Remember when people said non cp pvp is more balanced? LOL
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✭Anne_Firehawk wrote: »Sounds like you need cp for a crutch. L2p? Keep Enjoying your lag filled cp cancer fest. I'll keep enjoying my lag free non cp which is much more balanced.
Your "lag free non cp" is less laggy because it's dead, atleast on PC EU, no CP Campaigns are mostily dead and turned into Farmcampaigns.
Lol. You have no clue at least on NA PC sotha sil. This past weekend was crazy busy. Massive battles between nikel and ash. 3 way battle between EP, AD, and DC. Guess what. No lag.
All I see are rage post after rage post about people complaining about lag, performance, and ques on cp. boggles my mind why people don't just go and experience a lag and que free campaign with plenty of population during peak hours and all day/night on weekends. Instead they want to bang their head against a wall beause they are too stubborn go let go off their precious "hard earned cp." boohoo.Edited by LegacyDM on June 29, 2017 8:44AMLegacy of Kain
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LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭disintegr8 wrote: »ZOS did confirm that the removal of CP during their performance test week made very little difference. Lag on campaigns has nothing to do with CP or non CP.. I have been playing Kyne (non cp below lvl 50), leveling new players and even with populations at 1 bar or less, as soon as there are 30-40 players fighting at the flags in a keep, there is lag.
And on console, maybe just indicative of the type of player that chooses console over PC, non CP campaigns are always the least used, even when there are large queues for Vivec. People earn their CP and want to use them, or get used to playing with them and find it hard to adapt without them.
And what I mean by the type of player, as I am one, is someone who turns on the console, puts in a disc and wants to start playing - rather than youtubing how to play videos, looking up what everyone else does and googling best builds.
link? I haven't seen anything from ZOS releasing the results of the tests. I will tell you that in my own personal tests I have no lag whatsoever on non cp. I can experience a large sized battle on sotha sil during prime time with no lag and then have a similar sized battle on vivec with extreme lag. The result is night and day. I also had no lag at all during the no cp week.
Look, you forum warriors can say what you want, but In my experience, there is a huge difference regardless of population. Somethings bogging the servers down and Brian makes a strong case that the server code was never designed to handle the increased calculations from cp in concentrated quadrants.Legacy of Kain
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Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.
Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.
"Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP,"
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Makato✭✭✭the second ppl realise both non cp and cp are unbalanced and gear,class,etc. Is the issue that would be great ... i mean 3k unmitigatable axe bleeds , passive executes ,high dmg heavy builds ,over rolling med players are on both platforms the only diff with non cp is that it will hurt less but then again you have less resistances aswell ...
but ye lets focus cp one off the lesser things the devs tried to balance out for pvp and pve and actually makes sense except for befoul and siphoner maybe.
And one more thing no one ever told anyone in a cp campaign to join that campaign ...might seem unfair but atleast the lower ranked players have a choice...PC/EU
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✭Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.
Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.
Don't generalize tho, is not because some "1vXrs" upload videos destroying scrubs with 200cp that we all do it.
You can't 1vX in no cp, you can't solo PvP and a fight against 2 opponents no matter how good you are it will be very hard to win, proc sets and poisons are also making it way harder to solo.
No CP is only for zerg players and I think no one can disagree, Small-scale and Solo are pretty much dead on those, Solo is completely dead and impossible.
CP PvP is way more balanced for Solo, per example if you put 5 max CP players against me in CP PvP I can probably win if I play my cards very well but if you 2 cp 300 with purple gear against me in no CP I will struggle like I am fighting a zerg.K1 The Big Monkey0 -
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✭Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.
Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.
Don't generalize tho, is not because some "1vXrs" upload videos destroying scrubs with 200cp that we all do it.
You can't 1vX in no cp, you can't solo PvP and a fight against 2 opponents no matter how good you are it will be very hard to win, proc sets and poisons are also making it way harder to solo.
No CP is only for zerg players and I think no one can disagree, Small-scale and Solo are pretty much dead on those, Solo is completely dead and impossible.
CP PvP is way more balanced for Solo, per example if you put 5 max CP players against me in CP PvP I can probably win if I play my cards very well but if you 2 cp 300 with purple gear against me in no CP I will struggle like I am fighting a zerg.
You know me im against non cp pvp BUT i have to disagree with you non cp is more possible to 1vx than cp pvp.
But either way 1vx has NOTHING to do with balance. To successfully 1vx you have to be better than all the players you are 1vx'ing which is kinda rare.
And also 1vx isnt even a realistic thing unless the people you ate fighting are really average to below average.
If you 1vx 5 cp630's with descent skill than you are an elite player. I happened to only ever 1vx a full cp630 group once. But i dont make bomb builds or strictly 1vx builds.2 -
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✭As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
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✭Timeraider wrote: »Non cp is more balanced and makes for better game play in pvp. I'm very happy they did not include cp in BG, it would've only ruined it. CP belongs in pve, it's just a crutch in pvp for those lacking the skill to play without it.
Ow yeah.. because sets that deal dmg adjusted to max CP are fair in a non-CP area.
According to you CP belongs in PvE? Well, why are people allowed to use proc sets in PvP then hm?
gtfo with your "balance"
CP campaigns are by definition and design, inherently, demonstrably, and irrefutably unbalanced unless every single player has equal CP. Newsflash: zero = zero. So if you think CP is more balanced than noCP, congratulations, your comments are literally and empirically invalid and we thinking posters can safelyignore them. Thanks /gtfo /thread
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✭As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.1 -
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✭As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
Dude 840 viper proc? What game are u playing?
I have 28k resist on both bars on my stam dk physical and spell and i never seen a viper proc under 2k..
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
Dude 840 viper proc? What game are u playing?
I have 28k resist on both bars on my stam dk physical and spell and i never seen a viper proc under 2k..
Nice try tho
Bad players die to procs, this thread is just an exercise in getting schooled: CP players without their CP are learning they're probably in the bad players camp and can't cope without spouting nonsense on the forums.Edited by Drakkdjinn on June 29, 2017 9:17PM1 -
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✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
Dude 840 viper proc? What game are u playing?
I have 28k resist on both bars on my stam dk physical and spell and i never seen a viper proc under 2k..
Nice try tho
Bad players die to procs, this thread is just an exercise in getting schooled: CP players without their CP are learning they're probably in the bad players camp and can't cope without spouting nonsense on the forums.
Thats funny us experienced pvp players feel the opposite.. you must be in the no skill category with proc sets in non cp xD.1 -
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
Dude 840 viper proc? What game are u playing?
I have 28k resist on both bars on my stam dk physical and spell and i never seen a viper proc under 2k..
Nice try tho
Bad players die to procs, this thread is just an exercise in getting schooled: CP players without their CP are learning they're probably in the bad players camp and can't cope without spouting nonsense on the forums.
Thats funny us experienced pvp players feel the opposite.. you must be in the no skill category with proc sets in non cp xD.
You are also failing to realize im not asking for proc set nerfs .. learn to read and you will know my actual complaint which is we have no option for cp battlegrounds.. and thousands of players agree. And again nobody is saying remove non cp so ya..0 -
Venom4You✭✭✭No CP is and has always been more balanced than CP. Playing with CP allowed players to go for pure burst builds, using only spell dmg/ wp dmg enchants and two 5-piece sets that focus on dmg - CP will take care of your sustain. Even now after the removal of reduced cost its still possible to go full burst on a CP campaign.
If one wants to be able to fight (I don't include ganking here) on no CP, one has always needed 1 sustain 5 - piece set and at least one or even two reduced cost/recovery glyphs to be able to sustain a long fight.
For all the proctard stam NBs out there... I really hope proc sets will be eradicated in an upcoming patch. They broke this game and like the initiator of this thread states, are even stronger on no CP. In my eyes I pledge for removing CP completely from PVP in this game while adressing proc sets (CHANGING the way they work) in a way they don't recover from. Since they announced their introduction, the idea of RNGesuz being able to influence direct dmg output without the player actually being directly responsible for it, just seemed crazy to me.
No CP -> Better and easier balance of sets and builds, but PLS kill off the BLOODY PROC SETS. Honestly noone asked for them and everyone was doing fine without them before their introduction.Edited by Venom4You on June 29, 2017 11:38PMAka Crowley
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mwo1480✭✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I'm doing alright. Only proc set I'm using is Troll King.
just looking at the player names , u can see u play either ps4 or xbox xD (yours cool and normal tho, sounds pc)eu/pc
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mwo1480✭✭✭✭i agree with the thread maker,
playing cyro or bg doesnt feels balanced
we really need a cp bg, (but think it will come as u have to pick non cp atm)
cyro also need a 7 day cp campain again, only cp campain we have now is always full and laggy, as there are so many who rather play cp thn non cp
sure zos has their reason for making pvp mostly non cp
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✭Um, you realize that ZOS are only weeks after REMOVING CP stars, REDUCING the effectiveness of stars, ADDING more counter stars, and WEIGHTING them so people spread them out??! Tell me again about these people who believed they were "balanced"!!??
Now answer this, do you believe, before players have 1500 CP to spend, that ZOS will never again need to RE-BALANCE CP?
Granted, CP aren't as big an issue as they were pre-patch, and maybe ZOS's greatest minds have really nailed it this time. But what should they have done? Allowed for an un-tried and un-tested CP system to be the basis of PvP whilst we tested it!!
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✭Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.
Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.
The thing is, in no CP environment, 1vXers will probably still 1vX. So... this is not true at all. 1vXers actually will have easier time killing you than you killing them.
Also, No CP 3 way fight not lagging doesn't mean anything if it is not similarly sized to CP counterpart. Because CP campaign is constantly full with queues through out the prime time into Asia/Pacific/Oceanic prime time unlike Non-CP 30 days campaign, at least in PC NA. Zerg vs zerg fights are at least a full raid and half against the similar size on 2-3 different places simultaenously. Besides, ZOS even said that there was basically no difference at all in terms of performance of the servers. I enjoy both but I will choose CP for being more of my paced gameplay and for more action and less riding. I did not enter pvp campaigns just to play horse simulator after all.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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I remember lowbies crying on forums that it's CP that makes them pwned in PvP. I also remember myself telling them that if they are bad - even if they were high-CP they would still get their arses kicked badly. But they cried so loudly that ZOS listened. And now we have this... Feels good to drop that "I told you" phrase sometimes.Ihatenightblades wrote: »Remember when people said non cp pvp is more balanced? LOL
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✭As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
yawn. DPS is not applicable for pvp. 840 DPS? WHo cares? It takes 1-2 second and viper to proc together with tremor scale or selene. Adapt what? How? Go tank and not have any damage? My build is already adapted for all the sustain nerf. But proc builds don't care about sustain. My crit resistance is like 3k - all impen pieces + transmutation buff. Yet I take tons of damage. Oh but maybe you meant to say that LA shouldnt' exist in pvp unless you're a tanky class, right? Adapt as a mnb = go heavy and be useless but don't die? Btw no, used my 5H build in the beginning of morrowind. Not helpful at all. And don't you bring up skoria and grothdar. Those are monster sets. I asked about 5 piece sets so I can have 3 proc sets at once, like stamina build. Also, grothdar is not burst damage. It's just an aoe dot - it's visible too, can escape.
Oh and no, I am not talking about NBs or even ganks. I'm talking about any stam build using them and people just spamming attacks in your face when you have all defense up - like 4 hots + healing ward. This is BS. How much skill do you need to counter simple spam? And no, I do kill some of those players - the bad ones. Any decent player will leave you absolutely no chance. You die in a couple GCD - not enough time to do anything in most cases.
p.s. I know a cool solution. Add a set that returns all damage to an attacker if you take X damage in 2 seconds. That'd be fun to see.0 -
Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭They tried to balance the game round cp for ages and now they change them extremely or just removed them from most pvp parts.
What did they expect?
Now you have the stupid mess, which they can try to balance with the next patch in 3 month (and second balance patch in 6month). It didn't help that they completely ignore most of the feedback of the closed beta forum.
Same goes for pve.
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✭As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
yawn. DPS is not applicable for pvp. 840 DPS? WHo cares? It takes 1-2 second and viper to proc together with tremor scale or selene. Adapt what? How? Go tank and not have any damage? My build is already adapted for all the sustain nerf. But proc builds don't care about sustain. My crit resistance is like 3k - all impen pieces + transmutation buff. Yet I take tons of damage. Oh but maybe you meant to say that LA shouldnt' exist in pvp unless you're a tanky class, right? Adapt as a mnb = go heavy and be useless but don't die? Btw no, used my 5H build in the beginning of morrowind. Not helpful at all. And don't you bring up skoria and grothdar. Those are monster sets. I asked about 5 piece sets so I can have 3 proc sets at once, like stamina build. Also, grothdar is not burst damage. It's just an aoe dot - it's visible too, can escape.
Oh and no, I am not talking about NBs or even ganks. I'm talking about any stam build using them and people just spamming attacks in your face when you have all defense up - like 4 hots + healing ward. This is BS. How much skill do you need to counter simple spam? And no, I do kill some of those players - the bad ones. Any decent player will leave you absolutely no chance. You die in a couple GCD - not enough time to do anything in most cases.
p.s. I know a cool solution. Add a set that returns all damage to an attacker if you take X damage in 2 seconds. That'd be fun to see.
This post isnt about nerfing proc sets clearly if u have 3k crit resis you are dumping too much cp into resistance that can go into reduce direct damage and phycial and spell.
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »As someone with max CP, I have to say I like non-CP campaigns better. The proc sets may or may not be an issue in BGs(I havent played there yet) but they arent in Cyrodiil in general. In non-CP you actually have to play better to survive. Siege hits harder, you have fewer resources, etc. At the same time though it doesnt matter because your enemies are facing the exact same restrictions you are. I understand having ground out 630+ CP. You want to be able to use that CP....but if you are honest with yourself, what you really want is to use your CP to gain an advantage over your lower CP enemy. Non-CP campaigns take that advantage away entirely so you really are reduced to player skill. Proc sets are neither here nor there...anyone can use them and equalize the "burst" playing field, or choose to use something else that is more generally useful. Let them kill CP in PvP entirely, it will only help.
nonsense. How can anyone use them? What is the viper set for magicka? What I would really use CP for is to be able to survive against procs. No one cares about CP of others. But when surprise attack spam kills me with all heals and shields up - that's a problem. Spam is too much of a word, it took just a few hits.
But yeah, no choice. Have to play no cp because battlegrounds are no cp.
If you are constantly being killed by Viper procs, maybe you should use some resist poison enchants. Do you not use Magicka Proc sets? Ilambris? Grothdar? Skoria? You are complaining about being ganked and dying in a few hits? That has ALWAYS been the case, proc sets or no. If you are dying too fast...increase your survivability with heavy armor, resistance glyphs, maybe a shield play enchant. There are things you can do. What you really want is to not have to adapt your build to whatever the meta currently is, you would rather just complain until they adapt the meta to your build. Viper deals 3360(battle spirit debuff applied) damage in PvP every 4 seconds...or a whopping 840 DPS non crit. If you are taking more damage than that from it, you need to increase your crit resistance, poison resistance, or both. 840 DPS non-crit just does not seem OP to me. In other words, its really not the viper proc that is killing you, its that you have a squishy build. Strategic blocking will also do wonders. I die in PvP quite often, its PvP, it happens, nerfing procs wont change that. Whats the next thing you are going to complain about to get it nerfed? So a nightblade was able to kill you...no big deal, nightblades are squishy...you rez and go back and kill him next time. If you think PvP isnt going to be dangerous and tough to survive...well, I am not sure what game you have been playing.
yawn. DPS is not applicable for pvp. 840 DPS? WHo cares? It takes 1-2 second and viper to proc together with tremor scale or selene. Adapt what? How? Go tank and not have any damage? My build is already adapted for all the sustain nerf. But proc builds don't care about sustain. My crit resistance is like 3k - all impen pieces + transmutation buff. Yet I take tons of damage. Oh but maybe you meant to say that LA shouldnt' exist in pvp unless you're a tanky class, right? Adapt as a mnb = go heavy and be useless but don't die? Btw no, used my 5H build in the beginning of morrowind. Not helpful at all. And don't you bring up skoria and grothdar. Those are monster sets. I asked about 5 piece sets so I can have 3 proc sets at once, like stamina build. Also, grothdar is not burst damage. It's just an aoe dot - it's visible too, can escape.
Oh and no, I am not talking about NBs or even ganks. I'm talking about any stam build using them and people just spamming attacks in your face when you have all defense up - like 4 hots + healing ward. This is BS. How much skill do you need to counter simple spam? And no, I do kill some of those players - the bad ones. Any decent player will leave you absolutely no chance. You die in a couple GCD - not enough time to do anything in most cases.
p.s. I know a cool solution. Add a set that returns all damage to an attacker if you take X damage in 2 seconds. That'd be fun to see.
This post isnt about nerfing proc sets clearly if u have 3k crit resis you are dumping too much cp into resistance that can go into reduce direct damage and phycial/spell
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ExcaliburESO✭✭✭✭The op is trolling us , non cp is way more balanced then cp (if bgs would have cp enabled it would be just ....) the cp is unbalanced cuz everyone has everything all together dmg healing resources... it would be again 10 min duels in bgs.. On no cp u can kill someone fast if u doing it right unless its a templar or dk tank.
In my opinion cp should be removed totally from the game and proc sets ajusted for no cp.
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✭✭✭CP PvP is way more balanced for Solo, per example if you put 5 max CP players against me in CP PvP I can probably win if I play my cards very well but if you 2 cp 300 with purple gear against me in no CP I will struggle like I am fighting a zerg.
Seems to me that no CP is more balanced than.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
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✭✭@Ihatenightblades i agree. Personally i want cloak out of the game, it has no place in a game like this, but thats another story. Really its just broken, there is no balance between non cp to cp, pvp to pve, vet players to newer players. This needs to be balanced with a battle spirit type thing. Proc set damage getting reduced in non cp or something. I mean anything is better than this. And to top it all off, I think proc sets are critically hitting again. Could be wrong but ive been hit by 2k-5k viper procs by the same person in the same bg match. i dont know what makes it change that much, and it was changing on every recap.
Also, I think CP BGs is coming next update but who knows when that is. And you hit the nail on the head. I have like 750 cp and i played a lot to get it, i want to use it in the game mode i paid 40 bucks for when i am already a damn eso plus member and should have gotten the content with my eso plus (but again thats another story). Now if i dont wanna get ripped by cancer blades i have to play certain builds. Restricted again. But even then no build is safe when your caught at the wrong time.0 -
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✭ExcaliburESO wrote: »The op is trolling us , non cp is way more balanced then cp (if bgs would have cp enabled it would be just ....) the cp is unbalanced cuz everyone has everything all together dmg healing resources... it would be again 10 min duels in bgs.. On no cp u can kill someone fast if u doing it right unless its a templar or dk tank.
In my opinion cp should be removed totally from the game and proc sets ajusted for no cp.
Cp is more balance because zos tried to balance everything around cp. Proc sets, cost inc and almost all ultis are op in no cp. Also you can't use cp to balance the weakness of your class.
But i understand why they did it is way harder to balance cp than no cp setups .
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✭Knootewoot wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Like i said non cp is a joke and every non cp build is viper selenes.. and with no cp its hard to mitigate so much damage.
How bout you give us this new game mode we payed 40$ WITH CP in it..
As a CP 830 why on earth would i want to play a game mode where all cp is removed and my sets are useless since 90% of the game CP is included.
Who came up with the idea to not give the option to use CP in BG lol come on ..
And btw i made a similar thread before and everyone bashed me saying non cp is more balanced..
Nonsense. I play non-CP and do not wear proc sets. But the main reason I play no-cp is because it's almost lag free. Compared to CP it's a feast.
No CP has nothing to do with lag ZOS has made that statement... you do not have the giant lag guilds that vivec has...PVP DEADWAIT
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Big fat LOL to them CP players publishing 1vX videos where they crush 200 CP potatoes and complaining about the lack of balance in noCP PvP.
Not so many 1vXing videos in noCP PvP, I wonder how related to "balance" that may be.
Don't generalize tho, is not because some "1vXrs" upload videos destroying scrubs with 200cp that we all do it.
You can't 1vX in no cp, you can't solo PvP and a fight against 2 opponents no matter how good you are it will be very hard to win, proc sets and poisons are also making it way harder to solo.
No CP is only for zerg players and I think no one can disagree, Small-scale and Solo are pretty much dead on those, Solo is completely dead and impossible.
CP PvP is way more balanced for Solo, per example if you put 5 max CP players against me in CP PvP I can probably win if I play my cards very well but if you 2 cp 300 with purple gear against me in no CP I will struggle like I am fighting a zerg.
You know me im against non cp pvp BUT i have to disagree with you non cp is more possible to 1vx than cp pvp.
But either way 1vx has NOTHING to do with balance. To successfully 1vx you have to be better than all the players you are 1vx'ing which is kinda rare.
And also 1vx isnt even a realistic thing unless the people you ate fighting are really average to below average.
If you 1vx 5 cp630's with descent skill than you are an elite player. I happened to only ever 1vx a full cp630 group once. But i dont make bomb builds or strictly 1vx builds.
I've been doing 1vX for 2 years, only 1vX nothing else, I 1vXd dromathra destroyers and once 3 Flawless Conquerrors at the same time, like I said to the other guy, don't generalize because I am not the only one and there's 4 godlike players on my platform who can 1vX players who are top PvP players and Top Trials.
Most of the 1vX are against noobs but because this game is crowded of noobs and there's nothing you can do but it happens on a daily basis to 1vX fully cp players with gold gear and rank +30 in PvP.
My platform is also "special" here the best players don't even touch each other and there's guild who are feared by entire zergs, they see 1 tabard and they all enter inside the keep, what makes you won most of the 1vX against good players is the fear, if your name is big enough on your platform and your guild too the people you fighting gets nervous very fast and you can notice how they are lost while you are completely focused on the fight.Knootewoot wrote: »CP PvP is way more balanced for Solo, per example if you put 5 max CP players against me in CP PvP I can probably win if I play my cards very well but if you 2 cp 300 with purple gear against me in no CP I will struggle like I am fighting a zerg.
Seems to me that no CP is more balanced than.
It is not, that's my main point, while a very good player who deserves to win due to his skill and knowledge of the mechanics, passives and tactic even against 5 players who are max CP, with PvP knowledge and very good gear, in no CP you are not being rewarded and a player can just do light attacks on you and kill you without putting any effort or exploiting any mechanics like dodge rolling, bashing, self buff, self healing, ect...
So players like me who are used to use every single skill on our bar, any single mechanic, any single reflex to dodge roll or bash someone at the right moment is getting punished and that's a big issue, but we are not the majority so of course no one cares but we do and we know that Zenimax is tired of people like us who go solo and kill groups.
No CP, poisons, proc sets and sets like Reactive promotes no skill playstyle and I don't think it's fair, but at this point what is fair?K1 The Big Monkey0