Shadzilla wrote: »

This comment is exactly wtf I am talking about.

Of all the crap in cyrodil to whine about, you wanna whine about healers doing their job? Not to mention that you can't just run around spamming BoL like a tard or you will be out of resources very quickly. BoL is the oh *** someone's almost dead button If your group is balled up, you're using healing springs 95% of the time. But whatever man. Opinions are like ***.

Mephisto939 wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

This comment is exactly wtf I am talking about.

Of all the crap in cyrodil to whine about, you wanna whine about healers doing their job? Not to mention that you can't just run around spamming BoL like a tard or you will be out of resources very quickly. BoL is the oh *** someone's almost dead button If your group is balled up, you're using healing springs 95% of the time. But whatever man. Opinions are like ***.

Yeah leave BoL as it is. Its expensive af even in light armor so if you spam it you will be out of resources in no time. Give templars some love

Shadzilla wrote: »

They made this change for a number of reasons. Main reason being there are so many absolute trash players in cyro that just ball up and spam breath. The ability that literally just auto detects whoever has the lowest amount of health left, and heals them up. It is horrible game design, that scrubs can just stick together spamming 1 skill that just heals everyone up that is in trouble. Years went by and they realized how ridiculously OP the skill was, so they tried to change it to at least make the user acquire a slight amount of skill to heal someone with it. ZOS being ZOS, completely failed at the change and probably will not even think about trying to fix it for another 6-12 months.

I understand the reasoning completely (BoL OP), but disagree with the implementation. I have a melee magicka templar. I do damage. I'm not a "healer", but I do have the ability to heal my teammates (same as everyone else). Granted my class comes with this hallmark ability that forces a label on you.

Anyways, thanks to all the whining coupled with ZoS incompetance, now I have a directional ability that forces me to pan my camera backwards to heal a allies who are behind me (I'm melee). So what do they want me to do? Jab forwards. Pan back, heal. Pan back, jab again. Pan back, heal. Its ridiculous. Couple it with Xbox camera rotation speed, and its a joke.

BoL should have been converted into two morphs:

Morph 1: BoL gives a dedicated heal to the casting templar (always), and ONE (1) heal to an ally. No smart healing. It always gives only 1 heal to an ally, and 1 heal to the caster. This prevents "healers" that spam the button from saving more than 1 person at a time, and they'll blow resources in healing themselves if they're already full health.

Morph 2: BoL gives two (2) dedicated heals to any two (2) allies. It DOES NOT heal the caster. Caster must now find other means of self healing. Healing ward. Healing Springs. But no more Breath of Life pounding. Casting templar is going to be at severe risk if he gets targeted, because he won't be able to spam one button to rubber band his health. They'll be 100% reliant on heals from another source (another player, or a less powerful self heal) and can be executed. Only skillful healers will be able to save their ally. But the reality is, that if you're calling out for a heal, you're probably already dead. With good burst, there isn't time to react unless its a self heal. And if they're BoL spamming, they're going to be out of magicka this patch.

Rygonix wrote: »

I am fairly sure BOL is the most complained about (and frequently modified) skill in the game. If a certain live streamer would keep his whiny mouth shut this wouldn't be nearly as big an issue.

I have a dream that guy will get a sudden urge to play a DK. I bet we'd hear a lot less how the two stationary classes are OP and no-skill and boring and need some more nerfs.

The change was stupid. The number of dolts advocating for completely skillless healing are worse. The fact that ZOS can't implement a simple LOS change they tried to three patches ago is, at most, tied with the skillless whiners.

Never seen so many healers in one thread.

It is really that hard to use your brain when spamming breath and look in someones general direction?

The healing through walls thing was a stupid design in the first place, hope they fix the bug soon if it is back.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

BigES wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The primary heal, the first part of it is delivered in a cone area and states as much in the tooltip. The second heal can be delivered to someone behind you and does not state any restriction in the tooltip.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

Thank you for the first constructive post of this thread. I didn't even realize that.

So... it's only the secondary heal? And it can heal through walls and objects?

@BigES

Only the second heal can hit outside of that cone. I have not tried nor seen anyone provide actual information that any part of BoL is going through walls. No offense, but just saying it does not convince me.

Just for the sake of devils advocate test before speaking, I just tried it in pledge and random dungeons today with my magplar healer.

In half dozen locations where party runs down a corridor where it sharply curves like an L branch intersection, I cast BoL to see if party members fighting on other angle of that L (e.g. through wall) would be healed.

In terms of actual distance, they were no more than ~10 meters from me. But the wall was there. It obstructed my BoL, so while this doesn't prove it can't reach players behind ALL walls, I'm satisfied under normal situations it is not going through most walls.

As one specific example we can all visualize, take Elden Hollow 1 - just before the main boss fight at end, you encounter that big named mini-boss beast with one or more normal beast guar looking things wandering the corridor. The named mini-boss beast guar (whatever it is), stands right at the center of an L corridor intersection - always spawns and starts there.

Most groups kill it there, then proceed left down the corridor towards the end boss fight. If BoL could truly go through walls - as a norm - like some suggest here, then my magplar should be able to stand facing perpendicular to the left turn to down the corridor to the main boss, and heal party members just on other side of that wall (directly diagonal to me but hidden behind that left turn wall)

Directly standing facing forward of the left turn, my BoL is easily within the 180 degree cone of the 1st heal, and within range of the secondary heal. None of the party members behind the left turn wall were healed.

If someone keeps saying BoL goes through walls, please man up and state where you were, how you can consistently replicate this, and let the community test that assertion.

Yep, peeps pissed and moaned about templars sitting in the back spamming JB, and Z decides to nerf our class defining heal so that we,. Uuhh.. have to sit in the back to heal...

BigES wrote: »

Jacozilla wrote: »

Just for the sake of devils advocate test before speaking

Jacozilla wrote: »

If someone keeps saying BoL goes through walls, please man up and state where you were, how you can consistently replicate this, and let the community test that assertion.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Only the second heal can hit outside of that cone. I have not tried nor seen anyone provide actual information that any part of BoL is going through walls. No offense, but just saying it does not convince me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F-hQJyIyOo

Why does it smell like something's burning in here?

WhiteMage wrote: »

Anyone who needs a 360 degree AoE heal that fully heals the lowest health target is being babied by ZOS. In other MMOs, where healing was a class instead of just a role, you'd have to actually target what you wanted to heal. That means not only do you have to click on them (or their UI health bar) you'd have to turn to face them and then cast the skill. That took up to a second to do, and then you had to use a weaker instant heal, a powerful heal with a cast time, or a long-cooldown panic heal that could have more pressing uses later on, all while making sure the rest of your group was doing well. Sometimes, you even have to sacrifice a group member taking heavy damage to keep the rest of the group up. There is a lot of thought and judgement that went into being a healer in other MMOs and all of that was on top of what little we still have to worry about here in ESO, like positioning.

Let's not advocate dumbing down healing any further. I like BoL being a directional cone because I have more control over it. For example, while getting run over by an AoE ball zerg, I can heal myself instead of the incompetent pugs next to me that are doomed anyway. In a small group, I can decide if this next heal will be mine or if it will go to my duo partner who is having a rough time.

Just... if this is your first MMO and you think you know healing... you have NO idea.

Stopped at "other mmos" where you have a cursor while functioning. Yes you would click their frame, however no you did not have to turn in fact to prevent facing mechanics you actually turned auto face on cast off. But thanks for your absolutely useless contribution.