, as you get 4 chances to proc it every 1.1s. Unless having a shield happen while you are dealing damage is a bad thing? Works very well when pairs with Iceheart.

So head+shoulder: Iceheart (Light/Medium)
Jewelry+Belt/Glove: Combat Physician (Light)
Chest: Heavy

mix and match rest to your preferences, since you'll be doing a 5/2/4 setup with those sets. But your critical damage/heals from sweeps will have 20% chance for Iceheart shield/dot aura+chance for shield from combat physician.

Makes a pretty decent combination. Throw in Julianos for the hell of it.

Sweeps doesn't Proc the Damage Shield...

I wish it did, but it doesnt...

Pssst, Ice Heart...

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

Just have to put this in here...

Puncturing Sweeps on Templar does proc the shield on you. So yes, can be used quite reliably, as you get 4 chances to proc it every 1.1s. Unless having a shield happen while you are dealing damage is a bad thing? Works very well when pairs with Iceheart.

So head+shoulder: Iceheart (Light/Medium)
Jewelry+Belt/Glove: Combat Physician (Light)
Chest: Heavy

mix and match rest to your preferences, since you'll be doing a 5/2/4 setup with those sets. But your critical damage/heals from sweeps will have 20% chance for Iceheart shield/dot aura+chance for shield from combat physician.

Makes a pretty decent combination. Throw in Julianos for the hell of it.

Sweeps doesn't Proc the Damage Shield...

I wish it did, but it doesnt...

Pssst, Ice Heart...

Oh yeah, Ice Hearts does...

Vajrak · August 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

Just have to put this in here...

Puncturing Sweeps on Templar does proc the shield on you. So yes, can be used quite reliably, as you get 4 chances to proc it every 1.1s. Unless having a shield happen while you are dealing damage is a bad thing? Works very well when pairs with Iceheart.

So head+shoulder: Iceheart (Light/Medium)
Jewelry+Belt/Glove: Combat Physician (Light)
Chest: Heavy

mix and match rest to your preferences, since you'll be doing a 5/2/4 setup with those sets. But your critical damage/heals from sweeps will have 20% chance for Iceheart shield/dot aura+chance for shield from combat physician.

Makes a pretty decent combination. Throw in Julianos for the hell of it.

Sweeps doesn't Proc the Damage Shield...

I wish it did, but it doesnt...

Edited for accuracy: accidental misinformation. Set is still good, but Prayer Shawl 5x is the bonus I had in mind. Please forgive the error.

It does indeed self-proc it. I've utilized it many times, with it being the only shield on my bar at all (1x iceheart, 5x combat, 5x seducers).

Critical hits/heals and has to actually heal -- if you are at full hp it won't do anything. I use it a lot for giggles when solo-farming a vet dungeon or when I want a lazy skyreach farm.

All of the "ally" sets can actually self-proc, which is one of the thing that makes the damage/heal proc sets so good on a magplar -- because Puncturing sweeps does both.