casparian wrote: »

There's no such thing as "the best" and "the worst" in PVP. Any class, when properly built and used by a skilled player in the right situations, can excel. The trick is becoming that skilled player and learning to identify those right situations.

Regarding stamplar in particular, one issue is that there aren't very many YouTubers/streamers who main a stamplar in PVP. This leads to their reputation not getting boosted by streamer hype, unlike almost every other class. One reason for this is that until Homestead, stamplars really were underpowered, and they have never been the FOTM class, so running a stamplar has never been an easy way to get more views. The only full-time stamplar streamers I can think of are Rhage and dovetheangry, and they're both excellent players who could excel on any class.

Pretty much this. Stamplar isn't the best at anything. I've mained stamplar for over a year in PVP, and it's honestly my favorite class to solo/1vx on. You just need to build well and know the mechanics of your class & other classes to be successful with it. Another important thing to note is that it's sort of a high skill floor class, in the sense that getting used to using jabs and POTL takes time. Jabs leaves you completely open to damage, cc, etc and without major mending you need to be near 75% HP to guarantee a heal back to full if you get bursted during a set of jabs. POTL leaves a small window to for you to deal damage in order to build a strong burst, so you need to know how to set up for it and the exact amount of skills/channels/damage you can fit in during the buildup.

People liked to say stamplars were the meta when POTL got buffed, but that was never the case. What created this fallacy was that people would often see an 11-13k POTL on their death sheet as their killing blow - this is because when someone is getting xv1'd and they get POTL on them, EVERYONE'S damage gets copied and reflected at the end of the duration. In that sense, it was overperforming. However if the skill were to be fundamentally nerfed, it would be useless to the solo stamplar who must give 110% to actually earn a 10-13k POTL pop.

In terms of PvE, yeah I'm fairly certain stamplar still has the lowest "max DPS" (except maybe magwarden?). However that doesn't mean the suck for PvE! I use my stamplar to farm normal dungeons for sets & for running the dailies with pugs because I can be VERY survivable on that class, while healing and sustaining on repent AND dpsing.

Zardayne wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

There's no such thing as "the best" and "the worst" in PVP. Any class, when properly built and used by a skilled player in the right situations, can excel. The trick is becoming that skilled player and learning to identify those right situations.

Regarding stamplar in particular, one issue is that there aren't very many YouTubers/streamers who main a stamplar in PVP. This leads to their reputation not getting boosted by streamer hype, unlike almost every other class. One reason for this is that until Homestead, stamplars really were underpowered, and they have never been the FOTM class, so running a stamplar has never been an easy way to get more views. The only full-time stamplar streamers I can think of are Rhage and dovetheangry, and they're both excellent players who could excel on any class.

Pretty much this. Stamplar isn't the best at anything. I've mained stamplar for over a year in PVP, and it's honestly my favorite class to solo/1vx on. You just need to build well and know the mechanics of your class & other classes to be successful with it. Another important thing to note is that it's sort of a high skill floor class, in the sense that getting used to using jabs and POTL takes time. Jabs leaves you completely open to damage, cc, etc and without major mending you need to be near 75% HP to guarantee a heal back to full if you get bursted during a set of jabs. POTL leaves a small window to for you to deal damage in order to build a strong burst, so you need to know how to set up for it and the exact amount of skills/channels/damage you can fit in during the buildup.

People liked to say stamplars were the meta when POTL got buffed, but that was never the case. What created this fallacy was that people would often see an 11-13k POTL on their death sheet as their killing blow - this is because when someone is getting xv1'd and they get POTL on them, EVERYONE'S damage gets copied and reflected at the end of the duration. In that sense, it was overperforming. However if the skill were to be fundamentally nerfed, it would be useless to the solo stamplar who must give 110% to actually earn a 10-13k POTL pop.

In terms of PvE, yeah I'm fairly certain stamplar still has the lowest "max DPS" (except maybe magwarden?). However that doesn't mean the suck for PvE! I use my stamplar to farm normal dungeons for sets & for running the dailies with pugs because I can be VERY survivable on that class, while healing and sustaining on repent AND dpsing.

Liam, how do you feel a stamplar compares to a Stam warden? I play both and I'm still on the fence as to which one performs better in PVE and PVP.

I actually made and am playing a stam warden now too. Since I created it specifically to PVP on, I am still in the process of leveling dual wield and bow. However I spent a few days PVPing on it with 2h/S&B, and I have to say I was VERY pleased with performance.

I think the easiest way for me to compare the two is with pros and cons, so I'll do that (from a PVP perspective only)

Stamplar
Pros: Extended ritual (easily the strongest survival skill in the game), Undodgeable jabs (great for dealing with stamblades), has TWO strong counters to blocking (jabs for draining their stam & POTL for unblockable burst), Minor fracture (POTL), Decent healing, repentance for self stam sustain when solo/small scale, Strong burst potential and constant damage pressure, good all around passives except for dawns wrath tree, arguably one of the best CC's in the game is binding jav as it can be used both offensively and defensively

Cons: No major mending, the major ward & resolve & minor protect buff is a ground based rune you must touch every 8 seconds which can be tricky in fast paced combat, Jab damage can be nullified by players that stay right on top of you making it difficult to aim, NO class source of major fracture/breach (lacks penetration unless using ransack, can be compensated now with CP),

StamWarden
Pros: INSANE burst with both 2h and s&b (sub assault, cliff racer, crit rush, dawnbreaker or execute/ sub assault, cliff racer, shield charge, heavy attack>ransack>bash), easy accessible major mending for good healing, EXCELLENT self buffs (berserk, expedition, major ward/resolve/minor protect, savagery, major heroism, minor toughness), VERY strong passives, great self healing due to passives and access to stam burst heal (fungal growth) that procs major mending

Cons: Burst can be VERY Hard to line up and takes practice; can also be negated by enemies fairly easy, sustain can be difficult because most damage abilities are delayed, No class CC (for stam, magick has shalks), no cleanse, numerous buffs can be difficult to keep track of and maintain efficiently and takes time to refresh them all, Basically only has burst damage with no sustained DPS