Tamriel Trade Centre - Fail on ZOS part

vpy · June 2017

A single unified UI for all trade auctions has been nicely implemented as Tamriel Trade Center (https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com)

I am sorry to say this but it is a pretty big fail on ZOS part not to have done this by themselves

When a third party is able to produce a such single unified UI for all the auctions why can't ZOS do it ?

In no way I am saying TTC is perfect because it relies on addons, community users etc but a third party is making a great effort why did ZOS not think of this ???

As of now only the fat cats who are part of the trading guild stores are screwing every other players by altering markets by themselves.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

TTC is a big issue since it can be easily manipulated. And the reason why is ZOS wanted a simplified UI that addon developers could add to if they so wished.

timb16_ESO85 · June 2017

TTC, and to a lesser extend MM, actually removed all the advantages of the guild trader system. No longer are you able to shop for deals at out of the way stores, they just price according to TTC or MM. This causes a decrease in traffic to all but the large city stores, and thus causes more people to be annoyed by the guild trader system. By allowing these prices to be compared, people selling at a only slightly lower price feel that, even though they are slightly cheaper, their items aren't selling. TTC is used more by sellers, than by buyers (except for the really rare items), further increasing this problem, since now the prices are almost equal, but the trouble going through for a small discount are definitely not almost equal.

Saturnana · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

A single unified UI for all trade auctions has been nicely implemented as Tamriel Trade Center (https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com)

I am sorry to say this but it is a pretty big fail on ZOS part not to have done this by themselves

When a third party is able to produce a such single unified UI for all the auctions why can't ZOS do it ?

In no way I am saying TTC is perfect because it relies on addons, community users etc but a third party is making a great effort why did ZOS not think of this ???

As of now only the fat cats who are part of the trading guild stores are screwing every other players by altering markets by themselves.

Is not that they can't, it's that they don't want to.
And with good reason.

exhuman · June 2017

personally i think that ZOS should implement it. I dont have the time nor the want to search all the traders in all towns to find something. Its stupid

Narvuntien · June 2017

"the fat cats who are part of the trading guild stores are screwing every other players by altering markets by themselves."
They'd also be doing that with any other system.Humans break systems that is what we do best.
Auction house systems can be broken and have been broken in all the games that use them.

TTC prices seem so inflated whenever I take a peek at thier listings (most of the time just to check a price for listing). Mournhold and Wayrest traders (Grahtwood, Belkath, R'walah) seem to just list everything with sharpened for 30K.... then it explodes to 100 -> 300K for popular sets. All it has really taught me is to avoid trying to buy from the major traders.

The issue is of course those are the only places where people seem to bother to list gear at all, particularly for the second tier of sets and traits (infused, study). People just need more incentive to actually go out of the major cities instead of just doing writs in Belkath and picking up pleadges in the captials. The random in the wilds traders need to go, they need to be moved to smaller towns that you might actually visit once in awhile. Perhaps just put them near the dolemns so people actually walk past them sometimes? Then there needs to be dailies added to the zones beyond Craglorn and the mages and fighters guild ones, Get out of the cities!. People would start doing these dailies in zones with popular drop sets.

I also think the base guild store UI is terrible and awesome guildstore addon makes it so much better. Seriously pick up your game on that.

Nermy · June 2017

exhuman wrote: »

personally i think that ZOS should implement it. I dont have the time nor the want to search all the traders in all towns to find something. Its stupid

Oh, I just love going shopping. I have my own little shopping outfit I wear and I RPG my way round all the guild trade stalls. It's just marvelous dahling!

Seraphayel · June 2017

The Guild Store system was a failure from day 1. If there would be NPC traders displaying the sortiment of every Guild Store around they would work but as single stores placed all over the world and in most cases you don't even know where they are it was meant to fail.

SirCritical · June 2017

Since TTC is good mostly for pricing, than actual buying, I don't think this blaming of ZOS would be correct.

woe · June 2017

PC privilege

TheDarkoil · June 2017

I'd love a new area with a big market hall which still has individual guild traders but all in one place, maybe little customisable alcove shops as well. I know that having traders spread out should result in varying prices for items but the creation of market add ons basically destroyed that, so know you have to traverse various loading screens and areas sometimes looking for an item which will have a set price anyways.

Morgul667 · June 2017

They can do it, they dont want to

Seraphayel · June 2017

TheDarkoil wrote: »

I'd love a new area with a big market hall which still has individual guild traders but all in one place, maybe little customisable alcove shops as well. I know that having traders spread out should result in varying prices for items but the creation of market add ons basically destroyed that, so know you have to traverse various loading screens and areas sometimes looking for an item which will have a set price anyways.

This. Create huge "market halls" where you have 30 traders or so all in one place. Then you can check them one by one. Or just create one NPC and place it in every major city that has access to the sortiment of every guild store out there.

laksikus · June 2017

Cry cry cry. I want an AH. Cry cry cry

Someone give us a dead horse pic

Khenarthi · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

A single unified UI for all trade auctions

...auctions? I don't see stuff being sold to the highest bidder.

And yes I'm being obtuse on purpose. The term "auction" is clearly from some other MMO, so far the only auctions in this game are run within player guilds. Please use proper ESO vocabulary, and leave other MMOs at the door.

swifty3174 · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Cry cry cry. I want an AH. Cry cry cry

Someone give us a dead horse pic

Sorry I'm late.

Mannix1958 · June 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

TTC is a big issue since it can be easily manipulated. And the reason why is ZOS wanted a simplified UI that addon developers could add to if they so wished.

I have to jump here about this comment...its not really the case at all.

I challenge AzraelKrieg to make good on this statement. I find Tempers at 6.5-7k too expensive...please manipulate the price to bring it in line with the others around 3k. Please do so by next Wednesday so I can buy some in bulk.

Ohhh...while you are at it I have a ton of Mountain Flower...please double its selling price.

If you cannot comply it would seem to indicate that you just like pushing falsehoods about TTC.

Mannix1958 · June 2017

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

TTC, and to a lesser extend MM, actually removed all the advantages of the guild trader system. No longer are you able to shop for deals at out of the way stores, they just price according to TTC or MM. This causes a decrease in traffic to all but the large city stores, and thus causes more people to be annoyed by the guild trader system. By allowing these prices to be compared, people selling at a only slightly lower price feel that, even though they are slightly cheaper, their items aren't selling. TTC is used more by sellers, than by buyers (except for the really rare items), further increasing this problem, since now the prices are almost equal, but the trouble going through for a small discount are definitely not almost equal.

Really? Sometimes now I head to out of the way places for the best price due to TTC...not what you are claiming. I used to stick to the main hubs.

ADarklore · June 2017

Honestly, I tried TTC and it didn't help me at all. It stated the availability of the item I wanted but when I traveled there, it was already sold out, this happened for every listing that TTC had. I ended up having to travel around to every guild trader anyway just hoping that someone placed the item I was looking for but it wasn't listed on TTC... and at my very last guild trader before giving up, they actually had the item... and it wasn't one that was listed on TTC! I think TTC honestly HURTS players because it's not timely, as in "available right now", and it gives players with big wallets the ability to hunt down every deal, steal them, and then resell them at much higher prices... leaving players with small wallets out of the opportunities to come across deals.

Honestly, a global auction house would be MUCH better because it would offer real-time sales and not leave players like myself hunting all over creation looking for items that had already been sold but still listed.

Magıc · June 2017

I want the grand exchange from Runescape. If not, rather have this sytem than an AH.

ArchMikem · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Cry cry cry. I want an AH. Cry cry cry

Someone give us a dead horse pic

Crying is good for you. Relieves stress and refreshes the mind. Don't be shy, let out a few tears.

Xzien · June 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

TTC is a big issue since it can be easily manipulated. And the reason why is ZOS wanted a simplified UI that addon developers could add to if they so wished.

You serious? lol

TTC gets its pricings directly from the entirety of the guild traders in the game. The only way one could manipulate it is if they somehow managed to either A) hack the addon to ignore all those pricing being uploaded by dozens, if not hundreds, of people or

convinced the majority of sellers to change their item pricings to match what they want. Neither is going to happen in such a significant way that it'll affect TTC pricings.

Magdalina · June 2017

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

TTC, and to a lesser extend MM, actually removed all the advantages of the guild trader system. No longer are you able to shop for deals at out of the way stores, they just price according to TTC or MM. This causes a decrease in traffic to all but the large city stores, and thus causes more people to be annoyed by the guild trader system. By allowing these prices to be compared, people selling at a only slightly lower price feel that, even though they are slightly cheaper, their items aren't selling. TTC is used more by sellers, than by buyers (except for the really rare items), further increasing this problem, since now the prices are almost equal, but the trouble going through for a small discount are definitely not almost equal.

That seems to cotradict itself. THE reason to go to an out of the way trading hub is possible low prices, but how many people really want to go to all the what...50+?...out of the way traders to check if they have lower prices or not? Now if you DO know that trader X in the middle of nowhere has an item you want for reasonable/bargain price, or at least they had it an hour ago, then you just might take the trip.

When TTC was down and I needed some crafting mats I just stuck to the Deshaan hub and bought the cheapest I found there - which was still a bit above the average price. Normally I'd use ttc site for that and if I were to find some nice ~200 mats bulks for more reasonable price in out of the way traders I'd go there. But without ttc? The 1, 5 or even 20k gold I can save aren't worth an extensive trip to all of the world's traders.

TTC is insanely useful for buyers - that's how you don't get ripped off. When someone sells an item you really want but have never seen on sale before for 50k, all you have to do is open TTC and find out its average price is 10k and the person is just trying to scam you. I think it's great to have a tool like this. Now the people who are trying to pull scams like this usually get very upset when you post ttc pricecheck in zchat for all to see but hey...serves them right

KochDerDamonen · June 2017

So what you're saying is, ZOS should break TTC with an API update?

Xander3Zero · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Cry cry cry. I want an AH. Cry cry cry

Someone give us a dead horse pic

Why do people always say things like this? These are forums, and their literal purpose is for people to bring up topics that they want to discuss. If every topic that came up was agreed upon by everyone, then it wouldn't be a topic and it have no purpose in the forums. The fact that this is a thread that has been brought up dozens of times either means:

1) All these OP's are crying losers (like your saying).
2) The guild trader system sucks and alot of people would like a global AH instead.

Which do you think is the correct answer? I'll go with option 2 and site my evidence: For every one post/topic about the positives of the guild trader system, there are 10 posts/topics about how a global AH would improve QoL and is far superior to the current system.

mystfit · June 2017

There is so much I don't understand about the Guild Traders. I did pick up Awesomestore for some kind of search but I must not be doing it right. Today I put in an item I was looking for ..a design recipe. Now, part of it is not know what category designs, recipes go into, but it was purple so I clicked purple and typed design into the text field. but then I still have to click through 22 pages of 'no items found' until eventually a page pops up with a few designs on it. If I had of know what category it was in, would i have been able to click less pages

Crafts_Many_Boxes · June 2017

Xander3Zero wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Cry cry cry. I want an AH. Cry cry cry

Someone give us a dead horse pic

Why do people always say things like this? These are forums, and their literal purpose is for people to bring up topics that they want to discuss. If every topic that came up was agreed upon by everyone, then it wouldn't be a topic and it have no purpose in the forums. The fact that this is a thread that has been brought up dozens of times either means:

1) All these OP's are crying losers (like your saying).
2) The guild trader system sucks and alot of people would like a global AH instead.

Which do you think is the correct answer? I'll go with option 2 and site my evidence: For every one post/topic about the positives of the guild trader system, there are 10 posts/topics about how a global AH would improve QoL and is far superior to the current system.

Pretty much this. The bottom line is that most of us are folks with either day jobs or otherwise limited schedules. We don't want to spend hours trying to find what we need to buy, and the current system directly opposes that mentality. TTC is the one resource we have to find obscure items that aren't sold everywhere, or decently priced more common items.

It's a seller's market with the guild trader system, so of course those who are able to spend hours a day playing the market and RPing as a merchant are trying to defend such a system.

Demycilian · June 2017

Juhu! *waves/jumps* ZOS, do you see us? The shrunken entity thats your playerbase? No, dont turn away!

Dang.

Sallington · June 2017

Not having a single, central auction house is one of the best decisions ZOS made when creating ESO.

The problem is how god awful the default guild trader UI is. With addons, looking for an item on multiple traders is not cumbersome in the least.

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

A single unified UI for all trade auctions has been nicely implemented as Tamriel Trade Center (https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com)

I am sorry to say this but it is a pretty big fail on ZOS part not to have done this by themselves

When a third party is able to produce a such single unified UI for all the auctions why can't ZOS do it ?

In no way I am saying TTC is perfect because it relies on addons, community users etc but a third party is making a great effort why did ZOS not think of this ???

As of now only the fat cats who are part of the trading guild stores are screwing every other players by altering markets by themselves.

I think they have the system they want, that's why they haven't changed it. A lot of games end up with 3rd party solutions to streamline game-play for better or for worse. Elite Dangerous is another example, you have most of the tools in game to trade efficiently, but there are streamlined databases out there, updated by 3rd party client data that allow you to search for things without hopping commodity markets or shipyards.

Trading in ESO is a mini-game, and also the life-blood of trading guilds. If there was just a single auction house with a single market none of those guilds would have a reason for being, and the guilds that do best in regards to building large trading communities are also content creators for this game, providing everything from lotteries and contests, to group activities that include PVP, trails and dungeon groups.

MMOs are really boring games for the most part without social interactions. The combat systems are bad, the content is boring and repetitive for PVP or PVE, the world designs look cobbled together and flat, and the writing is usually pretty sub-par on a game's narrative standard. Social interactions and compulsive dependencies motivate players to spend money on these games, and removing the need for a trade guild would reduce a lot of social activity in this game. When you look at the bigger picture, from a marketing perspective things are good the way they are.

zaria · June 2017

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

TTC, and to a lesser extend MM, actually removed all the advantages of the guild trader system. No longer are you able to shop for deals at out of the way stores, they just price according to TTC or MM. This causes a decrease in traffic to all but the large city stores, and thus causes more people to be annoyed by the guild trader system. By allowing these prices to be compared, people selling at a only slightly lower price feel that, even though they are slightly cheaper, their items aren't selling. TTC is used more by sellers, than by buyers (except for the really rare items), further increasing this problem, since now the prices are almost equal, but the trouble going through for a small discount are definitely not almost equal.

And in that way remove the only benefit of the out of way traders, low price for trader but few customers.
If you have an out of way trader you have to sell below marked price.
Compare how real world work, shops at 5 avenue is overpriced.
Yes, MM make it less likely to get very under priced items, and TTC make them go away fast.