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Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

I understand how you feel. But for whatever the reason, the developers simply just don't care too much for making certain/specific Maelstrom Weapons easier to obtain. Whether it be with a: Token system, trade-in system, etc. The community has shared numerous ideas with the developers. But unfortunately, they are ignored for the most part. We can only hope and wish that 1 day ZOS tones down the layers of RNG involved. And on the day in which that comes, ZOS will have a myriad of appreciative and happy players playing their game from that decision. They'd probably also attract a fair amount of players who quit due to their experiences with RNG as well.

Please guys. Please change and or rework your RNG system(s). @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_Finn

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

You are 100% correct and I know this can be annoying to see all the time but I feel that the community needs to keep pestering the developers since the developers dont care and think that "painful rng" is end game.

Rahotu · June 2017

IMO zos will only change the rng for gear as a direct response to a death spiral in subs,and that will be too late,my only idea would be if people just stopped doing vma maybe the devs would get so brassed off their hard work was being ignored they may do an aboutface

MakoFore · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

I understand how you feel. But for whatever the reason, the developers simply just don't care too much for making certain/specific Maelstrom Weapons easier to obtain. Whether it be with a: Token system, trade-in system, etc. The community has shared numerous ideas with the developers. But unfortunately, they are ignored for the most part. We can only hope and wish that 1 day ZOS tones down the layers of RNG involved. And on the day in which that comes, ZOS will have a myriad of appreciative and happy players playing their game from that decision. They'd probably also attract a fair amount of players who quit due to their experiences with RNG as well.

Please guys. Please change and or rework your RNG system(s). @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_Finn

I just wish they would at least engage with the community and respond- allow us to be active in helping improve the game. i know they want us to play and replay - i mean farming in mmos is what keeps people coming back. but farming cant be more important than the actual game. if u did a poll on what people spend their time on in game- i d bet that 80 percent of it is farming- and 20 percent actually playing.

Shadzilla · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

U mad bra?

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

U mad bra?

Can you not take away from this quality thread, with low-level baiting? It's a pretty solid thread, that doesn't need to be derailed with that type of immature nonsense. There's a time and place for everything, bruh.

DRXHarbinger · June 2017

Perhaps this is the real reason it's called maelstrom arena.

MickeyBN · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

Yea and I will keep beating the dead horse. Nothing will change probably however without everyone bringing it up it DEFIANTLY wont change.

Shadzilla wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

U mad bra?

Frustrated at bad design, will somehow wake up tomorrow and live on. If lucky.

Kaliki · June 2017

I guess that enough people are still running vMA so according to ZOS' statistics the low drop chance works as a time sink providing enough motivation for players to run this over and over.

Sure, less RNG via a token system would be more fair, but ZOS' strategy (like in most MMOs) is to rely on addictive behavior.

Unfortunately there's more profit in gambling-like gameplay and selling cosmetic pixels for ludicrous amounts than by providing a game that is fair and pleasant.

I simply avoid the RNG by relying on crafted sets or farming with friends which has a social fun factor which motivates me.

Turelus · June 2017

So the following two things were confirmed during the Morrowind announcement press interviews.

They know RNG is a huge pain point in the game that needs to be addressed.
They have (or were) talking about if a token system would work.

So they're listening and working on things, but it's not something I feel they should rush out and end up having yet another awkward bolt on mechanic which breaks everything.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

So the following two things were confirmed during the Morrowind announcement press interviews.
They know RNG is a huge pain point in the game that needs to be addressed.

They have (or were) talking about if a token system would work.

So they're listening and working on things, but it's not something I feel they should rush out and end up having yet another awkward bolt on mechanic which breaks everything.

Thank you, I also heard that news. I even made a video of it and was of course spammed with comments saying I was a idiot because they 1) never said it and 2) never will do it. They did though and now we wait, maybe forever.

Seraphayel · June 2017

How can somebody really do that super boring VMA 30, 50, 100 times just to get a weapon with the right trait? Come on, you don't even need the sharpened Maelstrom weapons. But if you want them so bad... well, the timesink called VMA seems to be working.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

How can somebody really do that super boring VMA 30, 50, 100 times just to get a weapon with the right trait? Come on, you don't even need the sharpened Maelstrom weapons. But if you want them so bad... well, the timesink called VMA seems to be working.

I did around 30 in a week a long time ago. Did one every once and a while from then on. Got to a 100 and yes it is lame.

Turelus · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So the following two things were confirmed during the Morrowind announcement press interviews.
They know RNG is a huge pain point in the game that needs to be addressed.

They have (or were) talking about if a token system would work.

So they're listening and working on things, but it's not something I feel they should rush out and end up having yet another awkward bolt on mechanic which breaks everything.

Thank you, I also heard that news. I even made a video of it and was of course spammed with comments saying I was a idiot because they 1) never said it and 2) never will do it. They did though and now we wait, maybe forever.

I don't know exactly what interviews it was said in, but the UESP did a breakdown of all Morrowind news and it was listed in there, as well as the joke about Rich Lambert not having a Sharpened Inferno staff from MSA yet.

I think they know they need to do something (it's clear they do) but they probably don't want to make any announcements until it's closer to release. Otherwise they'll just be hounded with questions and speculation.

All my thoughts on the matter as well, other than the knowledge of the comments in interviews I have no idea what their thought process on this one is.

Drummerx04 · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

First I agree with you, the rng in there is so stupid, I'm pretending that precise is BIS for destro staves.

But I can't let the rng example slide. If you are getting 105 iterations to reach 44 EACH time you run the experiment, then you are seeding the same rng sequence each time. This not a good demonstration because you are in effect doing one trial many times and obviously generating the same results. Just my two cents.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

Just to make a point I just used a random number generator. I set it to 1-100 as the possible outcomes. I chose 44 as my random choice. 44 Representing the wep I want. I randomly generated a number over and over and took 105 attempts to get the number 44.

Using the generator took a second or so each time and it took 105 times to get the number I selected. ALSO the number was 1 of the 100 possible numbers. SO that is way more likely than the 0.72% rate that a desired vma wep would drop. It still took 105 including the EXTRA 0.28% chance added on top for free.

Unreasonable.

First I agree with you, the rng in there is so stupid, I'm pretending that precise is BIS for destro staves.

But I can't let the rng example slide. If you are getting 105 iterations to reach 44 EACH time you run the experiment, then you are seeding the same rng sequence each time. This not a good demonstration because you are in effect doing one trial many times and obviously generating the same results. Just my two cents.

Thats not the example I tried to give. I ran the random number generator and took 105 times to get the item I wanted. Then I did it two more times, both took around 80 times ea. It was not 105 EACH time. That was just the example I gave and the first time I did it.

EDIT: The "each time" was "each time I pressed the button it would randomly generate a number" NOT each time I did the test I got 105 lol.

Hope that is more clear.

SchizoidMetal · June 2017

I just wanna say my hat goes off to the people who run vMA 100+ times to get crap. Ive run it exactly -0- times because of hearing this.. that in itself is whats wrong.

ChunkyCat · June 2017

Although I have my sharpened VMA weapons, it took me over a hundred runs.

It was not fun, and I feel uber lucky to have gotten them.

I agree with the original post. You could do a flawless run through VMA just to get a garbage weapon trait combo. Given the level of difficulty, it's just painfully stupid to have done so much hard work for no reward.

Beardimus · June 2017

I sympathise that the drop rate is low.

However I think you just have to adapt your mindset. Grinding any content is dull. Farming any content is dull. Is players choose.to do it because they want a shiny item, its kinda on them.

Is the few % gain in DPS really worth it? What can't you do without that staff? Most players in for over 100 runs have completed all the vet trials etc anyway.

I know its 'BIS' etc but really how much does it matter. At least you are playing the game. Once you get one all it means is a marginal increase to score on Trial runs and what does that matter? People complain end game is too easy anyway, so why make it easier, will that lead to longevity of play?

Not trolling. I get people like the shiny items. My point is perception, what does it really matter.

Morgul667 · June 2017

Another thread but yet I still agree with it

VMA RNG is broken and some nice proposal have been done

The_Art_of_Paw · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops firstUnreasonable.

Unfortunately this is how all the MMO style games that I enjoy operate as. It is a bit backward to how western society works as we have lots of goal setting in our everyday lives though it is what it is. In a way its a forced random character generator - switch to the character you end up getting the right items for.

Either way in a couple years they will add new items that make it all obsolete. Power creep is inevitable and once they settle on a system that more people enjoy, maelstrom will be another thing of the past. There is more profit in selling a new system then there is in adjusting old ones.

ScytheNL · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

Unreasonable.

You've never tried farming the Infinity when Borderlands 2 was just out, huh? It had a 0.7% drop rate on Doc Mercy and comes in 11 prefixes and 4 elements. Would you like to do the math on how many times you'd have to kill Doc Mercy on average to get a Vengeful Infinity with Corrosive element?

Knootewoot · June 2017

And thus the reason I haven't even started doing VMA. Looks hard and little reward with 0.72% chance to get what I want.

Seraphayel · June 2017

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

How can somebody really do that super boring VMA 30, 50, 100 times just to get a weapon with the right trait? Come on, you don't even need the sharpened Maelstrom weapons. But if you want them so bad... well, the timesink called VMA seems to be working.

I did around 30 in a week a long time ago. Did one every once and a while from then on. Got to a 100 and yes it is lame.

You still don't need the sharpened Maelstrom weapon, do you? There are other options. And the ~ 5% difference to an easier to get second best staff are more than negligible.

(nevertheless I agree that ESO needs a token system)

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · June 2017

ScytheNL wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

Unreasonable.

You've never tried farming the Infinity when Borderlands 2 was just out, huh? It had a 0.7% drop rate on Doc Mercy and comes in 11 prefixes and 4 elements. Would you like to do the math on how many times you'd have to kill Doc Mercy on average to get a Vengeful Infinity with Corrosive element?

Iwouldrathersmashmyfacewithabrick%

Vapirko · June 2017

MakoFore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Just like many before me and many after me..

The way you designed this game to drop vMA weps is stupid. If anyone wants a exact weapon.. say for example destro sharp they have something like 0.72% of getting it PER run. That is stupid. No token system, no system saying that after x amounts of runs you get the weapon just a straight 0.72% drop chance PER run. This is stupid.

This does not reward skill. Some people get what they want first try. Some are over 1000 runs without getting the item they want. Myself have only done vMA like 100 or so times and the only sharp item I have got is a restro lol.

"Play how you want" - ESO... I call bs. Should of said "Play based on what BIS drops first, trolol have fun without token system and insane RNG" because thats what people do.

I need 2 sharp vma staffs. I cant even get one, I may NEVER get one. Who knows. What I do know is I dont want to keep doing vMA and if this is your idea of keeping people logging in to do "content" you will find that with me and maybe others we dont log on due to a unlikely or unreasonable goal in which you have set. (No this is not a quitting post. So dont try to remove it to silence another complaint on bs terms)

Minute of silence to all those who have done 1000 runs and not got what they wanted. RIP BIS dreams... guess I will have bis minus weps.. Fair asf.

I understand how you feel. But for whatever the reason, the developers simply just don't care too much for making certain/specific Maelstrom Weapons easier to obtain. Whether it be with a: Token system, trade-in system, etc. The community has shared numerous ideas with the developers. But unfortunately, they are ignored for the most part. We can only hope and wish that 1 day ZOS tones down the layers of RNG involved. And on the day in which that comes, ZOS will have a myriad of appreciative and happy players playing their game from that decision. They'd probably also attract a fair amount of players who quit due to their experiences with RNG as well.

Please guys. Please change and or rework your RNG system(s). @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_Finn

I just wish they would at least engage with the community and respond- allow us to be active in helping improve the game. i know they want us to play and replay - i mean farming in mmos is what keeps people coming back. but farming cant be more important than the actual game. if u did a poll on what people spend their time on in game- i d bet that 80 percent of it is farming- and 20 percent actually playing.

This right here. The devs are very, very closed off when it comes to response. But it doesn't seem that this was always true. There's a massive thread on Cyrodiil somewhere in here, forget what its called. Up until about 1 or 1.5 years ago, the devs were regularly chiming in, discussing issues with players. But it appears that around the beginning of 2016 that stopped for some reason. Idk if this is true on all aspects, but it does seem to me like there used to be far more back and forth with players and legit transparency. Now ZOS has their lips stapled shut. They appear only to occasionally confirm little updates of no real consequence, or talk about some small pve related quest bugs. It sucks and its really sad to see. I think this game was going great places, as we can all see from the obvious potential but the way its run, whoever happens to be making that call, has really cut the game off at the knees.

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

Completely agree. They should have a token system. You run so many and you get tokens to get the weapon you want.

Jerkling · June 2017

this is simply not the way how the system to make ppl keep playing mmo's work... sry!

Inhuman003 · June 2017

Now I see why people wanted tokens to purchase weapons and gear in dungeons. I would like to see a system work like this even for VMA and battlegrounds. With all that grinding lease it will be worth something to get some kind of currency to purchase items that you truly want even if they are high price.