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Now that things are settling down, a big gripe I had with the ESO: Morrowind package...

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I made a pre-order on the Collector's Edition for Morrowind when it was announced. I knew what came with it, EXCEPT for the details on how the game&expansion themselves would be handled.

I was... just, disappointed. The base game, Morrowind, and Discovery Pack are all one code. Basically, I "paid for" a copy of the base game that just fizzled into non-existence when I added the expansion and bonus to my account. I had really hoped to gift the base game(PC) to a friend who still actively plays on PS4.

There's no real complaint I could make, other than how unclear the order pages for Morrowind were on the details of the delivery method of the game itself.

P.S. If the Crown Crates are going to get more horrendously F2P-Wallet-Mining-lookalike per itteration, y'all at ZOS might as well just make the base game F2P.
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    I did not see any reason, based on the wording of the package, to think it would be separated out. Just like someone Purchasing ESO Gold. There is no indication that the base game is separate from the DLC part of the package.
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    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?
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    I made a pre-order on the Collector's Edition for Morrowind when it was announced. I knew what came with it, EXCEPT for the details on how the game&expansion themselves would be handled.

    I was... just, disappointed. The base game, Morrowind, and Discovery Pack are all one code. Basically, I "paid for" a copy of the base game that just fizzled into non-existence when I added the expansion and bonus to my account. I had really hoped to gift the base game(PC) to a friend who still actively plays on PS4.

    There's no real complaint I could make, other than how unclear the order pages for Morrowind were on the details of the delivery method of the game itself.

    P.S. If the Crown Crates are going to get more horrendously F2P-Wallet-Mining-lookalike per itteration, y'all at ZOS might as well just make the base game F2P.

    Yeah me too - I assumed we got at least two seperate codes. So a little disppointed but on the other hand I bought the physical collectors edition since I'm a collector and I really liked the statue and packaging. If not I would have bought the cheapest version of Morrowind.

    I have bought this game 3 times now and I think the discovery pack as well at least 2 times.
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    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?
    Most of the information was handled on the ESO site not by the retailers. For example from this article: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/01/31/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-pre-order-faq
    Can I upgrade my existing ESO account to The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind if I buy the physical Collector's Edition?
    If you're an existing ESO player and you purchase the Morrowind Collector's Edition (physical or digital), the included code will work with your existing account. Applying the Morrowind game code to an existing ESO account will unlock Morrowind for that account so you can venture to Vvardenfell with all your current characters (or your new Warden!)
    There was also a long period of time where people were asking questions on the forums, social media and ESO Live in which you could have verified how the code was handled.

    Not trying to be rude, but you made an assumption on how it worked and were in correct, I don't feel there was any misleading information from ZOS in regards to this.
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    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?

    So you're blaming ZOS for Amazon misleading you? That's about as idiotic as the guy complaining to ZOS about the Steam client on his PC not working properly.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    Turelus wrote: »
    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?
    Most of the information was handled on the ESO site not by the retailers. For example from this article: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/01/31/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-pre-order-faq
    Can I upgrade my existing ESO account to The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind if I buy the physical Collector's Edition?
    If you're an existing ESO player and you purchase the Morrowind Collector's Edition (physical or digital), the included code will work with your existing account. Applying the Morrowind game code to an existing ESO account will unlock Morrowind for that account so you can venture to Vvardenfell with all your current characters (or your new Warden!)
    There was also a long period of time where people were asking questions on the forums, social media and ESO Live in which you could have verified how the code was handled.

    Not trying to be rude, but you made an assumption on how it worked and were in correct, I don't feel there was any misleading information from ZOS in regards to this.

    @Turelus Hence disappointment, not rolling out on day one and being upsetti-spaghetti that I didn't get this. A retrospective moreso, to say "Hey I would have happily given you guys at ZOS a new customer (or transfer from another server) if my purchase of the base game+expansion could be snipped into half for me, and half for a friend."

    The store page is still unclear, even on the plain physical edition page which should only have to detail the game itself.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?

    So you're blaming ZOS for Amazon misleading you? That's about as idiotic as the guy complaining to ZOS about the Steam client on his PC not working properly.

    @AzrielKrieg Actually if you had read my post instead of looking to get a 'hehe xD' out of poking at me as if I were lying, you would know that I was noting my disappointment in the chosen delivery method and the murkiness in delivery of the information surrounding the expansion itself, and what is included as far as actual software licenses. As Turelus handily pointed out, I could have found this information if I dug into a sort-of FAQ on the website. Not the pre-order info page which links to these vendor sites, not the vendor sites, on a separate page. The information was out there, and in my opinion not where it should have been.

    Try not being so confrontational.
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    My guess would be they didn't want people giving away free games.
    I mean if you're going to make everyone who purchases a Morrowind update have a spare code they don't need, and they're claiming 10mil accounts created, if even half of those are active and purchase Morrowind that's 5mil lost sales.

    I understand why you wanted to have the code and I would have done the same, but I don't think it would make sense for ZOS to give away codes that way. Better to wait for a another free trial period and let friends try then, if they like it a base game can be purchased for like £10 on Amazon these days.
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  • Skcarkden
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    Turelus wrote: »
    They were actually pretty clear for what each of the packages were and what was in them.

    @AzrielKrieg https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSDDERO/?th=1

    You are now going to show me the spot on this webpage, where details on the copy of Morrowind itself will be delivered to the purchaser, yes? A code, or collection of codes per portion of the purchase? Includes a copy of the base game, or not? If the disc included could be used to install the whole of the game, the latest update, or something else? Yes?
    Most of the information was handled on the ESO site not by the retailers. For example from this article: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/01/31/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-pre-order-faq
    Can I upgrade my existing ESO account to The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind if I buy the physical Collector's Edition?
    If you're an existing ESO player and you purchase the Morrowind Collector's Edition (physical or digital), the included code will work with your existing account. Applying the Morrowind game code to an existing ESO account will unlock Morrowind for that account so you can venture to Vvardenfell with all your current characters (or your new Warden!)
    There was also a long period of time where people were asking questions on the forums, social media and ESO Live in which you could have verified how the code was handled.

    Not trying to be rude, but you made an assumption on how it worked and were in correct, I don't feel there was any misleading information from ZOS in regards to this.

    Eh... That doesn't actually specifically answer the question asked. That asks if one can upgrade an account, which should be obvious for everyone from the start but such obvious questions get put in the FAQ because some people really do need that kind of help. It doesn't specify that for PC copies (I thinkt hat's what the OP said they got) all codes are tied into on, and i assume on PC you need a CD key to activate and play.

    On console you can still give someone else the disc and they can play base game, i had assumed from the start codes would be multi linked since in cases like these - they try to thwart attempts at giving away the portion of the game one already has which seems to work mostly for PC, i find it annoying myself when a game has 5 different codes to enter for a console game... yet it's always consistent, the ones that you re-purchase the base game multiple times tend to be the only ones to merge all codes in one. :(

    PS: I'm not saying i disagree with you, I just don't see that FAQ question as giving a definitive answer to what the OP said.
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    Turelus wrote: »
    My guess would be they didn't want people giving away free games.
    I mean if you're going to make everyone who purchases a Morrowind update have a spare code they don't need, and they're claiming 10mil accounts created, if even half of those are active and purchase Morrowind that's 5mil lost sales.

    I understand why you wanted to have the code and I would have done the same, but I don't think it would make sense for ZOS to give away codes that way. Better to wait for a another free trial period and let friends try then, if they like it a base game can be purchased for like £10 on Amazon these days.

    Then ZoS needs to offer the physical collectors edition as a upgrade without the base game. Simples.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    Turelus wrote: »
    My guess would be they didn't want people giving away free games.
    I mean if you're going to make everyone who purchases a Morrowind update have a spare code they don't need, and they're claiming 10mil accounts created, if even half of those are active and purchase Morrowind that's 5mil lost sales.

    I understand why you wanted to have the code and I would have done the same, but I don't think it would make sense for ZOS to give away codes that way. Better to wait for a another free trial period and let friends try then, if they like it a base game can be purchased for like £10 on Amazon these days.

    Oh the actual get-the-game part is nigh trivial anyhow, I know at least two friends purchased their game through G2A to try. 'Very good' for sales I suspect. :p

    It's ultimately, and could only ever be, just a gripe. In my case, that's a dedicated player who would have happily picked up a second copy of all his dlc purchases (or a subscription) if he had the 'free' incentive to try the game on PC gone. Can't really say that would be the case for every extra copy of the game, or even many of them, if the way I wanted it to work was the way it is. Oh well, haha.
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  • Skcarkden
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    Nowadays it's unlikely but it can be done 1 of at least 2 ways.

    First way being the Base and Expansion/DLC separate or Second they go to the effort to make a code that has all of it in one.

    In future for any game it's always best to assume "One code to rule them all and in the darkness bind them". And in cases of items you really want but don't think they'll remain after the release date, if you can hold onto it without using and ask others first.

    Hell, i haven't even done the expansion yet, i'm trying to find someone who has made a new character and done morrowind tutorial AND travelled to morrowind on their old characters because i wanna know if old character can do the new tutorial at all. (I hope so, because it looks like the story of it was tailored to be ambigious for old and new characters alike just as you can do the old tutorial on new characters by doing a quest to get kidnapped and murdered... (i think they added a new cutscene for it which is cool, or i simply forgot about it the first time?)
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    I made a pre-order on the Collector's Edition for Morrowind when it was announced. I knew what came with it, EXCEPT for the details on how the game&expansion themselves would be handled.

    I was... just, disappointed. The base game, Morrowind, and Discovery Pack are all one code. Basically, I "paid for" a copy of the base game that just fizzled into non-existence when I added the expansion and bonus to my account. I had really hoped to gift the base game(PC) to a friend who still actively plays on PS4.

    There's no real complaint I could make, other than how unclear the order pages for Morrowind were on the details of the delivery method of the game itself.

    The bundling of the base game with the Chapter as a single thing was interesting. I was wondering whether they would even sell the "base game", also known as Tamriel Unlimited, after Morrowind launch. My impression is that Morrowind is the new ESO "base game" and that Tamriel Unlimited is nothing more than the old version of the game. It still works, for the people who only have the old version, but before too long, most players will be using the new one.

    I don't know whether this is going to be the case with future Chapters, but I won't rule it out.
    Then ZoS needs to offer the physical collectors edition as a upgrade without the base game. Simples.

    They made things really complicated, what with no physical CE upgrade, then the early release fiasco. It was almost like "What is a Chapter" was a fluid, evolving, thing. Undecided. Decisions sort of piled on awkwardly.

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    I made a pre-order on the Collector's Edition for Morrowind when it was announced. I knew what came with it, EXCEPT for the details on how the game&expansion themselves would be handled.

    I was... just, disappointed. The base game, Morrowind, and Discovery Pack are all one code. Basically, I "paid for" a copy of the base game that just fizzled into non-existence when I added the expansion and bonus to my account. I had really hoped to gift the base game(PC) to a friend who still actively plays on PS4.

    There's no real complaint I could make, other than how unclear the order pages for Morrowind were on the details of the delivery method of the game itself.

    The bundling of the base game with the Chapter as a single thing was interesting. I was wondering whether they would even sell the "base game", also known as Tamriel Unlimited, after Morrowind launch. My impression is that Morrowind is the new ESO "base game" and that Tamriel Unlimited is nothing more than the old version of the game. It still works, for the people who only have the old version, but before too long, most players will be using the new one.

    I don't know whether this is going to be the case with future Chapters, but I won't rule it out.


    it also does concern me how console games get treated. You can't trade in PC games but you can with console... Destiny did the same thing. when they sold the game, it was the base game disc with the new content as a redeemable code, if you already had the game you now by all accounts have two base game discs, but one is designed with the new version image and case... trade it back in, someone buys it pre-owned not aware of the manner the game was implemented... they only have base game... but buying old version pre owned is diff price to buying the new version pre owned.. but they are functionally the same base game at that point..

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    The five editions per platform was overzealous marketing, plain and simple. Bethesda got greedy over an anniversary that nobody really holds in reverence. Morrowind is the gaming equivalent of having a really interesting honeymoon then celebrating 15 years by going to *** Happy Hour.

    I still don't know who the box set was for. Most new players weren't going to pony up $115. Most veteran players are getting jaded and prefer the à la carte approach to new content. People bought the boxes sure, but it feels more catered to individuals on the Bethesda/ZOS payroll than actual players.

    Future Chapters need one edition - upgrade. No box set. No digital items that will be obsolete in six months because of new crown store items. And with the artificial fanfare torn away, fans can decide whether it's content worth paying extra for, or just ZOS being ZOS.

    To be fair, I don't think retailers really knew what they were buying into, either. But it was low risk for them to the point where they've definitely already forgotten about Morrowind.
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    Acrolas wrote: »
    To be fair, I don't think retailers really knew what they were buying into, either. But it was low risk for them to the point where they've definitely already forgotten about Morrowind.

    It was certainly confusing, I will say that. I think part of it was to drive the difference between a Chapter and what has been a DLC for the game. To that end, I expect that they will continue to use Chapters to "re-release" the game, annually.

    I am not certain that I am ready for that sort of thing, though. I bought Morrowind because of Vvardenfell and TES III. The only other TES game that has a chance of repeating that is Skyrim. The next Chapter is likely to be located in "bupkis province". Specifically, Black Marsh. More specifically, Murkmire. I expect that will have a retail drawing power similar to a swarm of mosquitoes. :smile:
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