Twilight Matriarch heal

sentientomega · June 2017

Now that pets now have no passive healing, neither in nor *out* of combat, absolutely nobody should benefit from the twilight matriarch's heal if they're not grouped with you. I don't want to waste resources on using the clannfear's more expensive heal when my twilight can heal itself, my sorc and my clannfear, if I'm not grouped with anyone. Just *one* other player at a dolmen forces my pet healing into effective free-fall.

Please consider restricting the heal to a single player and their pets, or group if applicable. If a non-sorc char of mine ends up not benefiting from the heal of a non-grouped person's twilight matriarch in a relevant scenario, so be it.

phaneub17_ESO · June 2017

I wish Healing Ward would be like that so it would stop shielding someone who happens to run by and putting myself in danger when I try to shield myself.

CaptainBeerDude · June 2017

Something, something prioritise players...

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · June 2017

Just use crit surge, heals you and your pets.

sentientomega · June 2017

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Something, something prioritise players...

So, you like your twilight heals not going where you want them to, then?

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I wish Healing Ward would be like that so it would stop shielding someone who happens to run by and putting myself in danger when I try to shield myself.

Exactly, in fact, no heals or shields to anyone else except ourselves, or a group we're in. Even on chars of mine who self-heals aren't the best, I could live with that.

CaptainBeerDude · June 2017

sentientomega wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Something, something prioritise players...

So, you like your twilight heals not going where you want them to, then?

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I wish Healing Ward would be like that so it would stop shielding someone who happens to run by and putting myself in danger when I try to shield myself.

Exactly, in fact, no heals or shields to anyone else except ourselves, or a group we're in. Even on chars of mine who self-heals aren't the best, I could live with that.

Nothing to do with like. I believe the system is set up to prioritise players. You would prefer this as a healer in group content.

sentientomega · June 2017

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

sentientomega wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Something, something prioritise players...

So, you like your twilight heals not going where you want them to, then?

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I wish Healing Ward would be like that so it would stop shielding someone who happens to run by and putting myself in danger when I try to shield myself.

Exactly, in fact, no heals or shields to anyone else except ourselves, or a group we're in. Even on chars of mine who self-heals aren't the best, I could live with that.

Nothing to do with like. I believe the system is set up to prioritise players. You would prefer this as a healer in group content.

I know, that's not the issue. But, do you know what I've noticed? The twilight won't bother to heal my clannfear as much as it will heal a player at full health.

This is an obvious flaw, and so I say that unless you're in a group (which in group content would be advisable), at least the twilight heal shouldn't affect anyone else but you and your pets.

But with the knowledge of this flaw, trolls could just hang around and sabotage healing, I find that to be quite an annoyance.

AcadianPaladin · June 2017

My matriarch/clannfear sorc runs dual lightning staves so the matriarch is the only non-self heal I have. I love being able to push it to other players and that it prioritizes that way. That is, I prefer it the way it is. The first two heals always go to me and matriarch, the third to my clannfear unless another player is around. The only improvement I'd like to see is for other players not to get the heal if they are at 100%.

It does take a bit of thinking on my part. If I'm soloing a WB then I know me and my two pets will get all the heals. If others are around, I know I'll need to rely on the clannfear's heal specifically to heal him. The only time that ever gets to be a problem is when I'm soloing a WB and another player shows up who doesn't help enough to justify the heals he gets. If the other player delivers moderate dps or tanking, it is fine.

I also run a magplar healer so have a good grasp of healing. Much of the reason a sorc can be a very good healer is because the matriarch is such a strong easy to use burst heal. As a healer the 'only if grouped' thing would be terribly frustrating. Much of my healer's satisfaction is from encountering younger players who may be in a spot of trouble. Dropping that heavy burst matriarch heal on them even if not grouped is important - at least to me.

Linaleah · June 2017

they should just give matriarch her self healing back. I like being able to heal players even if I'm not in a formal group with them. i don't like my matriarch dying because... reasons? pets not having passive healing anymore makes NO sense to me.

faerigirl · June 2017

Sorc pets are generally screwed up at the moment. Sometimes they get stuck in walls or they just don't follow you.

They need a lot of help.

sentientomega · June 2017

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

My matriarch/clannfear sorc runs dual lightning staves so the matriarch is the only non-self heal I have. I love being able to push it to other players and that it prioritizes that way. That is, I prefer it the way it is. The first two heals always go to me and matriarch, the third to my clannfear unless another player is around. The only improvement I'd like to see is for other players not to get the heal if they are at 100%.

It does take a bit of thinking on my part. If I'm soloing a WB then I know me and my two pets will get all the heals. If others are around, I know I'll need to rely on the clannfear's heal specifically to heal him. The only time that ever gets to be a problem is when I'm soloing a WB and another player shows up who doesn't help enough to justify the heals he gets. If the other player delivers moderate dps or tanking, it is fine.

I also run a magplar healer so have a good grasp of healing. Much of the reason a sorc can be a very good healer is because the matriarch is such a strong easy to use burst heal. As a healer the 'only if grouped' thing would be terribly frustrating. Much of my healer's satisfaction is from encountering younger players who may be in a spot of trouble. Dropping that heavy burst matriarch heal on them even if not grouped is important - at least to me.

How about this? A menu option under the Combat section to decide whether or not the twilight matriarch (just this one, not any other heal) will heal just you and your pets, or behave as it does now, correcting for other players not being healed when at 100%. Then you can continue to aid the players you'd care to render such to, and I can make sure those I feel should get priority are taken care of.

If I'm not grouped, I need my matriarch's less expensive and more effective heal to go to the clannfear much more than another player, especially since my clannfear often acts as the de facto tank in any given overland situation.

idk · June 2017

Thats how healing in this game works. If heals were limited to group members things like AvA would require healers to group up. Some don't want to.

AcadianPaladin · June 2017

OP's concern is legitimate and perfectly understandable. For a sorc running a matriarch (strongest heal in the game) and a volatile familar, that sorc has no way to heal the familiar short of taking up a resto staff if the matriarch's heals fly off to other players instead of her familiar.

I just give priority to being able to heal random players with my matriarch and don't want the need to group to do so.

sentientomega · June 2017

Well, since the player base seems to be so utterly hell-bent on sacrificing their sorc pets for other players, the option to prioritise healing for ourselves and our pets over other players is still needed. Twilight heals *should* work like this: Summoning sorc>twilight>clannfear/familiar*>*other players, if you can tick an option under Combat which would allow that.

The current system is broken, when a sorc's twilight continually heals a player at 100% health while the same sorc's clannfear gets absolutely no healing when it's clearly in dire need around *any* player whatsoever, regardless of health level, that is *broken*. If it worked, players with 100% health wouldn't be given heals that they've no need for and that the other pets do have a need for. It is a waste of resources, as is being forced to use a clannfear heal to heal same when a twilight heal should prioritise them, healing them for more at lower cost.

Beardimus · June 2017

Hmm, see what you are asking but any change would need to still work for Sorc healers. Most people using Matriach are using it for others, not self.

Illurian · June 2017

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

OP's concern is legitimate and perfectly understandable. For a sorc running a matriarch (strongest heal in the game) and a volatile familar, that sorc has no way to heal the familiar short of taking up a resto staff if the matriarch's heals fly off to other players instead of her familiar.

I just give priority to being able to heal random players with my matriarch and don't want the need to group to do so.

BoL be like

sentientomega · June 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Hmm, see what you are asking but any change would need to still work for Sorc healers. Most people using Matriach are using it for others, not self.

When I heal, so do I, and so away goes my clannfear. When I'm not, I'm using the clannfear to tank, and given the removal of passive healing for pets, I need the heal to go to them, especially since they *are* the designated tank in most situations in which I find myself.

F7sus4 · June 2017

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I wish Healing Ward would be like that so it would stop shielding someone who happens to run by and putting myself in danger when I try to shield myself.

To avoid this you go with Ward Ally morph.