Stamina Nightblades....yeah beating the dead horse

TheShadowScout · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina NB...

Yeah, that's how it felt for me as well.

At first.

Then I learned...

...and now I have most fun with my ole stamblade main!

Facing 3 mobs? Come into my Baharas curse, fools... I'll dance around them and wear them down, having fun doing so. If they even remain three, most likely I will see them before they aggro me and one of them will be gone in the first exchange...

Survivability? The curse heals me also, as do the lifedrain weapon enchants and whenever one of my enemies gets to low HP I stab them dead and myself healed... as long as I pay attention and manage my stamina to roll/block the big stuff, no problem. And for emergencies I have my ultimate with healing effect as well... or the vigor I had to PvP for...

Questing? I can sneak past them even with crouched more often then not, and as soon as they turn their backs its blade of woe time... and for emergencies I can cloak for enough time to get out of a tight spot. Though if one does not rely on that, and pays more attention, one can often avoid emergencies altogether...

Playstyle? Uhm... yeah, I admit, it takes way more attention then the truly "Just nom popcorn while lifedraining your way to victory" magblade. That's what -makes- it more fun!

In the end, you will just need to choose your gear, skills and such to offset your class-build weakness.
Survivability gear like briarheart of baharas curse makes a stamblade life much, much easier (though I still wish there was some gear that had a similar "heal on damage" effect more suited to stamblading... some vampiric "bloodletter" set that heals on every damage dealt and most importantly looks better with the red clasds skill effects then yellow thorns or blue curses perhaps?)
And either DW with blood craze or 2H with rally is also pretty important for a stamblade... as in "dead without it" important.
Yeah, stamblades suck in that thery have no "oh, crud" skill like DK-GDB, Sorc-shields, templar-healing... and not the magica to keep the skills they do have in constant operation like magblades. But while that makes them "hardmode" they do have enough effective skill combos to get by nicely relying more on their weapon skills and player ability... and the extra thought you may need to spend on their gaming is what makes it more enjoyable anyhow...

The OP is right though that magblades are "easymode". As in "yawn, boooooring!" school of playstyle. Good for noobies, but once a player learns how to stamblade, many may seek the playstyle that keeps them interested I would presume...

Izaki · June 2017

Hmm... Ever thought of using a heal on the stamblade? Like Vigor? Hell, even Leeching Strikes gets the job done against random mobs or quest bosses.

vpy · June 2017

Koensol wrote: »

I'm getting so tired of this "stam nb's can't solo" bs. Seriously, vigor, rally, brawler, blood craze, bloodthirst, reaper's mark, leeching strikes, shuffle/mirage, draining shot, killer's blade and deadly cloak are skills that are all available to stam nb and will make soloing mobs absolute peanuts. If you are still dying, slot swallow soul (yes even on stamina it's okay) for 10% increased healing received and get some increased healing CP. You can even tag on a vampire's kiss set for 6k healing over 5 sec after killing a mob. You should not need that though.

If you build your stam nb for sustain, you can solo almost all worldbosses in full medium, with exception of the dlc wb's. You can also solo some vet dungeons or at least some of the bosses. Gear:
- 5 Bahraha's curse
- 5 Vampire's kiss
- 2 malubeth

Skill bar 1:
Ult: Soul harvest (with the ult generation from this in AoE situations, you can almost spam soul tether)
- Rally
- Mirage
- Leeching strikes
- Refreshing path
- Brawler

Skill bar 2:
Ult: Soul tether (aka godmode)
- Swallow soul / Deadly cloak (depending on situation)
- Blood craze
- Blood thirst
- Steel tornado
- Killer's blade

It is so damn easy. Skyreach catacombs, you almost don't even have to do anything. Your life will simple rocket up everytime you are hit. You cannot die if you play with his build, except when you get hit flat on your back like a nub by a power attack. You can still do about 15k dps when leveling (if you have a good amount of cp) which is more than fine. Plus it is really fun build to play.

So please guys, stop moaning about stam nb not being able to survive. It is just your lack of creativity that makes you die like a scrub.

Mate

Wheres the stealth ?

IlCanis_LupuslI · June 2017

I play my stamblade in heavy armor as a Werwolf and while questing and PvP im doing fine....

Koensol · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

I'm getting so tired of this "stam nb's can't solo" bs. Seriously, vigor, rally, brawler, blood craze, bloodthirst, reaper's mark, leeching strikes, shuffle/mirage, draining shot, killer's blade and deadly cloak are skills that are all available to stam nb and will make soloing mobs absolute peanuts. If you are still dying, slot swallow soul (yes even on stamina it's okay) for 10% increased healing received and get some increased healing CP. You can even tag on a vampire's kiss set for 6k healing over 5 sec after killing a mob. You should not need that though.

If you build your stam nb for sustain, you can solo almost all worldbosses in full medium, with exception of the dlc wb's. You can also solo some vet dungeons or at least some of the bosses. Gear:
- 5 Bahraha's curse
- 5 Vampire's kiss
- 2 malubeth

Skill bar 1:
Ult: Soul harvest (with the ult generation from this in AoE situations, you can almost spam soul tether)
- Rally
- Mirage
- Leeching strikes
- Refreshing path
- Brawler

Skill bar 2:
Ult: Soul tether (aka godmode)
- Swallow soul / Deadly cloak (depending on situation)
- Blood craze
- Blood thirst
- Steel tornado
- Killer's blade

It is so damn easy. Skyreach catacombs, you almost don't even have to do anything. Your life will simple rocket up everytime you are hit. You cannot die if you play with his build, except when you get hit flat on your back like a nub by a power attack. You can still do about 15k dps when leveling (if you have a good amount of cp) which is more than fine. Plus it is really fun build to play.

So please guys, stop moaning about stam nb not being able to survive. It is just your lack of creativity that makes you die like a scrub.

Mate

Wheres the stealth ?

You don't really need it for PvE content, if anything it makes mob reset at full health if used for too long. But if you are keen on using it, just replace a skill on bar 1 for cloak. I'd recommend replacing refreshing path in that case. The thing is you need to have at least 1 shadow ability in your rotation, for the major resolve and major ward buff from the 'shadow barrier' passive.

ArchMikem · June 2017

I noticed you were a fairly new player, yet here you are already gracing the forum with lovely nerf/buff threads. Welcome to the club buddy.

AdicusDio · June 2017

I finally swapped weapon enchants for my dw stam nb on one weapon, to the (base) 1900 magic damage + 354 stam return. IF it deals crit damage, it'll restore nearly 3k stam on mine. Between that, constant stam regen pot buffs, 15% passive regen here, 15% there, 20% there, etc. + ALL stam enchants on armor, it's barely manageable with constant stam abilities active. So long as the regen isn't bugged (which it seems to be about 80% of the time where it hangs too long before up-ticking). It those cases, I have to hold heavy attack down and hope it's not a boss with a 1-shot kill attack.

Anne_Firehawk · June 2017

#Cringe

AdicusDio · June 2017

Also, unmorph Spinning attack to the other one. It adds major endurance buff (even if not attacking anything, spinning by yourself), which gives a 20% regen boost during the buff. It doesn't have the attack radius, but the 20% is better than giving up an Ult. slot to get less from WW being on the bar.

Incubusphan · June 2017

stamblade is broken strong right now, it takes a competent player.

AdicusDio · June 2017

Koensol wrote: »

I'm getting so tired of this "stam nb's can't solo" bs. Seriously, vigor, rally, brawler, blood craze, bloodthirst, reaper's mark, leeching strikes, shuffle/mirage, draining shot, killer's blade and deadly cloak are skills that are all available to stam nb and will make soloing mobs absolute peanuts. If you are still dying, slot swallow soul (yes even on stamina it's okay) for 10% increased healing received and get some increased healing CP. You can even tag on a vampire's kiss set for 6k healing over 5 sec after killing a mob. You should not need that though.

If you build your stam nb for sustain, you can solo almost all worldbosses in full medium, with exception of the dlc wb's. You can also solo some vet dungeons or at least some of the bosses. Gear:
- 5 Bahraha's curse
- 5 Vampire's kiss
- 2 malubeth

Skill bar 1:
Ult: Soul harvest (with the ult generation from this in AoE situations, you can almost spam soul tether)
- Rally
- Mirage
- Leeching strikes
- Refreshing path
- Brawler

Skill bar 2:
Ult: Soul tether (aka godmode)
- Swallow soul / Deadly cloak (depending on situation)
- Blood craze
- Blood thirst
- Steel tornado
- Killer's blade

It is so damn easy. Skyreach catacombs, you almost don't even have to do anything. Your life will simple rocket up everytime you are hit. You cannot die if you play with his build, except when you get hit flat on your back like a nub by a power attack. You can still do about 15k dps when leveling (if you have a good amount of cp) which is more than fine. Plus it is really fun build to play.

So please guys, stop moaning about stam nb not being able to survive. It is just your lack of creativity that makes you die like a scrub.

15k dps makes one the scrub if talking aoe. If you are capped CP, I doubt you have sustained 15k dps on vet bosses single-target with that build.

For the rest of us with tons invested into making our characters stronger with end-game gold gear tailored to max single-target sustained damage (not aoe dps on 3 enemies in a mob which artificially inflates dps numbers i.e 5k x 3 = 15k or 5k x 10 in a mob), it's pita when you drop 4 stam (caltrops, raining, reaper's, focused) abilities to buff/debuff self/enemies, ALL before even doing any actual melee.

Take your nonsense elsewhere.

Aisle9 · June 2017

Here's my perspective:

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB

Facing 3 mobs :

Stamina NB : Gonna die now...deep breath...Okay let me see whether I have soul summons or soul gem available when I rez
Magicka NB : Hmm..only 3 mobs....damn wish I could have aggroed a couple more while I spam Siphon/Wall/Pulsar/Refreshing Path

Magicka NB: mh, only 3 mobs, better to aggro more, because when I'm done spamming sap essence I'll be out of magicka.
Stamina NB: mh, 3 mobs, let me spam steel tornado (truckload of damage, and built in execute) xD

vpy wrote: »

Survivability
My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB
Stamina NB : Dear God..let the boss not do a wrecking blow...plzz....Block/Roll/Dodge/Interrupt....
Magicka NB : When the boss does a wrecking blow...yawn....i dont care..cos I got double shield with annulment/ward and BOP/Rapid Regen can bring my HP back 1-3 secs...lol

Magicka NB: I can do this all day... gawd, I really hope I don't have to, my wrist is hurting. Also, let's hope they don't hit me while my 6seconds shield is down, or they will obliterate me (light armor).
Stamina NB: let me ambush this guy... oh... dead, meh, ok, let me ambush this one... meh, dead too... let's see what happens if I surprise attack this one... meh, dead again. Oh, a big one, let me incap... oh, dead (._. )

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB
Questing

Stamina NB : Cant avoid trash mobs cos my stealth sucks and have got to do that "poor-mans-stealth" aka crouch
Magicka NB : Just go directly to the quest mob/objective/boss...who has da time to fight trash...we are godmode ..heck yeah

Magicka NB: I can avoid all mobs and go straight to the main boss.
Stamina NB: let me pop deadly cloak, and let's just spam steel nado along the way, and watch everything get stomped...

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB
Playstyle
Stamina NB : Need to have a hightuned muscle memory/hand-eye coordination stuff to kill a mob and survive
Magicka NB : Play with one hand and another hand for eating popcorn...just smash my one hand with whatever I have of this "Siphon/Unstable Wall/Refreshing Path/Pulsar" and let my resto staff take care of my HP...Very relaxing and no stress playstyle

Magicka NB: My shield is about to go down, let me recast it, my buffs are about to go down, let me recast them, ok, finally I can attack... oh, my dots are going down...ok. My shield is about to go down...
Stamina NB: Arrow Barrage, lol... steel nado, lol... bai

OP don't get me wrong, Magicka NB is awesome, it's my main, but stamina NB, while not having the same built in survival tools, has unparalleled single target burst.

Is it easy to use? no, it's not. Is it the best class for PvE? again, probably not the easiest. Is it a powerful class? Lol, yeah.

Also, go check all the "nerf stamblades" threads to see what the general opinion is in PvP

Blackleopardex · June 2017

Learn the class before posting complaints about it. Sure there are things to complain about but this is just sad.

Koensol · June 2017

AdicusDio wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

I'm getting so tired of this "stam nb's can't solo" bs. Seriously, vigor, rally, brawler, blood craze, bloodthirst, reaper's mark, leeching strikes, shuffle/mirage, draining shot, killer's blade and deadly cloak are skills that are all available to stam nb and will make soloing mobs absolute peanuts. If you are still dying, slot swallow soul (yes even on stamina it's okay) for 10% increased healing received and get some increased healing CP. You can even tag on a vampire's kiss set for 6k healing over 5 sec after killing a mob. You should not need that though.

If you build your stam nb for sustain, you can solo almost all worldbosses in full medium, with exception of the dlc wb's. You can also solo some vet dungeons or at least some of the bosses. Gear:
- 5 Bahraha's curse
- 5 Vampire's kiss
- 2 malubeth

Skill bar 1:
Ult: Soul harvest (with the ult generation from this in AoE situations, you can almost spam soul tether)
- Rally
- Mirage
- Leeching strikes
- Refreshing path
- Brawler

Skill bar 2:
Ult: Soul tether (aka godmode)
- Swallow soul / Deadly cloak (depending on situation)
- Blood craze
- Blood thirst
- Steel tornado
- Killer's blade

It is so damn easy. Skyreach catacombs, you almost don't even have to do anything. Your life will simple rocket up everytime you are hit. You cannot die if you play with his build, except when you get hit flat on your back like a nub by a power attack. You can still do about 15k dps when leveling (if you have a good amount of cp) which is more than fine. Plus it is really fun build to play.

So please guys, stop moaning about stam nb not being able to survive. It is just your lack of creativity that makes you die like a scrub.

15k dps makes one the scrub if talking aoe. If you are capped CP, I doubt you have sustained 15k dps on vet bosses single-target with that build.

For the rest of us with tons invested into making our characters stronger with end-game gold gear tailored to max single-target sustained damage (not aoe dps on 3 enemies in a mob which artificially inflates dps numbers i.e 5k x 3 = 15k or 5k x 10 in a mob), it's pita when you drop 4 stam (caltrops, raining, reaper's, focused) abilities to buff/debuff self/enemies, ALL before even doing any actual melee.

Take your nonsense elsewhere.

Wow... someone didn't read the thread and obviously missed the point. OP was having trouble with packs of 3 mobs. Nowhere did he ask for a BiS endgame build. And nowhere did I say my build is viable for endgame. Because it isn't.

Also, stop filling in blanks for me. I'm talking "15k dps when leveling". Single target. I normally do 40k dps on AoE. But that doesn't even matter... Again, you fail to read and try to brainwash me into the standard stam dungeon build. That is not the point of this thread. This build is not made for min maxers. It is made for leveling, fun, survivability, and more importantly, it is a beast when farming and grinding in massive AoE situations such as in Skyreach, Spellscar, normal trial add packs, you name it.

OP had trouble surviving, I provided a build with which you cannot die and still clear overland quest content fast, while being able to solo world bosses. Meanwhile, what did you contribute apart from some serious comic relief?

IlCanis_LupuslI · June 2017

Or just use th Werwolf, once mastered and combined with Salvation (armor set) it becomes quote handy and very strong in PvP provided you have the right setup. The nightblades passives of 15% extra rec. And fast Ulti recharge make it very suitable for a Werwolf Build

Shardan4968 · June 2017

I'm new player and I don't have problems with my stamblade. As AoE I have Deadly Cloak, Whirling Blades and Arrow Barrage. For one target I use Ambush and then spamming powerful Suprise Attacks and light attacks between them or lethal arrow. For healing I use Resolving Vigor and Draining Shot which also knocks enemies back. I don't spend any attribute points on magicka, but I have enough to use Mass Hysteria in PvP. I don't feel like someone worse than others and I'm proud of my Stamblade.

F7sus4 · June 2017

If you sweat and die to 3 mobs on stamNB you're a lowest sort of shrug, kind sir.

SilverWF · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB

Facing 3 mobs :

Stamina NB : Gonna die now...deep breath...Okay let me see whether I have soul summons or soul gem available when I rez

What game are you playing btw?

Judgedread101071 · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VncQTzMSE&feature=youtu.be

I don't think you are right mate.

Stannum · June 2017

Looks like you're doing smthing wrong

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB

Facing 3 mobs :

Stamina NB : Gonna die now...deep breath...Okay let me see whether I have soul summons or soul gem available when I rez

momentum, focus, 14k hp crit on acid spray hit? Guys you have no chances evet to come close. I will not even place endless hail

Survivability
Stamina NB : Dear God..let the boss not do a wrecking blow...plzz....Block/Roll/Dodge/Interrupt....

Rolldodge, and few LA to heal while charging focus and boosting bow passive

Questing

Stamina NB : Cant avoid trash mobs cos my stealth sucks and have got to do that "poor-mans-stealth" aka crouch

pull all trash in the area and end them with 3-4 acid spay spam = tons of exp.

Taself · June 2017

I love my Stamblade to the point I made another. Yes there are issues, but they are so damn fun to play.
Oh and soloing stuff apart from world bosses is not an issue. Honestly think if I was a better player that wouldn't be a problem either

Flameheart · June 2017

My magblade is enviously looking on the dps scores of my stamblade in PvE group play and even more envious when it comes to sustain.

I might agree that a stamblade is a tad more vulnerable when it comes to soloplay, but it does not make any palpable difference. Solo play is far too easy in this game for making a difference.

Furinol · June 2017

I was having issues surviving with my stamblade as dual wield (no vigor) but used the cheap skill reset from morrowind to go two-handed.

Between leeching strikes and brawler things got pretty easy. I had switched to two handed mainly for rally but by the time I got it I found I barely needed it. Enjoying the stamblade quite a bit now. I also find the two hander animations to be more visually satisfying. I still need to tweak the build quite a bit but survivability isn't an issue anymore.

Aisle9 · June 2017

Rally has a heal over time and a burst heal. No need to go into cyro for vigor.

Vigor is great, though.

GreenhaloX · June 2017

vpy wrote: »

My experience in playing Stamina/Magicka NB

Facing 3 mobs :

Stamina NB : Gonna die now...deep breath...Okay let me see whether I have soul summons or soul gem available when I rez
Magicka NB : Hmm..only 3 mobs....damn wish I could have aggroed a couple more while I spam Siphon/Wall/Pulsar/Refreshing Path

Survivability

Stamina NB : Dear God..let the boss not do a wrecking blow...plzz....Block/Roll/Dodge/Interrupt....
Magicka NB : When the boss does a wrecking blow...yawn....i dont care..cos I got double shield with annulment/ward and BOP/Rapid Regen can bring my HP back 1-3 secs...lol

Questing

Stamina NB : Cant avoid trash mobs cos my stealth sucks and have got to do that "poor-mans-stealth" aka crouch
Magicka NB : Just go directly to the quest mob/objective/boss...who has da time to fight trash...we are godmode ..heck yeah

Playstyle
Stamina NB : Need to have a hightuned muscle memory/hand-eye coordination stuff to kill a mob and survive
Magicka NB : Play with one hand and another hand for eating popcorn...just smash my one hand with whatever I have of this "Siphon/Unstable Wall/Refreshing Path/Pulsar" and let my resto staff take care of my HP...Very relaxing and no stress playstyle

Finally in the words of Eilina of Daggerfall Mages Guild

Elites like us (mag NB) dont deem ourselves in fighting a foe up close...:)

Having said all that I DID love Stamina NBs earlier but then I found out that Stam (especially NB) are the bottom of the bunch whose only useful thing in the game is looking fierce (da loser kitty does look fierce amirite?) for that screenshot or for annoying folks in PVP....sadly they got nothing good beyond that..

Sorry, you're having issues with your NB. Can empathize with that, since this patch is a sad state for all stam toons. However, ok.. are you talking about with PvP? Cause in PvE, I don't seem to have those issues you have mentioned. Yes, this patch is a sad state for all stam toons, but whatever, re-adjust, game-on. What the *beep* else can you do; rage quit..? Ha ha. Anyways, now that the little ranting is over, I don't seem to have much issue with melting down adds or mobs in PvE with my StamBlade. For dpsing.. throwing out Endless Hail, then Twisting Path, and a couple Rapid Strikes, are melting down any adds or mobs just fine. For giggles and grins, may thrown out Reaper's Mark, Shrouded Daggers or Ambush. No problem with melting down those 6 adds at the start of any dolmen or any adds/mobs at any public dungeon or delves.

For sustainability, heavy attack, heavy attack.. too easy; fills back up the stam pool and can combo it with Rapid Strikes to throw out more juice. Survivability.. Sap Essence, Vigor and even Deadly Cloak; fair just fine. Granted, I can't solo some of those world bosses I normally could, prior to this patch, but with a couple more toons in the mix, my StamBlade doesn't have any problem dpsing or surviving at any world boss pit. Mind you, I'm also on treasure hunter mode.

Fiskerton · June 2017

Do stamblades just not use Killers Blade? It heals you. You literally just kill things one by one and they go down in droves and you end at full health.

Start from hidden -> ambush -> light - surprise attack -> light killers blade and anything in overworld but a boss is dead. The rest are just the same thing. In fact I'm kinda pissed at magblade not killing things as fast.

Knootewoot · June 2017

The only reason stamblades feel underperforming is because all they do is stack damage as high as possible while using PROC sets. Instead of fighting in PvP they just want to burst people down without giving them a chance to fight back. This does not work in PvE. My suggestion is to try other sets then viper/velidreth/air which give more survivability. Also works in PvP though. And don't be afraid to use a few magicka skills. That blue bar, even with only 8k magicka, can save your life more then often when not using it to cloak.

Yes, I am a (melee) maglblade and when soloing a dungeon I skip all trash mobs to get to boss. But I also did that when I was a stamblade. Even on my warden I do it -> cast retreating manouvres and shuffe and run like hell. Then die at boss and respawn and kill the boss. easypeazy

Edit: and everyone has alchemy at their disposal:

Invisibilty + speed potions are fantastic.

Blessed Thistle
Blue Entoloma
Namira's Rot

12 secs invisible and 30 seconds or more 30% speed.

Your welcome

vpy · June 2017

UPDATE

Upon seeing the responses I respecced (mind you this is the first respec from level 15 ) to full Stam NB and I am extremely pleased by the performance/sustain/survivability/damage.

Should have just stuck with Stam instead of ditching it at 15 and complaining about it at CP 40 without actually playing at it the current level.
Or
Did they get a buff or something in the last 3 months...I honestly dunno..but I am lovin it

As of now the Stam NB playstyle is damn fluid and amazing...feel like "Ninja Gaiden"

Special thanks to @GreenhaloX @Furinol @Stannum @Koensol @TheShadowScout for patiently explaining and clearing my misconceptions.

/peace out

Bonzodog01 · June 2017

Like I have said before, shrouded daggers (morph of last skill on dual wield tree) is one hell of a skill when soloing PvE. Very much overlooked in most Stam NB rotations, but is as powerful if not more powerful than Killers Blade, and likewise it heals you. Its also a cone AOE upto 3 targets.

eserras7b16_ESO · June 2017

I am OP because i use Viper.

Peace out.