Stopnaggin wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Now tell me, who gonna buy crafting stations for a house, and then run from it to a nearest bank?( And most of the houses are in the middle of nowhere ), this is just low.

People who subscribe to ESO+ and have access to Crafting Bag. There is nothing wrong in playing the game for free after spending mighty 20$ while it was on sale. But it also makes sense that people who pay money and support the game get a little more QoL features.

I bought this game as Imperial edition, when it definitely wasn't on sell. But thats not the point.
Considering your all beloved crafting bag, it`s USELESS.
I don`t craft on my main character, and all my mats are on " mule ". I simply have no reason to use that bag. Totally waste of click. And to give armors, weapons and etc I still need to go to bank, put everything there, then log in on other character, take that and go to stations. Kinda alot of running/loading right?
So, after buying a house, doing all needed craft stations, you discover that...ohh you wasted alot of gold, but know what? You still need to run to town, since were smartpants, and gonna bill you about 2/4 price of the game for a bank for your house, that cant even acces guild bank. YAY!
Seems legit.

Well, you know you don't have to be here, right? And noone promised that you can live inside your house and never leave. Actually the devs made everything to make sure it does not happen. Dead cities and everyone by themselves inside their house is not a good description of an MMO.

Then why add all mundus stones,crafting stations, crafting stations that copy bonus sets and a ability to add ONLY crown store bank to your house?
Doesn`t it kinda show`s a hole in your logic, about "making sure. that cities aren`t dead " .
Don`t eat a rotten tomato, if some dude said it`s tasty.

They made house that has everything you need, but limited 1 central thing to real life cash. Basically making everything useless. Srsly if I could get my gold back from house, I wouldn't even think twice.
Using town bank, stations are faster then my own house where all stations are damn next to each other, so you almoust don`t need to move to access them.

Then why did you spend it in the first place. Whining like a petulant child isn't going to solve your problem. People paid real money for QOL improvments. You don't like that then you don't have to buy them, and then you can do all the running around that you seem to complain about. It's not hard logic, rlm = QoL improvment. Free player no = QoL .

For the life of me I can not understand the logic behind people saying how bad the game is and how they monitor it so bad, but yet your still here. I've spent over a grand since launch and haven't complained about anything until this season crates. Some peoplease complain just to complain. It's not like the banker, merchant or housing was some sort of bait and switch. You knew what you were getting.

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

This isn't p2w.

And if you sub or buy crates you have the crowns to buy him.

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Considering your all beloved crafting bag, it`s USELESS.

The Crafting bag is an amazing QoL feature. You never have to think about the crap you're picking up for crafting. Just grab it and go.

Also, if you're crafting, you can always leave everything you need in your bank. The crafting stations (even the ones in your home) can pull from your bank.

Already doing that, don`t see any reason to get that bag.
And I dont need to keep most of crafting mats in bank too, like I said. I have crafting mule that only purpuse of existence is to keep all mats in this bag, and craft/deconstruct/enchant whatever i want.

And like I said 3 times already. To give him armors/ weapons and etc to deconstuct/research from my main, I need to take that " mule " to city bank, after that why I need to go back to my house? Thats pointless, since im already in the city...lack of personal bank inside house just removes any logical reason in buying stations inside it...it`s easier to use town ones.

Magdalina wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

asa67dragoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Now tell me, who gonna buy crafting stations for a house, and then run from it to a nearest bank?( And most of the houses are in the middle of nowhere ), this is just low.

People who subscribe to ESO+ and have access to Crafting Bag. There is nothing wrong in playing the game for free after spending mighty 20$ while it was on sale. But it also makes sense that people who pay money and support the game get a little more QoL features.

I bought this game as Imperial edition, when it definitely wasn't on sell. But thats not the point.
Considering your all beloved crafting bag, it`s USELESS.
I don`t craft on my main character, and all my mats are on " mule ". I simply have no reason to use that bag. Totally waste of click. And to give armors, weapons and etc I still need to go to bank, put everything there, then log in on other character, take that and go to stations. Kinda alot of running/loading right?

Wut? What are you talking about? Craft bag is available for all characters, just like bank, except it's always with you. It automatically withdraws and deposits any crafting material you need/get from/in there.

Bank is also available for all characters while crafting iirc so I have no idea why you're making your poor main and alt run back and forth instead of keeping crafting mats in the bank and simply crafting. Only reason to visit bank, even without crafting bag, is to deposit mats you get from deconstructing/farming, not withdraw them. Well also deposit gear if you need/have space.

There're a lot of things to bash ZOS for, but at least get your facts straight before doing so.

Read my post more carefully. I`m tired of " copy-pasting" this to everyone, who didn`t have time to read what I replied to others.

1) This bag is useless, I will say that alot more times.
It`s not useless, only for those, who craft and play on same characters. In my case, I don`t. Im leaving alot of skill points free that way. My " mules " handles everything in craft bar, so basically he doesn`t go anywhere other then stations or bank. He doesn`t even have a single attack skill or even weapons. Because I use him ONLY for crafting, and well he has almost maxed bag, so whats the point of that "crafting bag " If I can`t " fill " even his regular one? Right NONE. So stop arguing about it. No everyone finds that bag useful.

2) Bank is available for every character? I didn`t argue about it, I said that giving alts gear/armor and etc-etc to research, deconstruct requires bank. right? So, a " crafting mule " needs access to bank, for taking them, it`s logical right?
Soo, now we return to our thread. Zos gived us option to get all regular stations and set stations, inside bought house, BUT this " way " people still need to run to town and collect everything ( not mats) from bank.
And here comes a question, why in kwama name anyone needs to spend tons of gold/crows to make a crafting haven from personal house, while he still needs to go to town? In this game you can teleport to nearly anywhere, so going to small town that has bank and stations and what comes to mind? Right, you don`t need a house since it`s not efficient or convenient.
This would be one thing, just bad design in that " expansion ", but hey they added option to put a bank here, for 5k crowns, again thats great news yea?
Well it could be...if that thing didn`t cost almost the same price as 4 DLCs bought together or upgrading account to morrowind expansion.
Or you wanna tell me, that a bank with limited functions should cost same as 4 DLCs with dungeons, actual voice recordings, locations, items, quests?
But since im 100% sure, that nobody will read anything in the middle again. I will repeat, doing crafting house, without option to store items there or access bank, is completely pointless, since small towns in this game do better job at it.

Okay I read the middle.

Okay you have a mule who doesn't even use all his inventory so that's why you dont sub because you don't need the craft bag. Fine.

The one thing you need to make housing convenient is the banker. That's the only thing. Don't you think it is smart business to make the ONE thing you desire most cost money?

You can have it all in this game for the base price. You can choose to craft with a mule the way you want. but the one thing that will improve your game is the convenience of the personal banker. That is the reason it costs money: you don't need it, you want it. You can do the entire game without the banker no restrictions. Before housing you were able to craft with this mule so it's not like housing was necessary for your preferred method. It's not p2w if you can do all the things without the personal banker.

It seems like you haven't spent a dime on this game as far as subscription or crowns. It seems like you want the base price you paid for the Imperial edition to cover all their server costs and business costs forever. That's your prerogative to not spend money on the game. And it's a business's prerogative to charge money for convenience. It turns out Zos isn't as dumb as some people like to think. They know the banker is desirable.

I don`t mind them selling things in shop or having subreption, it`s fine by me.
I`m not spending alot here for reason.

Crates - nothing of interest for me in them, i`m not fan of " random ", so trying to get a a little more then mediocre mount is kinda...not " striking " my strings.
Costumes - Well, for my tastes they just ugly, not gonna wear them even for free.
Motifs - already have every motif that I wanted
DLC - reasonable price, perfectly fine with them
House/house items - some are arguable, but still most of it are fine with me too.
Race,name and etc changers - I`m fine with them
Subscription - Well, there is 3 reasons to buy them 1) DLC access, 2) Craft bag, 3) House limits increase
We already know, that I don`t need craft bag, house limits are useless for me too, since I don`t even teleport in my house anymore, because using town is better, so pointless to decorate it further. And I don`t have problem accessing DLCs, so basically tell me atleast 2 good reasons for sub.

Honestly can`t remember anything more from shop..Since it didn`t my eye completely. I don`t want most of it even as free item.
My frustration( And I really hope, that im not alone in here ), is this " bank " npc thing. I don`t need portable version, i don`t care about him. I just need it in house, nothing more. If there was alternative ways of getting it via craft, or just chest that can fit some amount of items, this thread wouldn`t even exist. Even if this NPC would be in reasonable price range, it would be understandable.
But they didn`t give alternatives, they didn`t give other paths or versions, no. They made what people wanted, but hided it behind major paywall.
Bank with limited functions shouldn`t cost same as 4 DLCs with dungeons, actual voice recordings, locations, items, quests.
Even smuggler goes as " free" bonus in Thief guild DLC...and that DLC is almoust 2 times cheaper then bank/shop.
Thats just....argh