Selene vs Tremor

EnglishTea123 · June 2017

Just curious. People absolutely hate other players using tremorscale, but I rarely see people complaining about selene when the latter does much more damage and can be triggered by variety of skills while tremor can only be triggered by taunt skills.

People complain that players who play tanky stam dk with tremor as the only dps have no skill, but what do yall think about cloak and roll dodge spam stamblades with 2.6k weapon damage--since they invest in resource recovery--and doing damages with selene and incap only? Just thought it curious how tremorscale has a nickname tumorscale but selene isn't considered as "cancerous". For me personally, both are annoying, but Selene, spam and roll dodge spamming stamblades are way more annoying lol

The Uninvited · June 2017

If ypu haven't seen people complaining about Selene, you haven't been on the forums long enough.

Glamdring · June 2017

never heard of proccblades? well, selene is included in that term. the hate is real

Gargath · June 2017

Selene gives one short and close animated damage, which is a strong advantage over many other animations like those magicka storms or asteroids, which are much more annoying and cancerous since they cover the target for long. I've never saw anyone complaining for Selene in the game and I think it's one of the most player-friendly sets, I use it on DW stamina templar along with Viper set. Very good dps.
No idea though what's wrong with Tremorscale and why the hate. By utilising taunt the set is designed for tanks only so when a tank use it, it's his choice, and if he does his tanky job fine, it's fine for me.

Buffler · June 2017

Selene is great as it procs off my eternal hunt mine which i lay down miles away lol.

I am a proctard! Dont hate the player, hate the game!

KingYogi415 · June 2017

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

EnglishTea123 · June 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

mehh... I mean, I find that stamblade has the easiest rotation with all things needed for PvP. Awesome CC, Major Defile with high damage coming from incap which has low ult requirement, high damage and reduce armor resist with surprise attack, gap close, cloak and teleport (shadow image), ult gen. Just gotta go 2h/bow with all the buffs but rally on bow bar, open with poison injection following heavy attack from stealth, bar swap and ambush, mass hysteria, medium to heavy attack followed by surprise and/or incap. rinse and repeat. Let's not forget the selene proc and viper proc, no need to run bi-stat or tri-stat food but drink for high regen, high crit chance. For me, personally, stamblade is the easiest class to play. I would actually say that builds that use tremor as the only dps is harder because you aren't/can't really do much damage with other skills because you most likely have invested more into health. Unless you're talking about people that use Tremor/Viper/Red Mountain. That's a different story.

GDOFWR420 · June 2017

EnglishTea123 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

mehh... I mean, I find that stamblade has the easiest rotation with all things needed for PvP. Awesome CC, Major Defile with high damage coming from incap which has low ult requirement, high damage and reduce armor resist with surprise attack, gap close, cloak and teleport (shadow image), ult gen. Just gotta go 2h/bow with all the buffs but rally on bow bar, open with poison injection following heavy attack from stealth, bar swap and ambush, mass hysteria, medium to heavy attack followed by surprise and/or incap. rinse and repeat. Let's not forget the selene proc and viper proc, no need to run bi-stat or tri-stat food but drink for high regen, high crit chance. For me, personally, stamblade is the easiest class to play. I would actually say that builds that use tremor as the only dps is harder because you aren't/can't really do much damage with other skills because you most likely have invested more into health. Unless you're talking about people that use Tremor/Viper/Red Mountain. That's a different story.

Been the victim of the nightblade gank many times, they either get you or they dont. But if their good youll die and only see him for a sec.

CyrusArya · June 2017

Tremor has a higher proc rate to the point that it's basically guaranteed every other cast, and also has that obnoxious snare attached to it. That is objectively why people hate it more. But I'll tell you why I personally hate it more. Because you use it with a sword and board. It's the mentality behind it that I find annoying, "let me hide behind a shield and spam puncture". How impressive. Glass cannon selene builds on the other hand are pretty bad ass and just don't come off lame like tremor builds. But I find sword and board to be lame in general so. Just my opinion.

In full disclosure, I don't have a problem with proc sets nor do I suffer to them as much as most forum whiners seem to. My only issue is when they are stacked. So I don't have an issue if someone uses tremor, I just think the set itself is lame in a pathetic but not an overpowered way.

ParaNostram · June 2017

Viper selene, viper tremor, tremor red mountain, it's all the same to me and it's all I see in BGs. A death without a proc in the recap is like an RNG drop that you actually like - good luck finding it.

Savos_Saren · June 2017

Fun fact about Tremorscale:

Having a hard time reaching that guy from afar? Smack him with Inner Beast. ::BOOM:: Tremorscale proc.

Balsagna · June 2017

These sets are going to be nerfed into the ground, it's only a matter of time.

Savos_Saren · June 2017

Side Note: I wanted to see how many "taunts" Tremorscale can procc off. Here they are:

Sword and Board: Puncture
Ice Destro Staff: Heavy Attack
Fighter's Guild skill: Inner Rage
The Tormentor Set: Any CHARGE ability. (Yes, I just tested this. It's actually pretty fun to watch a 2H crit rush proc Tremorscale)

Can anyone think of any other sets/skills that may procc Tremorscale?

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2017

jaburns wrote: »

The Tormentor Set: Any CHARGE ability. (Yes, I just tested this. It's actually pretty fun to watch a 2H crit rush proc Tremorscale)

Ambush spam xD i want so bad

FloppyTouch · June 2017

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Savos_Saren · June 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

The Tormentor Set: Any CHARGE ability. (Yes, I just tested this. It's actually pretty fun to watch a 2H crit rush proc Tremorscale)

Ambush spam xD i want so bad

I'm pretty sure Ambush is considered a "blink" ability. (Much like a Sorc's streak) I'll test it and let you know in a few minutes. I've got a bosmer stamblade that I can toss Tormentor and Tremorscale on.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

Now Yogi... We both know that all that NB's do is: Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Incapacitating Strike, and spam the execute. All the while hoping the combination of Selene and Viper enables just enough burst to kill their target. If said ganking attempt fails? Cloak, and or call for back-up like crazy.

It's been that since the beginning of time involving Nightblades. But if it is magicka-based...? Swap a few skills around for the magicka variants, Eye of the Storm, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, Sap Essence, etc. And basically suicide themselves in an attempt to wipe groups.

You see, I exclusively PvP as a MagDK just for the ridiculously high amount of Nightblades plaguing Cyrodiil alone. For every: Templar, Warden, and Dragonknights? There are 5 or so Nightblades. And for every Sorcerer, there are about 2 or 3 Nightblades. When you are a MagDK, and a NB tries ganking you? Bad things happen to them, and for good reason.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

Now Yogi... We both know that all that NB's do is: Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Incapacitating Strike, and spam the execute. All the while hoping the combination of Selene and Viper enables just enough burst to kill their target. If said ganking attempt fails? Cloak, and or call for back-up like crazy.

It's been that since the beginning of time involving Nightblades. But if it is magicka-based...? Swap a few skills around for the magicka variants, Eye of the Storm, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, Sap Essence, etc. And basically suicide themselves in an attempt to wipe groups.

You see, I exclusively PvP as a MagDK just for the ridiculously high amount of Nightblades plaguing Cyrodiil alone. For every: Templar, Warden, and Dragonknights? There are 5 or so Nightblades. And for every Sorcerer, there are about 2 or 3 Nightblades. When you are a MagDK, and a NB tries ganking you? Bad things happen to them, and for good reason.

Tbh everytime i come across a mag dk i do try to burst them but if i can't i get away easy enough.

What are nbs mean't to do? They have crap heals and cloak is how they manage to heal to fun within 6s...

Zvorgin · June 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Because no one fears the mDK burst so they just have pity and let use have our fun Skoria toy.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Zvorgin wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Because no one fears the mDK burst so they just have pity and let use have our fun Skoria toy.

I fear the mag dk burst, 3-4 dots + undodgable 18-20k leap toolitip into whip into undodgeable proc whip?

+ the undodablle 5k skoria.

Qbiken · June 2017

Tremoscale should be reworked so it´s impossible to "taunt" other players. In exchange the tooptip should/could be increased so it´s a little more viable in PvE situations.

The damage from Selenes should be lowered together with the proc-chance, and the set is "ok/fine-ish"

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

Now Yogi... We both know that all that NB's do is: Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Incapacitating Strike, and spam the execute. All the while hoping the combination of Selene and Viper enables just enough burst to kill their target. If said ganking attempt fails? Cloak, and or call for back-up like crazy.

It's been that since the beginning of time involving Nightblades. But if it is magicka-based...? Swap a few skills around for the magicka variants, Eye of the Storm, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, Sap Essence, etc. And basically suicide themselves in an attempt to wipe groups.

You see, I exclusively PvP as a MagDK just for the ridiculously high amount of Nightblades plaguing Cyrodiil alone. For every: Templar, Warden, and Dragonknights? There are 5 or so Nightblades. And for every Sorcerer, there are about 2 or 3 Nightblades. When you are a MagDK, and a NB tries ganking you? Bad things happen to them, and for good reason.

Tbh everytime i come across a mag dk i do try to burst them but if i can't i get away easy enough.

What are nbs mean't to do? They have crap heals and cloak is how they manage to heal to fun within 6s...

@leepalmer95 Fair enough point. Touché. xD

Also, it must've not been too good of a DK. Whenever a NB has tried ganking me, it's usually set in stone that they die right then and there. Right by the nearby tree, patch of grass, mount feces, etc. Where the NB leaped to, they will usually die at. Unless! Unless if they can animation cancel so good that everything hits me on my mount all within 1 second. Resulting in my character dying almost instantly. If the gank is survived...? Very bad things happen to that NB.

And I'm 1 of those persistent DK's too!? I will Talons, Deep Breath, Degeneration, Burning Embers, Fossilize, pop revealing potions, etc. to hunt that NB down and execute them. There aren't too many NB's that get off clean on failed ganking attempts on my MagDK. Because unlike PvP'ing with my StamDK, I'm most knowledgeable with PvP'ing with a MagDK. It's my PvP main. Lol.

Dyride · June 2017

Now that Dawnbreaker is dodgeable, you don't really have many options for burst for classes without Leap or Incap.

Sneaky-Snurr · June 2017

The Uninvited wrote: »

If ypu haven't seen people complaining about Selene, you haven't been on the forums long enough.

@the uninvited
OP joined the forums around April this year so I doubt he/she will know as much as longtime players.

ParaNostram · June 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Simple, battlegrounds favor stamina builds so we see the stamina cheese a lot more.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

NB's are 100 times harder to play then people who use tremor "as the only dps"

Now Yogi... We both know that all that NB's do is: Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Incapacitating Strike, and spam the execute. All the while hoping the combination of Selene and Viper enables just enough burst to kill their target. If said ganking attempt fails? Cloak, and or call for back-up like crazy.

It's been that since the beginning of time involving Nightblades. But if it is magicka-based...? Swap a few skills around for the magicka variants, Eye of the Storm, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, Sap Essence, etc. And basically suicide themselves in an attempt to wipe groups.

You see, I exclusively PvP as a MagDK just for the ridiculously high amount of Nightblades plaguing Cyrodiil alone. For every: Templar, Warden, and Dragonknights? There are 5 or so Nightblades. And for every Sorcerer, there are about 2 or 3 Nightblades. When you are a MagDK, and a NB tries ganking you? Bad things happen to them, and for good reason.

Tbh everytime i come across a mag dk i do try to burst them but if i can't i get away easy enough.

What are nbs mean't to do? They have crap heals and cloak is how they manage to heal to fun within 6s...

@leepalmer95 Fair enough point. Touché. xD

Also, it must've not been too good of a DK. Whenever a NB has tried ganking me, it's usually set in stone that they die right then and there. Right by the nearby tree, patch of grass, mount feces, etc. Where the NB leaped to, they will usually die at. Unless! Unless if they can animation cancel so good that everything hits me on my mount all within 1 second. Resulting in my character dying almost instantly. If the gank is survived...? Very bad things happen to that NB.

And I'm 1 of those persistent DK's too!? I will Talons, Deep Breath, Degeneration, Burning Embers, Fossilize, pop revealing potions, etc. to hunt that NB down and execute them. There aren't too many NB's that get off clean on failed ganking attempts on my MagDK. Because unlike PvP'ing with my StamDK, I'm most knowledgeable with PvP'ing with a MagDK. It's my PvP main. Lol.

Well to be fair most mag dk's i see usually fossilize then embers.

By that time i've already broke free and animation cancelling a vigor on my bow bar with a roll.

Then eternal hunt helps and i'm off with a cloak

leepalmer95 · June 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Simple, battlegrounds favor stamina builds so we see the stamina cheese a lot more.

In ctf maybe, but thats it.

Having a magplar on your team makes a big difference.

Having a good sorc on your team makes a big difference, cluch healing wards or resto ults while to take a beating? Or they curse + fury someone you aim at basically means they die.

Mag dk's hitting everything with dots + roots and snares waiting to leap them.

Mag builds do just fine in bg's.

ParaNostram · June 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Simple, battlegrounds favor stamina builds so we see the stamina cheese a lot more.

In ctf maybe, but thats it.

Having a magplar on your team makes a big difference.

Having a good sorc on your team makes a big difference, cluch healing wards or resto ults while to take a beating? Or they curse + fury someone you aim at basically means they die.

Mag dk's hitting everything with dots + roots and snares waiting to leap them.

Mag builds do just fine in bg's.

Oh I don't disagree in the hands of a skilled player mag builds are able to do just fine, but it's mostly the fact that if you only have enough stamina to CC break maybe once so don't do it at the wrong time.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Skoria does a lot of damage can't be dodge easy to proc on a mdk and I never hear people complaining about it but I'm okay with that.

On topic I hear people complaining about Selene all the time even though(when you can see it) you can dodge it

Simple, battlegrounds favor stamina builds so we see the stamina cheese a lot more.

In ctf maybe, but thats it.

Having a magplar on your team makes a big difference.

Having a good sorc on your team makes a big difference, cluch healing wards or resto ults while to take a beating? Or they curse + fury someone you aim at basically means they die.

Mag dk's hitting everything with dots + roots and snares waiting to leap them.

Mag builds do just fine in bg's.

Oh I don't disagree in the hands of a skilled player mag builds are able to do just fine, but it's mostly the fact that if you only have enough stamina to CC break maybe once so don't do it at the wrong time.

You have enough stamina to break free as many times as you build for it.

If you build for 10k stamina then yeah, if you don't use tri pots either etc...

If you build for 14/15k stamina or use a lot of tri glyphs and make use of tri pots you can break free 4/5 times on cooldown

If you don't build for some stamina regen sustain etc...

Shacklebreaker
Amberplasm

They are all good sets to deal with any stamina issues.