Creating a "Paladin"

OldGamerESO · June 2017

I have plenty min/maxed characters and have started building more "fun" characters. I have been playing around with the concept of a paladin character. This would be a hybrid Templar with melee + magic. This char would be used for questing, overland content, (light) PvP and tanking in the (easier) 5-mans. Would be nice if it could handle some of the world bosses solo. I don't have a target DPS yet, but I am obviously not going for super high DPS target. I am thinking 12-15k single target (like on world boss) and 25k on a group.

I have 604 cp and split the recovery perks equally, put a little more into the "direct damage" and "thaumaturge" perks than usual (affects both magic and stam) and got both precision perks. I split my CP a lot more than other characters, but hit the sweet spot for diminishing returns on a lot of perks.

The goal is to use Sword and Shield on one bar and dual wield on the other bar, giving me 2 full sets + monster set. I put 5 points in health and split stam + magicka for the rest. I still have a lot of hard decisions though:

Armor types? It could really be almost anything. A lot of heavy appeals to me for the 'Paladin' archtype and in a way is very "hybrid" since you equally give up the medium/light perks but gain toughness, wrath and constitution. If I did this then I would probably go 5-1-1 to get max undaunted perks. (if I am willing to do the undaunted grind to 9). This would also allow me to run as a tank with no gear changes. Another option is 5 medium 2 heavy so I can push my weapon damage up for stam abilities. If I pair that with Pelinal's it would be pretty strong for my magicka attacks as well.
Sets: This is where it gets interesting. I could pair Pelinals's with something else. But this is really only useful if I buff spell power or weapon damage. With thief mundus and both +crit perks in CP, my crit would be 40% with no armor and no buffs, I can use Reflective Light to trigger Major Prophecy to push spell crit up and I could slot a Fighter Line to get weapon crit up. I really have no idea about the second set. I would be nice if it was good for a hybrid build with a strong 5 piece bonus. It can't be crafted if I am using Pelinals though.
Enchants: I am thinking almost all prismatic, but I should figure out a target attribute level and then adjust accordingly. Like 30k Magicka, 30K stam and 20K health (which may not be attainable).
Monster helm. Grothgar seems like a strong choice.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Turelus · June 2017

Knight-Errant's Mail set could be something if you wanted more damage from your sword and shield style.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Knight-Errant's+Mail+Set

Invincible · June 2017

This makes me sad.

You're putting way too much thought in to min/maxing a build that'll never be useful for anything besides soloing.

Hybrids do not work.

OldGamerESO · June 2017

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

Turelus · June 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

This reply makes me so happy, I wish more players understood this.

Attackfrog · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

This reply makes me so happy, I wish more players understood this.

We also have to keep in mind that he is basically min/maxing a hybrid (as much as you can anyway). It looks like he has access to pretty much BiS gear (for a hybrid lol!) and 600+ CP's, but even with all that, his damage or tanking ability might not be enough for trials (versus "pure" classes).

It's all relative; there are newer players running hybrids now (at low levels with low CP and fresh 50 gear) and if you end up grouped with them, it tends to take forever, so I get what @Invincible is saying.

Without access to great gear and 600+ CP's, most hybrids perform terribly in groups (though in overland/questing do just fine).

Invincible · June 2017

I wasn't trying to be negative OP. I hate the route this game has taken.

They advertised it as "play your way! Pick up a bow and be a bow guy! Pick up a wand and be a mage!"

When in reality this game is probably the least hybrid friendly MMO and most punishing to spec swapping I've ever played.

Jitterbug · June 2017

I hit 15k on my warden hybrid and im not very skilled. So a player like you should hit that easy.
I run 5 necro 5 shackle and buff weapon damage on jewels. I have a 20k single target goal though.
I think high max mag and high weapon damage is the way to go.

Ill be very interessed to hear what you find out.

Xvorg · June 2017

Invincible wrote: »

This makes me sad.

You're putting way too much thought in to min/maxing a build that'll never be useful for anything besides soloing.

Hybrids do not work.

To kill with a hybrid you need a lot of practice and patience. The route the game has taken is the oposite but it doesn't mean you are unable to win your own battles by playing different. There's a nice feeling whe you use flame reach, swap to your 2H and then crit rush an enemy.

Saddly, most people that play this lack imagination and believe someday they'll be top streamers, doing exactly the same every streamer does...

Attackfrog · June 2017

Invincible wrote: »

I wasn't trying to be negative OP. I hate the route this game has taken.

They advertised it as "play your way! Pick up a bow and be a bow guy! Pick up a wand and be a mage!"

When in reality this game is probably the least hybrid friendly MMO and most punishing to spec swapping I've ever played.

That's true. It's too bad we have to be a separate characters to "play for fun" and characters to "play in groups". ...well, if we don't want to get kicked lol

DEATHquidox · June 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

I love the idea I was actually thinking about making a hybriplar but more so for damage from 2h and a frost staff to block with in my magicka pool and heal with and switch between dw and 2h depending on what I'm doing mob dw pvp 2h

Kikke · June 2017

I'm using a Paladin type templar atm, I went the other way.

I'm a tank / healer, and I do every dungeon in the game with the exeption of vCoS and vRoM.
I stand in front, soaking the dmg for my team mates, and I also heal them when it's needed.

Hybrids works, just never seen a tank/dps work in any way. allways to low dps and/or die easy.

Narvuntien · June 2017

I also have a Templar Heal tank, It is very magicka based so only just enough stam to block effectively.
I have a bit of trouble with large mobs since I can't CC on a templar (trying to work out what to do about that) and getting CCed out of being able to block or heal hurts, however I haven't got all my passives yet, so I will get stronger when I do.

Turelus · June 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

This reply makes me so happy, I wish more players understood this.

We also have to keep in mind that he is basically min/maxing a hybrid (as much as you can anyway). It looks like he has access to pretty much BiS gear (for a hybrid lol!) and 600+ CP's, but even with all that, his damage or tanking ability might not be enough for trials (versus "pure" classes).

It's all relative; there are newer players running hybrids now (at low levels with low CP and fresh 50 gear) and if you end up grouped with them, it tends to take forever, so I get what Invincible is saying.

Without access to great gear and 600+ CP's, most hybrids perform terribly in groups (though in overland/questing do just fine).

Yeah I understand and I know the issues, I just sometimes feel people have become so used to the speeds of pure builds they're not willing to accept a group with lower DPS which can still clear the content.
I don't think it's helped that ZOS has balanced trial boss health and clear times around focused builds as well, especially if they're trying to encourage open gameplay.

Also are you the same @Attackfrog I know from that Twitter place?

Attackfrog · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

This reply makes me so happy, I wish more players understood this.

We also have to keep in mind that he is basically min/maxing a hybrid (as much as you can anyway). It looks like he has access to pretty much BiS gear (for a hybrid lol!) and 600+ CP's, but even with all that, his damage or tanking ability might not be enough for trials (versus "pure" classes).

It's all relative; there are newer players running hybrids now (at low levels with low CP and fresh 50 gear) and if you end up grouped with them, it tends to take forever, so I get what Invincible is saying.

Without access to great gear and 600+ CP's, most hybrids perform terribly in groups (though in overland/questing do just fine).

Yeah I understand and I know the issues, I just sometimes feel people have become so used to the speeds of pure builds they're not willing to accept a group with lower DPS which can still clear the content.
I don't think it's helped that ZOS has balanced trial boss health and clear times around focused builds as well, especially if they're trying to encourage open gameplay.

Also are you the same @Attackfrog I know from that Twitter place?

I agree and it is unfortunate that the whole "play your way" mantra has really come to mean "play your way....but only overland and solo". I have seen some groups with hybrids (PuGs and such) and it really depends on who is at the controls. I have seen some decent hybrids in groups.

I have used the name Attackfrog as my game handle for over 20 years in pretty much everything I play, but I am not on Twitter....so it looks like someone has stolen my identity haha!!!!

EDIT: Out of curiosity, I popped over to twitter to see, and yeah, definitely not me haha!

Zardayne · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Hybrids do not work.

Well this is for fun, but I still want to get the most out of it as possible. I already have Min/Maxed versions of all the stam/mag classes (except warden).

Also can I say this about hybrids? When people say "work" I think they mean they aren't not competitive in trials. Most people would say that a mSorc build that did 30k dps does not "work". But if the goal is non-trial, 30k dps is just fine.

I think "work" is context dependent.

This reply makes me so happy, I wish more players understood this.

I couldn't agree more....

waponiwoo · June 2017

If u rally want to try duel Stat abils that gold Coast crafted might be worth a look. Matches spell dmg and weapons dmg, so can just build one. Really tho weap/spell dmg, Stat pool, critical chance and critical dmg are separate things to build on stam and mag abils, so it isn't very practical.

I would recommend staying with just enough sta/sta recovery to block cc and some larger attacjs, rest into mag type stuff. Like 12k sta and a couple sta recovery jewelry glyphs. There are enough abils with just magic to do what you want as a melee, and a lot heal as you dmg like jabs and backlash.

U can do shield on both bars, but destroy is very handy just for the occasional emergency heavy for a pow boost, and the aoe dot. I'd go 5 heav. There are interesting heavy sets. I'd concentrate on resource management because pow blocks is health. I have fun with imperium now and then. Free damage shield that is basically free heal to ur group. The mazzutan heavy returns all three stats if ur health gets low, but I had better sustain luck with just seducer.