PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING NIGHTBLADES.

aToken · June 2017

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. The skill puts the person invisible, and un-targeteable. There is no cost increase for repetaded use and all resource revocery is at full while stealthed. Its extremly unfair for players to simpley vanish and regain resources by simple "cloaking". Skill such as streak and dodge roll have increased cost on repeated use. and Mist form stop magicka recovery as well as no healing received. Stealth needs to be set on par with the others skills. Please look into this or justify why there is no penatly for repeated use of this skill with absoleutly no side affect. I understand that "stleath" is a nb thing. But streak is a sorcer thing and recieved a nerf long long ago. PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING nightblades.

Sandman929 · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. The skill puts the person invisible, and un-targeteable. There is no cost increase for repetaded use and all resource revocery is at full while stealthed. Its extremly unfair for players to simpley vanish and regain resources by simple "cloaking". Skill such as streak and dodge roll have increased cost on repeated use. and Mist form stop magicka recovery as well as no healing received. Stealth needs to be set on par with the others skills. Please look into this or justify why there is no penatly for repeated use of this skill with absoleutly no side affect. I understand that "stleath" is a nb thing. But streak is a sorcer thing and recieved a nerf long long ago. PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING nightblades.

Oh they'll justify it alright....incoming.

AverageJo3Gam3r · June 2017

If you have problems with cloak then slot a skill to counter it. Magelight will do it. Caltrops or volley will do it. Jabs and sweeps and shards. Streak or lightning form or hurricane. Mark. Volatile armor. Ice shards or shalks should do it. Heck, they even made a flare skill if you really hate them that much.

Each class has a way to combat cloak and there are multiple class neutral options. As a mDK, I go full offense and stay on top of the NB and use volatile armor to pull them out of cloak.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

If you have problems with cloak then slot a skill to counter it. Magelight will do it. Caltrops or volley will do it. Jabs and sweeps and shards. Streak or lightning form or hurricane. Mark. Volatile armor. Ice shards or shalks should do it. Heck, they even made a flare skill if you really hate them that much.

Each class has a way to combat cloak and there are multiple class neutral options. As a mDK, I go full offense and stay on top of the NB and use volatile armor to pull them out of cloak.

Don't forget detect pots!

aToken · June 2017

Breaking their stealth isnt the problem here. Its the repeated use ofthe the skill with no side affect i have chased nb across the map hitting the with subterian assault or volatile armor. as soon as they are un-stleathed they immeditaly go back in to stealth. There should be no recovry during stealth or the cost should encrease substantially on repeadted cast. one of the two. nb stealth shouldnt be left like this while other skills were nerfed.

FlyLionel · June 2017

@aToken Your account says you've just started playing since April, is this true?

TimeDazzler · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. /quote]

Wait what? Stab blades cannot stealth indefinitely... maximum 2-3 times in a row,

aToken · June 2017

I have been playing since launch. What does this matter?

FlyLionel · June 2017

Because you've been playing since launch and you take the time now to bring this to light. @DeadlyRecluse has the answer.

aToken · June 2017

When u encounter a stam blade that use tri revocery or gold food. U will know what i am talking about.

akray21 · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. The skill puts the person invisible, and un-targeteable. There is no cost increase for repetaded use and all resource revocery is at full while stealthed. Its extremly unfair for players to simpley vanish and regain resources by simple "cloaking". Skill such as streak and dodge roll have increased cost on repeated use. and Mist form stop magicka recovery as well as no healing received. Stealth needs to be set on par with the others skills. Please look into this or justify why there is no penatly for repeated use of this skill with absoleutly no side affect. I understand that "stleath" is a nb thing. But streak is a sorcer thing and recieved a nerf long long ago. PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING nightblades.

Umm... How can a stamblade cloak indefinitely? In no CP I can only cloak 3 times before OOM... And that's if I'm at full magicka and perfectly time my cloaks.

aToken · June 2017

FlyLionel i only recieved my forum invite in april

lolo_01b16_ESO · June 2017

From my experience (stam) nbs are currently the easiest class to kill if you survive their initial burst.
And as mentioned before, there are so many counters to stealth (pots, magelight, ground target skills, skills with delayed damage, ...)

Btw, I'd love to have a potion that prevents my enemies from using shields within 20m radius around me.

Xvorg · June 2017

What's next, let's nerf templar heals? Let's take away flame dmg from Dks? Sorcs OP, nerf shie... ok, not...

SHADOW2KK · June 2017

I main a stamblade and can cloak 3/4 times, there are many ways to counter cloak, instead of wanting nerfs, l2p, no offence.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

Because you've been playing since launch and you take the time now to bring this to light. @DeadlyRecluse has the answer.

Huzzah for a rudimentary knowledge of alchemy!

aToken · June 2017

Once again, Breaking their stleath isnt the problem. ITs the repeated use of the skill with no side affects. NB stealth is being spammed with no donwside.

aToken · June 2017

I dont expect any of the nb stealth spammers to side with me on this. All i have seen so far are the ones that spam the skill and are afraid of having to play them game out of stealth ocaisionly.

Xvorg · June 2017

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

I main a stamblade and can cloak 3/4 times, there are many ways to counter cloak, instead of wanting nerfs, l2p, no offence.

What a wonderful skill is that called "radiant magelight". Not only prevents stuns from stelath, also reveals enemies and grants major prophecy. Not to mention the passives, a 2% extra magicka regen and Empower at will.

Imho it's the best PvP in this game, useful not nly for mag builds but for stam builds too.

Turelus · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. The skill puts the person invisible, and un-targeteable. There is no cost increase for repetaded use and all resource revocery is at full while stealthed. Its extremly unfair for players to simpley vanish and regain resources by simple "cloaking". Skill such as streak and dodge roll have increased cost on repeated use. and Mist form stop magicka recovery as well as no healing received. Stealth needs to be set on par with the others skills. Please look into this or justify why there is no penatly for repeated use of this skill with absoleutly no side affect. I understand that "stleath" is a nb thing. But streak is a sorcer thing and recieved a nerf long long ago. PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING nightblades.

There are a large number of hard counters to this, most already said in the thread.

There is a potion which literally negates the skills use, no other class in the game has their signature defence ability deactivated by a potion and no option to counter that.

Otherwise here is a list of things which work.

AoE
Detect Potions
Mage Light
Revealing Flare
Using any bugs which seem to always be present against it.

lolo_01b16_ESO · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

Once again, Breaking their stleath isnt the problem. ITs the repeated use of the skill with no side affects. NB stealth is being spammed with no donwside.

But how is that a problem? If you break the stealth once, many stamblades are dead before they can stealth again.
Both, magelight and pots will prevent them from stealth for some time. And even if you don't want to use magelight or pots, you can just use a combo like haunting curse + mages wrath + soul assault on them. That should be enough for most of them.

KingJ · June 2017

I'll stop cloaking a lot when NB have major mending or change dark cloak to major protection. Until than I'm cloak like crazy.

FlyLionel · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

FlyLionel i only recieved my forum invite in april

Gotcha.

Stealth/Invisibility has the most counters in this game then anything else I can think of, Detect pots/AOE/Other NBs using pierce/streaking through /keep curse up etc. The rule is(Or was?) that DKs/Templars have the stand ground mitigation/high healing while NBs have their cloaks/image and Sorcerers have shield/mobility/dark deal. There is a general playstyle with each class, yes. Does cloak over perform or is the player who is against it not using the tools necessary to counter it?

Surely you realize that simply chasing the NB across the map will net you results like this? Listen, long time folk will either pop a detect pot on perm-stealth NB's cause to be honest they are probably not great players. If a player is on the defensive and is just cloaking and running away from one person and you do not use detect pots that is a mistake because you need time to kill, surely you know that detect pots give enough time to burst someone down. Chasing a stealth NB without the right tools is on your end and deserves zero nerfs.

Don't you remember playing when streak had no penalty? MSorcerers were streaking through zergs and toying with them for fun. Specifically running ball of lightning and taking zero ranged damage while having unmatched mobility. Really? Try cloaking through an entire zerg and tell me if it's comparable.

Derra · June 2017

I just hope zos uses old code again so cloak get put back in a remotely balanced state by being fundamentally broken like it was last patch.

A stamblade that´s built for cloaking can´t be caught by any projectile based built that does not have access to mark - unless they´re bad.

Edit: This was obviously sarcasm. I don´t want abilities to be broken. I want counterplay that works reliably without being useless against everything else.

Bashev · June 2017

Derra wrote: »

I just hope zos uses old code again so cloak get put back in a remotely balanced state by being fundamentally broken like it was last patch.

A stamblade that´s built for cloaking can´t be caught by any projectile based built that does not have access to mark - unless they´re bad.

This man got it. Listen to him. Currently when cloak is fixed it is OP. Magicka NBs can absolutely spam it. Stamina ones use speed and roll dodge and then cloak. The only real counter is Mark target and it is accessible only for other NBs.

Gilvoth · June 2017

horrible suggestion and i hope it never happens.
i am pure stealth based game play and so is everyone who plays a nightblade. its what we do [we stealth]

FlyLionel · June 2017

Bashev wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I just hope zos uses old code again so cloak get put back in a remotely balanced state by being fundamentally broken like it was last patch.

A stamblade that´s built for cloaking can´t be caught by any projectile based built that does not have access to mark - unless they´re bad.

This man got it. Listen to him. Currently when cloak is fixed it is OP. Magicka NBs can absolutely spam it. Stamina ones use speed and roll dodge and then cloak. The only real counter is Mark target and it is accessible only for other NBs.

@Bashev So now that it's working as intended throughout all these years it is now OP? I'm confused(Haven't pvp'd yet this patch), are you not able to counter NBs at all? Detect pots/Aoe/Magelight/Flare is not a 'real' counter anymore? Interesting.

Comfortably_Buzzed · June 2017

aToken wrote: »

As of now, nightblades both mag and stam based, are able to stealth infinitly almost. The skill puts the person invisible, and un-targeteable. There is no cost increase for repetaded use and all resource revocery is at full while stealthed. Its extremly unfair for players to simpley vanish and regain resources by simple "cloaking".

Stamblades can't cloak infinitely, but they can put a lot of distance between themselves and you in the few seconds they can stay invisible. Unless a magblade has seriously invested into sustain and cost reduction they'll still be at a net magicka loss when cloaking, though admittedly not by much.

aToken wrote: »

Skill such as streak and dodge roll have increased cost on repeated use. and Mist form stop magicka recovery as well as no healing received. Stealth needs to be set on par with the others skills. Please look into this or justify why there is no penatly for repeated use of this skill with absoleutly no side affect. I understand that "stleath" is a nb thing. But streak is a sorcer thing and recieved a nerf long long ago. PLEASE NERF STEALTH SPAMMING nightblades.

Cloaking has more hard counters than all three of those combined. Give me a skill that pulls someone out of mistform, or prevents roll dodging or streaking, then lets talk. I didn't used to run mark but I've started b/c of how many nightblades there seem to be now. There are AT LEAST half a dozen other skills I'd rather slot but it shuts down stamblades so well that it's become a necessity when I'm solo or in a small group.

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2017

After playing magblade a bit I have come to realize Cloak is useless. The grass is always greener on the other side I only use Dark Cloak for the 8% minor protection and shadow barrier buffs.

Nightblades work the way they do because they don't have a skill that gives them Major Resolve and Ward for long durations like the other classes do, and no access to Major Mending or Burst heals within their class spec

They are designed to be slippery. Stamblade s are impossible to lock down and kill without detect pots or something, magblades on the other hand die far easier if not built to be tanky

Anti_Virus · June 2017

Use magelight.

Barbaran · June 2017

i find nbs super annoying to fight.
come out of nowhere with huge burst and as soon as you avoid and start offence, poof theyre out.. but... detect pots.
i always have em on me, super funny to pop them and watch them keep trying to stealth while you grt free burst on them