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Remember when people said non cp pvp is more balanced? LOL
Ihatenightblades
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Like i said non cp is a joke and every non cp build is viper selenes.. and with no cp its hard to mitigate so much damage.
How bout you give us this new game mode we payed 40$ WITH CP in it..
As a CP 830 why on earth would i want to play a game mode where all cp is removed and my sets are useless since 90% of the game CP is included.
Who came up with the idea to not give the option to use CP in BG lol come on ..
And btw i made a similar thread before and everyone bashed me saying non cp is more balanced..
Non cp pvp is for scrubs who barely started playing the game and want to be up to par with people who played longer.
And i dare anyone think they can beat me with a stam nightblade in non cp while i use
Shadow walker
Viper
Selenes
You wont see me and when you do its me coming in for my 3 punch combo then back to cloak lol then rinse and repeat... tri pots plus gold food in non cp with the build i said is unstoppable and thats why 80% of people use it in non cp bg.
Sorry these are #Facts
Edited by Ihatenightblades on June 30, 2017 1:14AM How bout you give us this new game mode we payed 40$ WITH CP in it..
As a CP 830 why on earth would i want to play a game mode where all cp is removed and my sets are useless since 90% of the game CP is included.
Who came up with the idea to not give the option to use CP in BG lol come on ..
And btw i made a similar thread before and everyone bashed me saying non cp is more balanced..
Non cp pvp is for scrubs who barely started playing the game and want to be up to par with people who played longer.
And i dare anyone think they can beat me with a stam nightblade in non cp while i use
Shadow walker
Viper
Selenes
You wont see me and when you do its me coming in for my 3 punch combo then back to cloak lol then rinse and repeat... tri pots plus gold food in non cp with the build i said is unstoppable and thats why 80% of people use it in non cp bg.
Sorry these are #Facts
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✭I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭✭✭✭✭They need to separate PVE and PVP so they can adjust one without taking a dump on the other.42 -
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✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?
That happened for a week but the results where that CP don't really affect lag that much.
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✭✭✭✭✭I wanted to do a little PvP last night, but both Vivec and Shor were OVERFLOWING, so instead I went into Almalexia, (one of the no CP and the only one with any bars of Pop), but of course, the AD had dominated the map and were steamrolling any kind of force my faction could muster. I rage quit out after I and 2 or 3 others failed defending our last scroll from a zerg of at least a dozen. I managed to defeat one player here and there but majority of the time the fights felt even more one sided than if we had CP active.
I'm sure ZOS adding those new PvP sets that deal daedric damage, the kind that cannot be mitigated, definitely made things worse.Edited by ArchMikem on June 28, 2017 1:26AMCP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭ZOS is trying to make all pvp non cp as a way to draw new players in.
Treating the real end-game as a sales feature to new players is breaking the game.Edited by KingYogi415 on June 28, 2017 7:16AM12 -
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✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?
That happened for a week but the results where that CP don't really affect lag that much.
That's what some people think, but I've heard no analysis on the data by ZOS. Considering how things have shifted, I would think it was otherwise. Can you provide a link supporting what you say?
Btw OP, you seem to be confused. Proc sets are the joke, it just so happens that they are worse/more prevalent in no CP, or at least people claim. Idk, I'm not seeing what everyone else is.Edited by WhiteMage on June 28, 2017 2:06AMThe generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?7 -
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✭You don't have to favor one or the other to realize no cp pvp is alot more balanced than cp. Proc sets and poisons are a problem in no cp but they are a problem in cp pvp as well. Overall though no cp pvp has alot less balane problems8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »ZOS is trying to make all pvp non cp as a way to draw new player in.
Treating the game real end-game as a sales feature to new players is breaking the game.
That's not a smart way to bring in new players . Instantly death from proc sets and poison usually has the opposite effect .5 -
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✭I'm doing alright. Only proc set I'm using is Troll King.
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✭No cp is not more balanced. They balanced the skills based on cp. So certain builds got hit much harder than others in everything but vivec.4 -
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✭Different balance, not less, just different.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..7 -
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✭These threads crack me up, I mean how the hell do people still manage to bring themselves to display these levels of stupidity?
They are reducing CP PVP because CP is overpowered. What part of that is hard to understand? They trashed the VR ranks and replaced it with this, let it run amok for a long while as it literally gutted skilled PVP play, people CRIED THEIR EYES out on the forums about it.
So what, trash another end game progression system? I mean sure they can probably swing it with the cash they have but even filthy rich mmo companies hate having the admit once again they suck at balancing end game toons.
But some of you are acting as if you dont understand why this is happening. I mean if youre new fine but people screamed and cried about CP being OP in cyrodiil over and over and over and over and over on and on, and now you dont know why ZOS is promoting non CP PvP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU Edited by Malic on June 28, 2017 3:12AM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?
Everything you just said came from 1% developer comments and 99% wishful thinking on the forums. ZOS tried No CP week to see if there were any benefits, but there was never any statement that it did any good.
Also, there are a LOT of whining noobs on the forums who are too lazy to grind CP, and these people are relentless about forcing No CP on the rest of us. Those people latched onto the "No CP reduces lag" bandwagon because it fits their agenda.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE5 -
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✭So... proc sets are still broken, CP is balanced?
pfff, hahaha. As a player with max cp, it makes me laugh every time people cry for more and more, let me use my cp here, and there, and alwaaaays! Let me crush the little nooblings!!!If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].11 -
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✭✭The concept of trying to 'balance' PVP is nonsense - it cannot be balanced unless everyone goes in with the same gear set to the same level and relies purely on skill to win. But let's face it, If you have gone and farmed for good gear and run vMA to get your sharpened weapon/s, are you going to want to give that away in favor of an even contest - no.
Current changes were made because someone with BiS gear and weapons but only 200cp might be getting slaughtered by someone else who has 600cp and they simply blame CP. I am from the other side, at cp cap getting beaten by someone with say 100cp - should I expect them to nerf weapons, proc sets and whatever abilities the other guy was using?
The only response I'd get to that on this forum would likely be 'git gud' or 'L2P'.
I never really liked PVP because I don't go 'BiS' gear and weapons, don't learn rotations (old dogs are hard to train) and aren't quick with my reflexes, but without these you can only survive in decent sized groups. For me, all CP does is either allow my resource pools to last longer, so I stay alive longer, or help the other guy hit harder.
Even Kyne - non vet/non cp - is full of experienced players, continually rolling new toons, using the most suitable armour and weapons for their builds, blasting newer players away. It often doesn't matter whether your character is level 20 or 49, unless you are an experienced PVPer, the place is full of level 13's and 14's that can slaughter you.
The bottom line is, everyone who keeps getting beaten will want things changed to make it more 'balanced' and that just restarts the cycle.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭No cp is way better, proc sets are about to get nerfed, I run zero proc sets on a stam sorc and do fine.3 -
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✭Sounds like you need cp for a crutch. L2p? Keep Enjoying your lag filled cp cancer fest. I'll keep enjoying my lag free non cp which is much more balanced.Legacy of Kain
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?
Everything you just said came from 1% developer comments and 99% wishful thinking on the forums. ZOS tried No CP week to see if there were any benefits, but there was never any statement that it did any good.
Also, there are a LOT of whining noobs on the forums who are too lazy to grind CP, and these people are relentless about forcing No CP on the rest of us. Those people latched onto the "No CP reduces lag" bandwagon because it fits their agenda.
No it actually does reduce lag. I have never had lag on either azura or sotha sil. I used to Main true flame and the lag was horrendous. I did play the no cp week and didn't have any lag during that week.
Soooo in my own personal experience I don't experience lag in no cp. I believe Brian wheeler is correct that cp causes increased calculations resulting in lag. Seriously, why would he make that up? And why would we doubt him? He has the data.
This coming from someone who has 803 cps...because I have an adgenda...lol. If my agenda is to want to play in a lag free environment, at the expense of cps, gee, you got me!Edited by LegacyDM on June 28, 2017 5:29AMLegacy of Kain
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Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like you need cp for a crutch. L2p? Keep Enjoying your lag filled cp cancer fest. I'll keep enjoying my lag free non cp which is much more balanced.
Your "lag free non cp" is less laggy because it's dead, atleast on PC EU, no CP Campaigns are mostily dead and turned into Farmcampaigns.Anne Firehawk | Legate | Bringer of Light | Voice of Reason | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Magicka DK forever
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✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »ZOS is trying to make all pvp non cp as a way to draw new player in.
Treating the game real end-game as a sales feature to new players is breaking the game.
That's not a smart way to bring in new players . Instantly death from proc sets and poison usually has the opposite effect .
@Rohamad_Ali
Truth is procs are ZOS's way of "raising the floor." I don't see them going away anytime soon.
The irony is Procs in CP are not a problem. But procs in no-cp ruins the game for new players and vet players alike. ...
Every platform deserves the same respect xbox got with the extra CP 1-week camp. Instead we get herded into no CP camps so johny-2week can not feel to overwhelmed with the cp system.
WTB CP Battlegrounds $_$
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »ZOS is trying to make all pvp non cp as a way to draw new player in.
Treating the game real end-game as a sales feature to new players is breaking the game.
That's not a smart way to bring in new players . Instantly death from proc sets and poison usually has the opposite effect .
@Rohamad_Ali
Truth is procs are ZOS's way of "raising the floor." I don't see them going away anytime soon.
The irony is Procs in CP are not a problem. But procs in no-cp ruins the game for new players and vet players alike. ...
Every platform deserves the same respect xbox got with the extra CP 1-week camp. Instead we get herded into no CP camps so johny-2week can not feel to overwhelmed with the cp system.
WTB CP Battlegrounds $_$
Cheers!
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Makato✭✭✭The option to choose if you play cp or non cp should have been there , not for the balance *** cuz stupid builds are gonna be stupid on both ends ,but for the playstyle and preference of the player now with the current system of bg's i doubt they that there is gonna be a bg up all the time in terms of players so it would be a dumb thing to split em up .
So what about this : 1week non cp an the next cp those weeks would run togheter with the leaderboards and provide both sides a choice wether to compete in that week or not, i myself don't mind non cp but prefer cp pvp.
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭These threads crack me up, I mean how the hell do people still manage to bring themselves to display these levels of stupidity?
They are reducing CP PVP because CP is overpowered. What part of that is hard to understand? They trashed the VR ranks and replaced it with this, let it run amok for a long while as it literally gutted skilled PVP play, people CRIED THEIR EYES out on the forums about it.
So what, trash another end game progression system? I mean sure they can probably swing it with the cash they have but even filthy rich mmo companies hate having the admit once again they suck at balancing end game toons.
But some of you are acting as if you dont understand why this is happening. I mean if youre new fine but people screamed and cried about CP being OP in cyrodiil over and over and over and over and over on and on, and now you dont know why ZOS is promoting non CP PvP?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
Very nice logic for a pc player. If you ever played console you would see all non cp camps empty while the only cp camp has a 1O0+ Q every weeknight, 200+ weekend.
Players have voted with their time, the numbers have been there. ZOS chose to ignore them by forcing 18 bars of pop (scourge and haddy every weekend) into one server.
Not liking cp for battleground is your own issue. I think we should have both with real ranks and rewards.Edited by KingYogi415 on June 28, 2017 8:45AM6 -
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✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I could have sworn creating non-CP PvP scenarios had nothing to do with balance but was more about experimenting with remedying the lag issues.
I could be wrong, but the way I remember it, non-CP PvP was supposed to be a sort of experiment to see if not asking the server the do all the calculations that came with every ones' custom CP set-ups and bonuses and passives and whatnot would process faster and reduce lag in Cyrodiil PvP.
Was that ever a thing? Did I just make that up?
That happened for a week but the results where that CP don't really affect lag that much.
That's what some people think, but I've heard no analysis on the data by ZOS. Considering how things have shifted, I would think it was otherwise. Can you provide a link supporting what you say?
@WhiteMage I believe they mentioned that in the ESO live after the No CP event happened. You'll have to look that particular eso live up though I am afraid. I cannot do that right now. They should be up on their youtube channel or you can view past broadcoasts on TwitchEdited by LMar on June 28, 2017 9:47AM"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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✭Sounds like you need cp for a crutch. L2p? Keep Enjoying your lag filled cp cancer fest. I'll keep enjoying my lag free non cp which is much more balanced.
Yeah, give me lessons too, I think all of us CP players are very bad...
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✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Like i said non cp is a joke and every non cp build is viper selenes.. and with no cp its hard to mitigate so much damage.
How bout you give us this new game mode we payed 40$ WITH CP in it..
As a CP 830 why on earth would i want to play a game mode where all cp is removed and my sets are useless since 90% of the game CP is included.
Who came up with the idea to not give the option to use CP in BG lol come on ..
And btw i made a similar thread before and everyone bashed me saying non cp is more balanced..
Nonsense. I play non-CP and do not wear proc sets. But the main reason I play no-cp is because it's almost lag free. Compared to CP it's a feast.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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