MLGProPlayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Transmog as a super new crown store feature f********** that

ESO+ perk more likely if they go that route, although I think it will be available to everyone. Putting that behind a paywall would cause a massive *** storm.

I fully predict this as well.

I really hope they're not just going to make it a trashy ESO+ feature and actually make it a games mechanic which makes style materials worth money again.

Transmog awesome, single skill line respec also awesome. No ETA is their slogan. Would be nice if "fix lag in cyrodiil" could at least get a being worked on.

Thx for the heads up OP!

I don't ask for much - a transmog system is one of the few things that would be a fresh breath of life for me. Being able to play dress up again would be awsome!

Now just fix the rng and we'll be the bestest of friends

Transmog...... so happy ive been holding on to Volars Crescent Daggers

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

The summary forgets to mention that Matt Firor takes us for fools. I mean, really.

He says that transmog and additional storage face heavy technical difficulties !!!

I, admittedly, am no programmer. But I am computer literate enough to understand that there is nothing, absolutely nothing technically difficult in applying a texture that already exists to a gear (basically, a set of stats) that already exists. Also, there is absolutely nothing difficult is telling any given inventory item to contain X maximum slots instead of Y maximum slots.

So please Mr. Firor, do not take me for stupid.

The "difficulties" you are "facing" are strictly related to how you are going to implement it in the game as either (or both) a gameplay incentive and a mean of monetization. Which, by the way, are fair are serious questions. But no "technical difficulties".

I AM a programmer - and I can see why there might be technical difficulties with storage. Take special note of the fact that he says that ESO is not built for that.

The problem is not that it is hard to do. I could probably write a quick application in half a day that had a fairly complex housing-inventory management system. But there are three problems I wouldn't need to deal with: Scaling, Speed and Legacy.

Scaling: Firstly, what is easy for one person is not easy for 10 million people. It would include more storage (only a few Terabytes) and more connections to the banking system (Players might only go to the banker on special occasions, but would look through the containers in their houses more often - especially if it was done properly and each container had a separate storage space!)

Speed: Have you noticed that when you open a chest or urn etc the contents appear immediately? That's because the client generates that information. For a storage system in a house you would need to connect to the servers to check the contents.On a slow day this could take a while. If you have a large number of items in your bank it could take longer. People would get irritated by this, so it would need minimising as much as possible.

Legacy: One of the hardest problems to solve in any programming job. You (or the people that came before) didn't write the original code in the way that would make this easy.There's lots of good reasons that this happens, and some bad ones - but it virtually always happens. IT can be fixed, but it's often hard and leads to bugs. Imagine you are building a house. You start with the foundations, and then the walls and the roof. But someone later says they actually want a tower - it's easy conceptually, you just add higher walls - but the foundations aren't strong enough to hold it - that's Legacy Issues, and it's why Matt Firor says that ESO is not built for it.

Having said all of that... I can't see what the problem with a Transmog system would be, since it's already in the game for Morag Tong and Imperial!

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss transmog.

What Transmog mean? sorry

As for housing item limit increase it will affect performance in that particular instance and maybe it could have a higher impact on the whole game.

TRANSMOG. No ETA, but they will do it. Yes. I will farm motifs again.

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno

The transmog system we need is called "Restyle System". Do it! Don't take away the relevance of the Motifs! Changing the style of a dropped and crafted item is the best transmog system for ESO.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Transmog as a super new crown store feature f********** that

ESO+ perk more likely if they go that route, although I think it will be available to everyone. Putting that behind a paywall would cause a massive *** storm.

I hope they will make it so crafters can make restyle stones for any motif they know and then sell them. That'd boost the CS motif selling aswell as gold ones and it would give people a real resson to invest in crafting.

AdamBourke wrote: »

I AM a programmer - and I can see why there might be technical difficulties with storage. Take special note of the fact that he says that ESO is not built for that.

The problem is not that it is hard to do. I could probably write a quick application in half a day that had a fairly complex housing-inventory management system. But there are three problems I wouldn't need to deal with: Scaling, Speed and Legacy.

Scaling: Firstly, what is easy for one person is not easy for 10 million people. It would include more storage (only a few Terabytes) and more connections to the banking system (Players might only go to the banker on special occasions, but would look through the containers in their houses more often - especially if it was done properly and each container had a separate storage space!)

Speed: Have you noticed that when you open a chest or urn etc the contents appear immediately? That's because the client generates that information. For a storage system in a house you would need to connect to the servers to check the contents.On a slow day this could take a while. If you have a large number of items in your bank it could take longer. People would get irritated by this, so it would need minimising as much as possible.

Legacy: One of the hardest problems to solve in any programming job. You (or the people that came before) didn't write the original code in the way that would make this easy.There's lots of good reasons that this happens, and some bad ones - but it virtually always happens. IT can be fixed, but it's often hard and leads to bugs. Imagine you are building a house. You start with the foundations, and then the walls and the roof. But someone later says they actually want a tower - it's easy conceptually, you just add higher walls - but the foundations aren't strong enough to hold it - that's Legacy Issues, and it's why Matt Firor says that ESO is not built for it.

Having said all of that... I can't see what the problem with a Transmog system would be, since it's already in the game for Morag Tong and Imperial!

Scaling

• Scaling is mostly a factor of raw storage on ZoS's side ~ aka more hard drives. It's a cost that pretty much guarantees they're probably not going to give it away (ever).

Speed

• Speed could be remedied by having the container contents 'load' when you enter the house, and update when you exit.
• The content list could then be held client side (encrypted, for the love of Azura).
• One additional bit field could be added to indicate if an item had been updated server side or not. Anything not yet updated server side (sync'd) could not be sold, only moved back and forth.
  This would server two purposes.
  • One would ensure nothing gets dupe'd (Oops, I accidentally DC'd after withdrawing my $200k gold items. I shall now reload...)
  • The other would ensure nothing goes into limbo.
  • In either case, log in with non-synced items in your inventory and it reverts to the container (the original server side copy). Even if someone is playing from multiple locations, there is no realistic reason why they should not have clean disconnects.
  • To prevent Guild-Bank level loading delays, the container could be restricted to owner-only access.
• Update the contents again when you exit the house or log out, and all is right with the world.
• Sure there would be additional loading screen time, but this is the price you would pay for having storage access.

Legacy

• Legacy should not be an issue. (Then again, it never should be.) Granted, people code differently, but the API is already in place, and for the most part, a container is a container - it simply needs a different ID than current ones available. If they hired people that did not properly document their code / the API, it is a problem. It's just more of a management issue than a programming one.
• The biggest task here is converting the old item format to the one with the new bitcode. This should be the easiest part. At the same time, this is probably where the biggest 'train wreck' could happen.

If they have programmers half worth there salt, it could be implemented. I suspect it's more about whether they want to invest in those resources (storage and manpower) and their inability to determine the exact price point that won't completely *** everyone off at once.

I'd think they'd have an equally difficult time with transmog, as far as the database is concerned, as they would have to add a new field to indicate the visual aspect of the item in addition to its function, where now the two are inseparable.

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Most "programmers" now-a-days go by the title "developer", but that's neither here nor there. Are you a "programmer" for ZOS, making ESO? If not, your opinion may carry a little more weight than us non-programmers, but you don't *really* know. You're just speculating.

"Programmer", "developer", "coder"... isn't that all synonyms ?
Anyway I'm grateful to anyone trying to rationally explain, even if only based on his own experience and know-how and not on insider knowledge. That's better than nothing at all - and we can't trust ZOS to explain anyway

zaria wrote: »

reiverx wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Transmog...... so happy ive been holding on to Volars Crescent Daggers

SHHHHHH @GreenSoup2HoT

I have two

Also there's a decent chance it'll only allow for known crafting styles

My fear is that they'll find a way to make a transmog system have some kind of drawback. I honestly don't have faith in this company to do good things anymore. Sad I should feel this way but oh well.

Only drawback i can imagine is the crown store as in special stone like the crown universal style material.
Just make it open ended please, let us use low level items and mix armor weights.

I hope all they do is make a little stand in the mages guild with 2 gear hangers. 1 for style and 1 for the item to be transformed. You loose the style item in the process.

Letting us use different armor levels as styles would be amazing.

Honestly while transmorg is a great feature, there's no point in even having a house without storage. This is incredibly disappointing.