Alliance War system recommendation

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

I suggest that Alliances should only gain Campaign Points from resources/keeps/scrolls/Emperor/etc only when all 3 sides have maximum activity (locked Icon) or AT LEAST 3 lines of activity. May the best side win.
This change would address the problem of one side dominating the map during low activity, gaining nonsense points since there is no opposition.
Also we may change things in order for Emperors to be Crowned only during max activity. Personally I don't care if people cap the map during downtime and get emperor, I just dislike the fact that Campaigns are won by the Alliance which is active 24/7, not thanks to loyalty, but because of ill intended reasons and toon switching.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

That sounds completely convoluted and difficult to implement.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

It is worth investing in. When there is a will there is a way.

Is there a will to make Alliance War an aspect of them game in which 3 alliances fight for the top, or should we leave it as it is?

kargen27 · June 2017

Probably not a good idea. Someone pushing for Emp could be thwarted simply by others logging out.

Numbers have always been a part of war. Sheer numbers sometimes wins battles.

It wouldn't be fair to punish people who can't spend several hours a day in cyradiil just because they happen to be in game during a non peak time.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

You might be right about the EMP

However winning a Campaign should be playing better than the other 2 Alliances, not losing because the cap the map during downtime.

This is what I would like to be achieved. And I think that is the way to go.

MattT1988 · June 2017

I don't think that this would very fair to the people who can't play during 'peak hour'. Different time zones, work hours etc.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2017

Nope. This is a terrible idea. You're basically telling everyone who works nightshifts / late evening shifts that they can't take part in their alliance point-gains. At least on PC/EU. For PC/NA and other NA-servers I can imagine this being even harder to implement, as there are people from all over the world playing on that server.

Rather get rid of the Alliance system as a whole,not give anyone points at all and only keep the AP-leaderboards

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Fact is that alliances are being won by downtime map capping. Alliance War as a concept isn't working.

During peak hour in EU 30 Standard EP is beating both AD and DC. Maximum activity on all three sides.

Who is the winner of the campaign? Not EP which is the strongest Alliance, but AD which is capping the map on downtime.

@kargen27 Most of the people that get emperor are doing in during down time. Emperors should be Crowned during peak hour.

@MattT1988
@Lieblingsjunge

People that don't play during peak hour SHOULD NOT determine the winner of the Campaign by gaining Points without resistance.
The Alliance that beats the other two in actually confrontation SHOULD BE THE WINNER

I play on an extreme different time zone than the peak hour in EU but my first though wasn't "oh I can't win for EP by gathering my 5 friends and capping the map without resistance"
My concern is only the sorry state of Alliance War.

People can't have everything.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2017

So you're basically discriminating an entire group of people- based solemnly on their working hours? Nurses and doctors should stop treating patients at night / late evenings right? Firefighters should not be on duty throughout the night - have fun if your home burns to the ground.
That's pretty harsh. Of course they have a the rights to contribute to the alliance war victory equal to you.

I don't care at all about campaign-numbers. But discriminating someone based on their working hours is just wrong. The whole morning/night-cap for EU/PC is a player behaviour-issue anyway. If you want to see changes - start with changing the player behaviour.

Bonzodog01 · June 2017

For an even more extreme suggestion, how about an emp can only be crowned IF that alliance has all 6 districts of the Imperial city. So, to be emp, you need all inner forts, AND all 6 districts of the imperial city. Oh, and you must have at least your own two scrolls, and the three forts that secure the gates must be held by that alliance.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

So you're basically discriminating an entire group of people- based solemnly on their working hours? Nurses and doctors should stop treating patients at night / late evenings right? Firefighters should not be on duty throughout the night - have fun if your home burns to the ground.
That's pretty harsh. Of course they have a the rights to contribute to the alliance war victory equal to you.

I don't care at all about campaign-numbers. But discriminating someone based on their working hours is just wrong. The whole morning/night-cap for EU/PC is a player behaviour-issue anyway. If you want to see changes - start with changing the player behaviour.

Did you stop to think for a second that instead of 7 day campaigns, no CP campaigns, and under 50 lv campaigns, all the ALLIANCE WAR aspect of the game need is time zone activity servers?
If a problem needs to be address don't bring up the reasons why it must not happen. Work with what you can and improve.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

For an even more extreme suggestion, how about an emp can only be crowned IF that alliance has all 6 districts of the Imperial city. So, to be emp, you need all inner forts, AND all 6 districts of the imperial city. Oh, and you must have at least your own two scrolls, and the three forts that secure the gates must be held by that alliance.

At least you see the need for changes and you don't start with WHY IT CANNOT HAPPEN.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

So you're basically discriminating an entire group of people- based solemnly on their working hours? Nurses and doctors should stop treating patients at night / late evenings right? Firefighters should not be on duty throughout the night - have fun if your home burns to the ground.
That's pretty harsh. Of course they have a the rights to contribute to the alliance war victory equal to you.

I don't care at all about campaign-numbers. But discriminating someone based on their working hours is just wrong. The whole morning/night-cap for EU/PC is a player behaviour-issue anyway. If you want to see changes - start with changing the player behaviour.

Did you stop to think for a second that instead of 7 day campaigns, no CP campaigns, and under 50 lv campaigns, all the ALLIANCE WAR aspect of the game is time zone activity servers?
If a problem needs to be address don't bring up the reasons why it must not happen. Work with what you can and improve.

Time zone activity servers? How do you expect that to work out? You have more people playing in primetime than at 6 in the morning - although there are still players then. So you're saying that e.g. you limit "Sotha Sil" to give points from 14.00 - 20.00, Vivec from 20.00 - 00.00 and almalexia from 00.00-06.00 and then you have another server for noon/early afternoon?

Given how people advocate for "Campaign-Lock" "Alliance-lock", how do you expect this to work out if you work shifts? One week you work nights- one week day. How's that gonna work?

This is not a problem Zenimax should even bother addressing. This is purely a player behaviour problem, as I said.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

I am the one advocating for Campaign Lock or Alliance lock and even todays idea because I see that Alliance War is in a sorry mess.
You on the other hand act like everything is fine.
You don't want to attempt to improve anything.
You just find reasons not to change things rather than finding a way to make things better.

And because human behaviour will always be a problem there must be rules than cannot be ignored. Such rules that cannot be ignored are called mechanics.

Answer this and disregard any suggestions
Do u wanna make things work better?
If yes, can you suggest something in which the people can add and more forward?

@Lieblingsjunge

Lieblingsjunge · June 2017

You're not the only one, though. AW is in a terrible place, but it's been like that for ages. And that's the player's fault for abusing the system.

I'm not saying it can't be improved. You voiced your ideas publically on a forum, that's also called "General ESO Discussion". When you do that, you also need to expect people to disagree with you. And point out the flaws in your ideas. Your ideas so far are discriminating a group of people, which is not okay.

What they can do - is simply to include more objectives to spread the fights out. And calculate the score based on objectives and not keeps/resources. Add "Siege Carts" that carries supply for the fortresses. Or heck, even add Relics into the game. Those give points - just not let the keeps/resources give points at all. Just add some more to the AW that's not about keep/resource score.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Good stuff