I'm here to defend Morrowind as an expansion and say that ESO+ is useless
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I pay £40 for a game, I expect something like a new game. Morrowind is not a new game, it's not even close.
I'd prefer to buy an actual game rather than waste it on a map, I'll wait for it to go on sale3 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭Um as someone who used to waste way too much time playing elder inventory online before the craft bag, I disagree.PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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Kalebron✭✭✭I agree with what you are saying, but, on a personal level, I think Morrowwind should still be a $40 DLC that should be included in ESO+... I'm not complaining about the pricing, but separate expansion on top of all other DLC release is a little frustrating.
Just imagine being subscribed to Netflix and it's charging $10 pay-per-view for a newly released high-budget series. You'd feel bad even if that particular show was worth that much money.
Quiet, I do not want Netflix to hear this. lol1 -
kunquatb16_ESO✭✭✭✭@GabiAlex
You claim that ESO+ isn't worth it, on the basis that it's very cost ineffective, therefore Zos make more money from it in the long term than from crown purchases. You go on to say that Morrowind cost so much to produce that ESO+ income can't cover it. If buying DLCs outright with crowns makes Zos less money overall than getting access via ESO+, then how can buying Morrowind outright make them more? It's seems contradictory.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Managing inventory really is a nuisance without ESO+ unless you just don't pick anything up and skip the hirelings.
That being said, ESO+ really is just about inventory management. We will only be seeing 2 small DLC a year going forward and the other buffs don't move the needle. The crowns are overpriced by over 200% if you purchase through sub instead of just grabbing 5500 packs during sales.
I remember subbing one month when DB came out and then immediately cancelling sub. After the one month ended, customer service offered me buy one get one free. Now that is a reasonable deal. I didn't take it. Instead, I took a few months off from the game since there was no other new content for me to play and I was busy with other things in life. But ESO+ is a great deal in that situation.1 -
nhisso✭✭✭✭Oh look. Another thread where an entitled freeb thinks a game will receive regular content and updates with one time purchases as funding.
Yawn.1 -
Benn G x✭✭✭Yes I'm lazy and it's long to manage my inventory constantly. I pay for the double bank space and craft bag, bite me.0
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Sorry; I don't agree with your opinion.
This is my current hobby. I have no issues with paying to avoid aggravation at managing my inventory. I'm a crafter in 4 guilds; I need mats of all levels, all the tempers, for all the professions. While I have, as has everyone else who's been here for a long period of time, managed to do the inventory shuffle before the crafting bag existed, I am, personal opinion, ecstatically happy that I no longer have to do that. This game is actually one of the cheapest hobbies I've taken up.
Two accounts, 20 characters and counting. I'm one of the "old geezers" who played pen and paper D&D. My characters are individual, different backstory, different attitudes, different mindset when playing, even though I don't role-play. Your three generic characters suit your way of playing. I kind of got past that with the arcade/console games where you were The Hero, no customization available. I don't think I would have bothered with this game if I was restricted to just the holy stereotypes.
I cheerfully preordered Morrowind. I don't regret that either. The addition is worth paying for, for me, in my opinion. To others, of course, it isn't. I'm having a ball finding information and filling in the blanks in the history I originally found in Bethesda's single player Morrowind.
well said...i miss pen and paper0 -
Kaymorolis✭✭✭andreasranasen wrote: »I agree very much with the ESO+. There really isn't much benefit with getting ESO+. They really got to add something more valuable to charge $15/a month on something like this. It's really not worth it.
I really don't get these kinds of statements. The 1500 crowns you get would normally cost $15. That's the whole monthly fee right there. Add in the craft bag, bank space, % boosts and whatever else I have forgotten and it's totally worth the price.PC | NA
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maboleth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kaymorolis wrote: »andreasranasen wrote: »I agree very much with the ESO+. There really isn't much benefit with getting ESO+. They really got to add something more valuable to charge $15/a month on something like this. It's really not worth it.
I really don't get these kinds of statements. The 1500 crowns you get would normally cost $15. That's the whole monthly fee right there. Add in the craft bag, bank space, % boosts and whatever else I have forgotten and it's totally worth the price.
All (future) DLCs, 1500 crowns, 2x the amount of furnishings in the house(s), bank space, crafting bag, costume dyeing,10% boost. But some folks find that not good enough. Sigh. What's more, Zeni keep adding more stuff to the subscriptions, so it's cost-effective now more than ever!2 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭theamazingx wrote: »Just pretend it's a sub-based game with new free content every 3 months and one large paid dlc a year, and each month you get this artificial currency to buy little cosmetic trinkets. That's the real model. It's quite satisfactory from that perspective. Unless, of course, you just want to jump into the game, cruise through the story in a day or two, and hop back out until the next story opens up. But MMOs that have constant upkeep costs can't really be expected to focus on that audience.
More accurate to say ESO+ is precisely the same deal it was in its first year, only with one less DLC per year (one quarter is for Base Game changes), all for $40 more per year. So, let's see, that's getting 25% less for 23% more."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »theamazingx wrote: »Just pretend it's a sub-based game with new free content every 3 months and one large paid dlc a year, and each month you get this artificial currency to buy little cosmetic trinkets. That's the real model. It's quite satisfactory from that perspective. Unless, of course, you just want to jump into the game, cruise through the story in a day or two, and hop back out until the next story opens up. But MMOs that have constant upkeep costs can't really be expected to focus on that audience.
More accurate to say ESO+ is precisely the same deal it was in its first year, only with one less DLC per year (one quarter is for Base Game changes), all for $40 more per year. So, let's see, that's getting 25% less for 23% more.
Yeah, totally.
They haven't changed anything since the first year. Those 480 bank spaces have been here since the first year, right?
Oh, wait.... gee, some things might have changed just a bit since the first year...bank space, dying costumes, double the amount of items and collectibles you can have in your homes.
Congratulations on posting with teh drama though. LESS FOR MOAR!!!!!!!
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Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭As a consumer my voice is only heard when I choose NOT to buy a product. I chose not to buy Morrowind.
I played on the test server and in no way for ME could I justify spending that money for what I saw as a large DLC.
We can complain all that we want about what we don't like but the only way to be heard is to NOT purchase the product.0 -
AoDD33pfri3d✭✭✭I agree with what you are saying, but, on a personal level, I think Morrowwind should still be a $40 DLC that should be included in ESO+... I'm not complaining about the pricing, but separate expansion on top of all other DLC release is a little frustrating.
Just imagine being subscribed to Netflix and it's charging $10 pay-per-view for a newly released high-budget series. You'd feel bad even if that particular show was worth that much money.
Actually Netflix is charging extra for quality now.0 -
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But I'm can't live without my crafting bag and also I have free access to all DLC except Morrowind because ZoS so evil, also free crowns each month, you may say. I say that you can't do a bit of inventory management and you are too comfortable. I say that you fail to see the bigger picture financially speaking. I used to have ESO+ just for two months and the only advantage I had was the crafting bag. The problem is that I played a lot of MMOs before and in some of them your inventory was quite restricted, but I learned how to manage it and make the inventory space less of a problem.It isn't hard, you only need to make the difference between junk and treasure. Also you have 8 character slots, in my case I need only three characters (a DD, a Tank and a Healer), the rest are to store stuff that I may need later. One of them is dedicated for those disguises you find on certain quests because I really love to collect them. I'm doing a lot of gathering and crafting, but still manage to have enough space on my inventory (my main has only 110 inventory spaces) because I sort everything. What I need right now is going to bank, what I keep for later is going on my alts.
Assuming that spending time logging in and out to manage inventory is fun. It's not. The time a person spends to manage inventory can be used to actually play the game. So, if that person works, or studies full time, he can't spend half of his playtime to just log in and out to manage stuffs in the inventory.
You don't need craftbag if you just play casually, meaning you don't craft, you don't do something hardcore that needs crafting (no PvP, no competitive PvE raiding), you don't need to make money to gold your gear, or you don't theorycraft. Life will be even harder if you play more than one character.
So, craftbag itself is evil.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love eso plus let's see why I'll make a list of how eso+ is great no matter what
1. Crafting bag
2. 1500 crown poinsettia
3. 2x bank space
4. 10% bonuses to exp, crafting inspection, trait research, and gold
5. 2x more allowable furnishings
6. Costume dyeing
Yep that's sounds like a good 15 dollars a month spent to me TY1 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭If Zenimax just came out and said,
"We are reneging on our promise. Your $15 a month sub will no longer cover all downloadable content. Major roll-up additions to gameplay, systems, maps and storylines will now be priced separately. We would love it if you'd stay and enjoy the content but understand if you decide to leave.",
how many of you would still be playing?
If the answer is yes, you're complaining just to complain. If the answer is no, why are you still here?
U have eso plus for 6 reasons
1. Crafting bag
2. 1500 crown poinsettia
3. 2x bank space
4. 10% bonuses to exp, crafting inspection, trait research, and gold
5. 2x more allowable furnishings
6. Costume dyeing
Not for DLC content and tbh I always end up buying the DLCs just incase I forget to pay that 15 for eso plus Currently I don't want to be locked out of content0 -
Dr.NRG✭✭✭✭People that run tremor viper on all their builds dont need inventory space lol!
Your a theory crafter or want to change up builds and on top of that have more than 8 toon for which you got at least 5-10 differnt builds your fked without ESO plus. You are a crafter on top of that ? Well SOL lol! Zos know that and thats why so many ppl feel forced to buy ESO+.
You only run 3 differnt toon bud and as you said they all have a specific role. I bet they are all meta (which is fine) but thats why you dint need ESO+
You saying we need to learn whats junk or treasure is calling us stupid cause there is a huge gap between those as there is only junk and treasure (nothing in between). Please dont make posts about stuff you don't understand or know about. Especially when you dont know how others feel about it. No one wants to be educated about this, especially by someone who is not in the same boat as them.
And yes it sucks we have to buy ESO+ if we are active gamers but it is what it is. No one forces you to play;)
@GabiAlex
Edited by Dr.NRG on June 15, 2017 6:57AM.0 -
MarbleQuiche✭✭✭On the whole, I think Morrowind and Orsinium are equitable additions to the game. I feel the landmass is both sparser and smaller in Morrowind than in Orsinium, but Morrowind comes with new PvP content. I don't buy the idea that more work went into Morrowind quest writing and voice acting or more models/creatures were made for it. Orsinium was brilliant on both of those and my own feeling is Morrowind is a step down if anything. But I think they're both equal extentions to the game. The only argument is whether Zeni changed their purchasing model because they took a loss on Orsinium/subs had dropped to a level that indicated they'd take a loss on Morrowind or because they saw an opportunity to maximise their profit.
Regarding ESO+, I stay subbed for the Crowns. I'd buy them anyway and this way I get crafting bag and costume dyeing. I've been subbed since launch, so maybe that's why it doesn't seem that big a deal to me. You don't need to sub at all to play the base game and that's a staggering amount of content - brilliant! But with Crowns and QoL perks from ESO+ (not to mention free DLC access), I'd hardly call it useless.Edited by MarbleQuiche on June 15, 2017 7:16AMCurrently obsessed with battlegrounds. Spamming here between rounds. Sometimes, when forums are particularly good, I skip ballerina around*
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✭✭✭✭I have ESO plus for:
-Cause I like subbing and I want to stay connected to/support the game. That never changed from the beginning.
-Crafting bag. I'm such a freakin packrat it's ... well ... I scare myself sometimes.
-Dying costumes...which I really never did much at first, but jeez the "dye stamp" has got to be the [insert garbled profanity, spazzy gesturing and jumping up and down] ... um, I'm okay now.
-I like the "chunk o crowns" that appears in my bank every so often. Yeah I could "buy" crowns (and on rare occasion sometimes do) but this feels fun and nice to me.
Really... 'cause I enjoy it and it's worth it to me.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Bloodystab✭✭✭✭In my opinion in "Expansion" all classes should get 1-2 new skills and one Global tree for everyone.
Im not ALToholic so this expansion don't bring nothing new in Playstyle for me. All buffs & nerfs are not attached to Morrowind so we would change few skills and our rotations anyway.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »theamazingx wrote: »Just pretend it's a sub-based game with new free content every 3 months and one large paid dlc a year, and each month you get this artificial currency to buy little cosmetic trinkets. That's the real model. It's quite satisfactory from that perspective. Unless, of course, you just want to jump into the game, cruise through the story in a day or two, and hop back out until the next story opens up. But MMOs that have constant upkeep costs can't really be expected to focus on that audience.
More accurate to say ESO+ is precisely the same deal it was in its first year, only with one less DLC per year (one quarter is for Base Game changes), all for $40 more per year. So, let's see, that's getting 25% less for 23% more.
Yeah, totally.
They haven't changed anything since the first year. Those 480 bank spaces have been here since the first year, right?
Oh, wait.... gee, some things might have changed just a bit since the first year...bank space, dying costumes, double the amount of items and collectibles you can have in your homes.
Congratulations on posting with teh drama though. LESS FOR MOAR!!!!!!!
Except, of course, that those are all in-game perks for real-world money. So sure, if you count things that should never have been part of the sub, I suppose there's added value. But I don't pay for any of that. I pay for content. Content was what was offered, and content is what has been taken away.
By the way, you might want to give reasonable and honest reactions to people who don't agree with you a try. It's good for you."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0
