Spell Critical Chance -- Does Magelight stack with Thief Mundus?

Amadis001 · June 2017

I am leveling my first magicka character and found to my surprise that thief mundus doesn't appear to affect my spell critical rating while magelight is slotted. Is this a bug, a feature, or some kind of problem between mouse and chair?

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

Yes, they do stack. You might be experiencing a UI bug.

Robo_Hobo · June 2017

It should stack, if it isn't, that's a bug.

However keep in mind that magelight only increases your spell critical while it's on the bar that's active at the time that you check. If it's on say, your backbar, and you check your stats while your front bar is active, it won't affect it, so to have the magelight buff at all times you have to have it on both bars.

SydneyGrey · June 2017

Related question: Would magelight work for something like the cliff racer spell if you're a stamina warden, and chose the stamina morph?

Juhasow · June 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Related question: Would magelight work for something like the cliff racer spell if you're a stamina warden, and chose the stamina morph?

No. Stamina based abilities scales of weapon critical doesnt matter if that ability was magicka based before morph when You choose stamina morph it starts to scale of stamina , weapon dmg , weapon critical and physical penetration. There is only few abilities this rule doesnt affect.

TheDarkoil · June 2017

The best way to look at it is this. Magelight while on your bar gives your character the major prophecy buff, you can only have one instance of this active at any one time but it does stack with minor prophecy.

Betsararie · June 2017

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

Betsararie · June 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

See, now that is still not true, even if the major prophecy didn't stack with the thief, people would still use inner light for the reasons I stated. Inner light would not be "garbabe". I am saying that the major prophecy part of the skill IS wasted on end game builds that rely on pots for major sorcery anyways and people still slot the skill. Not sure why you are going on a defensive rant otherwise.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

See, now that is still not true, even if the major prophecy didn't stack with the thief, people would still use inner light for the reasons I stated. Inner light would not be "garbabe". I am saying that the major prophecy part of the skill IS wasted on end game builds that rely on pots for major sorcery anyways and people still slot the skill. Not sure why you are going on a defensive rant otherwise.

Why would you craft pots that give major prophecy if you have magelight slotted? It's just a waste of gold.

Save yourself 50k a week and cut out water hyacinth/Namira's rot from your potions. If you have magicka warden, you can drop one of corn flower/lady's smock too since you don't need major sorcery either (you get 100% uptime of it from betty netch). Just about the only good thing about the warden is all the gold I'm saving on potions.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

See, now that is still not true, even if the major prophecy didn't stack with the thief, people would still use inner light for the reasons I stated. Inner light would not be "garbabe". I am saying that the major prophecy part of the skill IS wasted on end game builds that rely on pots for major sorcery anyways and people still slot the skill. Not sure why you are going on a defensive rant otherwise.

Why would you craft pots that give major prophecy if you have magelight slotted? It's just a waste of gold.

Save yourself 50k a week and cut out water hyacinth/Namira's rot from your potions. If you have magicka warden, you can drop one of corn flower/lady's smock too since you don't need major sorcery either (you get 100% uptime of it from betty netch). Just about the only good thing about the warden is all the gold I'm saving on potions.

Because what else are you going to put in with it, why would you just buy dual stat stuff and you could farm all the stuff you listed for free. My point still stands. Just because you don't use the full three effect pots, (full disclosure, I just use trash pots, I always have a way to get both major sorcery/Brutality and prophecy/savagery on my bars/gear cause I am super cheap and hate farming for mats) doesn't mean that they are not the ones that are used on top score end game builds.

Again, my point is that even if inner lights major prophecy did not stack with the thief, which it 100% does, people would still use it as 7% max magic is way too much to give up.

SilverWF · June 2017

Any buffs with different names are stack with each other.
Buffs with the same name are not stack.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

See, now that is still not true, even if the major prophecy didn't stack with the thief, people would still use inner light for the reasons I stated. Inner light would not be "garbabe". I am saying that the major prophecy part of the skill IS wasted on end game builds that rely on pots for major sorcery anyways and people still slot the skill. Not sure why you are going on a defensive rant otherwise.

Why would you craft pots that give major prophecy if you have magelight slotted? It's just a waste of gold.

Save yourself 50k a week and cut out water hyacinth/Namira's rot from your potions. If you have magicka warden, you can drop one of corn flower/lady's smock too since you don't need major sorcery either (you get 100% uptime of it from betty netch). Just about the only good thing about the warden is all the gold I'm saving on potions.

Because what else are you going to put in with it, why would you just buy dual stat stuff and you could farm all the stuff you listed for free. My point still stands. Just because you don't use the full three effect pots, (full disclosure, I just use trash pots, I always have a way to get both major sorcery/Brutality and prophecy/savagery on my bars cause I am super cheap and hate farming for mats) doesn't mean that they are not the ones that are used on top score end game builds.

Again, my point is that even if inner lights major prophecy did not stack with the thief, which it 100% does, people would still use it as 7% max magic is way too much to give up.

Corn flower + lady's smock?

There is absolutely no reason to waste piles of gold every week on Namira's rot/water hyacinth stacks if you slot magelight.

If you're a warden, then it's just lady's smock + bugloss.

Don't ever buy potions from traders. It's a million times cheaper to buy the mats and craft yourself.

Sure you can farm them, but the rate at which you use potions, you'd need to be farming for hours every day.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

Not true, still 7% max magic and 2% regen for having inner light slotted. This is actually why most end game builds have it sloted, as you can actually have 100% uptime on major prophecy from pots.

I'm familiar with the combination.

I'm very familiar with the skill, I use it.

The point I am making is the fact that if it didn't stack with the thief mundus, it would be a waste of an aspect of the skill.

Therefore it would be questionable as to why that aspect of the skill was even implemented, given the likelihood of the player using Thief.

See, now that is still not true, even if the major prophecy didn't stack with the thief, people would still use inner light for the reasons I stated. Inner light would not be "garbabe". I am saying that the major prophecy part of the skill IS wasted on end game builds that rely on pots for major sorcery anyways and people still slot the skill. Not sure why you are going on a defensive rant otherwise.

Why would you craft pots that give major prophecy if you have magelight slotted? It's just a waste of gold.

Save yourself 50k a week and cut out water hyacinth/Namira's rot from your potions. If you have magicka warden, you can drop one of corn flower/lady's smock too since you don't need major sorcery either (you get 100% uptime of it from betty netch). Just about the only good thing about the warden is all the gold I'm saving on potions.

Because what else are you going to put in with it, why would you just buy dual stat stuff and you could farm all the stuff you listed for free. My point still stands. Just because you don't use the full three effect pots, (full disclosure, I just use trash pots, I always have a way to get both major sorcery/Brutality and prophecy/savagery on my bars cause I am super cheap and hate farming for mats) doesn't mean that they are not the ones that are used on top score end game builds.

Again, my point is that even if inner lights major prophecy did not stack with the thief, which it 100% does, people would still use it as 7% max magic is way too much to give up.

Corn flower + lady's smock?

There is absolutely no reason to waste piles of gold every week on Namira's rot/water hyacinth stacks if you slot magelight.

If you're a warden, then it's just lady's smock + bugloss.

Don't ever buy potions from traders. It's a million times cheaper to buy the mats and craft yourself.

Sure you can farm them, but the rate at which you use potions, you'd need to be farming for hours every day.

I really don't know what you are trying to accomplish here, I have already stated I am right there with you, I actually go a step further and not even use any crafted pots, only the ones I pick up from bosses because I am so cheap/hate farming but go look at any theory Crafters end game builds and look at the pots they use.

And none of that is even the point I was trying to make, you would still slot inner light for the max magic, even if it didn't have the spell crit with it, full stop. Not a garbage skill.

Also stop pointing to the wardens netch like it is special in the way you are bringing it up, every class but templars have an *in class* way to get major sorcercy/brutality, and they all have access to entropy and stam can use momentum/hidden blade. Wardens are not even special with getting major prophecy/savagery from one of the lotus flower morphs, templars can get major prophecy from sun fire and major savagery from biting jabs.

Vercingetorix · June 2017

I still see a UI bug from time to time regarding the crit percentage. At times when it should display a whole percentage like 32%, it instead shows 31.9%. Not really sure why this is happening - this bug has been around for a long time.

Takes-No-Prisoner · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Of course it does. Magelight would be garbabe otherwise, no on would slot it

I mean, in Magelight's defense, I would slot it on my StamNB for the Empower it grants thanks to Might of the Guild passive 2/2.

The spell crit doesn't do anything for my Stamina guy, but holy crap, that Empower sure does.

Stewart1874 · June 2017

Quick question (I saw it kinda covered but not clearly enough for me to fully grasp it)

If I use Magelight & Thief mundas stone and also use a potion increasing spell crit chance by 20% will all stack?

Cheers

Takes-No-Prisoner · June 2017

Thief mundus is just a flat crit increase which will stack with Major/Minor Prophecy(spell crit), if you pop a potion that grants those either of those 2 buffs, it would be a waste of a potion since Magelight passively grants the same buff. You cannot stack a passive Major prophecy with another Major prophecy from a different source.