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Need advice on Countering destro Ult.

elven.were_wolf
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Ok, so whenever I PvP, the thing that always ista-kills me are destro ults. This is while wearing heavy chest, equipping a sheild, even though I'm supposed to be dual weild build stamblade build.
So, any advice??
Achievement hunter and secret admirer of Naryu Virian.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    We need more info to help you. Like what are you're stats, Do you have any magic resist, if so how much magic resist, your complete armor set up, etc. It shouldn't just insta kill you unless you're low level, or wearing crappy armor. Even then you should have time to run out of the red circle. Now if you're being hit by 3 to 5 desto ultis at once, (ie. zerg), you're going to die like everyone else. Give us more info on your setup so we can help.
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  • Biro123
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    Its largely positioning... I'm assuming its ball-groups - you gotta read the flow of them.. They almost always head to largest concentration of enemies - so spread out.. After dropping their ults, they always back off to regen ulti and almost always try to get people to follow them into a choke point where they'll drop ulti's again... Don't follow them in - and be ready for them coming back out - make sure you're off to the side and not with the main concentration of players again.

    Destro ult can't be blocked, can't be dodged if you're in the area - but there IS a DW ability that will reduce the damage you take a lot if you do get stuck..



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    Your forced to use Lekis Focus (stamina set) and reduce your Vigor heals by 25%. Use Quick cloak for 25% aoe mitigation or also slot bastion of the heartland for another 20% aoe mitigation.

    You could make a complete AoE reduction build. 70% total with the stuff ive listed.

    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.
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  • Biro123
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    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    Yep, theres a reason most Destro ulti's you see are fire and not lightning... ofc if mag, there's mist-form..
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  • DeHei
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    Ok, so whenever I PvP, the thing that always ista-kills me are destro ults. This is while wearing heavy chest, equipping a sheild, even though I'm supposed to be dual weild build stamblade build.
    So, any advice??

    Healingstaffult "Lights Champion" is a great counter!
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    DeHei wrote: »
    Ok, so whenever I PvP, the thing that always ista-kills me are destro ults. This is while wearing heavy chest, equipping a sheild, even though I'm supposed to be dual weild build stamblade build.
    So, any advice??

    Healingstaffult "Lights Champion" is a great counter!

    Also nightblade soul siphon! Most under utalized burst healing ult in the game.
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  • Sandman929
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    Destros, negates, roots, rapids and dedicated AoE healers are a strong group setup, if you're talking about dying to groups using this tactic, and you're not going to counter it as a solo player without the resources of a group. It's run or die.
  • Sandman929
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    Your forced to use Lekis Focus (stamina set) and reduce your Vigor heals by 25%. Use Quick cloak for 25% aoe mitigation or also slot bastion of the heartland for another 20% aoe mitigation.

    You could make a complete AoE reduction build. 70% total with the stuff ive listed.

    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    This, definitely. Quick Cloak, Bastion or Leki's, or both, but that's a pretty heavy investment in mitigation). You could go with Quick Cloak and Bastion along with a high damage 5 piece proc set and a damage (or mitigation) proc monster set. That's a decent balance between mitigation and damage output. But again, if we're talking about being versus a group that is organized, you're still at a serious disadvantage as a solo player, even if you're in a pug or just swimming in a sea of random players.
    They will move as one unit, they have dedicated healers, they have useful utilities for the group and you have only what skills you can fit on your bars. You'll pick up some healing, etc, from the people around you but it's just random.
    A healthy investment in AoE mitigation, magic mitigation, higher health and a stamina base is a good foundation for making a group to counter Destro groups, but it'll only go so far toward helping disorganized numbers fight against organized numbers.
  • elven.were_wolf
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    Thanks, for all the tips guys!

    Some of you asked for my build details for further tips, so here goes:

    I'm a stamina Nightblade Woodelf duel wield daggers and bow build.
    I'm running 5 piece senche, 5 piece eternal hunt and molag kena.
    Heavy chest, light feet, and the rest all medium.
    Traits: 3impen, 2 well-fitted ,1 divines and 1 infused
    Jewelry: all robust,
    Weapons: all precise.

    My stats, unbuffed:
    Max magicka: 11493 , mag recovery: 611
    Max health: 13875 , health recovery: 367
    Max stam: 28519 , stam recovery: 2313

    Weapon damage: 2192 , spell dmg: 1701
    Weapon crit: 54% , spell crit: 22.9%

    Physical resistance: 11416
    Spell resistance: 11779
    Crit resistance: 1101

    My stats, with dubious camoran throne:
    Max mag: 11493 , mag recovery: 611
    Max health: 17772, health recovery: 367
    Max stam: 32094, stam recovery: 2856
    Skills:
    Dual weild bar: ambush, quick cloack, surprise attack, steel tornado, killer's blade, incapacitating strike.
    Bow bar: poison injection, resolving vigor, endless hail, mass hysteria, relentless focus, soul tether.

    I think that's pretty much it.

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  • FrancisCrawford
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    In other words, you're a melee glass cannon, relying on dodge to survive. :)

    For clarity -- what gear do you have on your 12-slot side? What gear do you have when it's only 11 slots?
  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Heavy chest, light feet, and the rest all medium.
    Max health: 17772

    You need to be roll dodging out of it. My Stamplar rolls a kinda similar build, she dies in 2-3 hits. You absolutely need to roll dodge out or you will die instantly.
  • elven.were_wolf
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    In other words, you're a melee glass cannon, relying on dodge to survive. :)

    For clarity -- what gear do you have on your 12-slot side? What gear do you have when it's only 11 slots?

    I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but I'm guessing your asking if one my sets get's deactivated when I bar swap because only the 4 piece bonus is active. If that's the question then the answer is no. Both sets' 5 piece bonuses are active on both bars at all times.
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  • elven.were_wolf
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    Heavy chest, light feet, and the rest all medium.
    Max health: 17772

    You need to be roll dodging out of it. My Stamplar rolls a kinda similar build, she dies in 2-3 hits. You absolutely need to roll dodge out or you will die instantly.

    Problem is in battles grounds, I roll dodge out but the destro ult is usually morphed to follow the caster. So all he does is follow me while I roll dodge and I die as soon as I get out of the roll dodging animation.
    Achievement hunter and secret admirer of Naryu Virian.
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    In other words, you're a melee glass cannon, relying on dodge to survive. :)

    For clarity -- what gear do you have on your 12-slot side? What gear do you have when it's only 11 slots?

    I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but I'm guessing your asking if one my sets get's deactivated when I bar swap because only the 4 piece bonus is active. If that's the question then the answer is no. Both sets' 5 piece bonuses are active on both bars at all times.

    Technically this is incorrect if your wear 2 kena. You will only have Eternal Hunt proc back bar and the ability to proc senche front bar and have the buff for the short duration back bar.

    If you wear 1 kena this is possible tho.
    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on June 14, 2017 4:13PM
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  • elven.were_wolf
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    In other words, you're a melee glass cannon, relying on dodge to survive. :)

    For clarity -- what gear do you have on your 12-slot side? What gear do you have when it's only 11 slots?

    I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but I'm guessing your asking if one my sets get's deactivated when I bar swap because only the 4 piece bonus is active. If that's the question then the answer is no. Both sets' 5 piece bonuses are active on both bars at all times.

    Technically this is incorrect if your wear 2 kena. You will only have Eternal Hunt proc back bar and the ability to proc senche front bar and have the buff for the short duration back bar.

    If you wear 1 kena this is possible tho.

    Yes, I only wear 1 kena shoulder for weapon damage.

    Achievement hunter and secret admirer of Naryu Virian.
  • Rianai
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    As a nightblade the best counter is probably shadow image, which allows you to port out of range and stealth/hide/run away until the destro ult ends. Additionally it provides minor maim, for 15% less dmg from the enemy. It is overall a great skill that can increase your survivability a lot.
    Edited by Rianai on June 14, 2017 4:42PM
  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Heavy chest, light feet, and the rest all medium.
    Max health: 17772

    You need to be roll dodging out of it. My Stamplar rolls a kinda similar build, she dies in 2-3 hits. You absolutely need to roll dodge out or you will die instantly.

    Problem is in battles grounds, I roll dodge out but the destro ult is usually morphed to follow the caster. So all he does is follow me while I roll dodge and I die as soon as I get out of the roll dodging animation.

    I totally get this, I've been in this situation before. All you can do is keep them CC'ed from a distance and hope the Eternal Hunt rune stops them. I'm sorry, that is all the answers you really have as a StamNB. You either burst him down first, or he gets you first.
  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Have you tried using shadow image? I really like that skill to get away.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    You are using enchants on all your armor, right? You might want to run 3 or 4 health runes and the rest stamina runes. At 17K health, you're still pretty low for PvP of any sort. Usually people recommend around 22 - 23K health at minimum for PvP. That way you have a chance to heal some before the next hit.
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  • Miruku
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    Use shadow image fear them off of you run away from image and port back to your image.

    Boom.

    Easy

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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    With the right combo of Gear, Champion Points, and Loadout, you rarely even notice the Fire vulnerability (I am able to achieve this on a 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy set up)...

    Also, Vampire features one of the best counters to Destro Ult in the game; Elusive Mist...

    Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on June 14, 2017 10:32PM
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    With the right combo of Gear, Champion Points, and Loadout, you rarely even notice the Fire vulnerability (I am able to achieve this on a 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy set up)...

    Also, Vampire features one of the best counters to Destro Ult in the game; Elusive Mist...

    I was talking more so from a stamina perspective.
    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on June 14, 2017 11:40PM
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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    With the right combo of Gear, Champion Points, and Loadout, you rarely even notice the Fire vulnerability (I am able to achieve this on a 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy set up)...

    Also, Vampire features one of the best counters to Destro Ult in the game; Elusive Mist...

    I was talking more so from a stamina perspective. Shields dont even take extra damage from fire.

    Ah...gotcha.

    In that case, disregard my post; the other counters to Destro Ult mentioned here are better suited for you...

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  • Aedaryl
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    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    With the right combo of Gear, Champion Points, and Loadout, you rarely even notice the Fire vulnerability (I am able to achieve this on a 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy set up)...

    Also, Vampire features one of the best counters to Destro Ult in the game; Elusive Mist...

    I was talking more so from a stamina perspective. Shields dont even take extra damage from fire.

    Ah...gotcha.

    In that case, disregard my post; the other counters to Destro Ult mentioned here are better suited for you...

    That's false, shield take extra damage on fire when you are vampire, shield take extra damage to cps damage stars too (elemental expert, thaumaturge, mighty ? (the physical/poison one) and master in arm).
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Aedaryl wrote: »
    Also dont even think about being a vampire. 25% more fire damage.... yikes.

    With the right combo of Gear, Champion Points, and Loadout, you rarely even notice the Fire vulnerability (I am able to achieve this on a 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy set up)...

    Also, Vampire features one of the best counters to Destro Ult in the game; Elusive Mist...

    I was talking more so from a stamina perspective. Shields dont even take extra damage from fire.

    Ah...gotcha.

    In that case, disregard my post; the other counters to Destro Ult mentioned here are better suited for you...

    That's false, shield take extra damage on fire when you are vampire, shield take extra damage to cps damage stars too (elemental expert, thaumaturge, mighty ? (the physical/poison one) and master in arm).

    How in the world was my reply to him false?

    Several of the above posters mentioned ways to counter Destro Ult that are better suited for Stamina based players...

    What exactly did I say that was false!?
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  • FrancisCrawford
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    In other words, you're a melee glass cannon, relying on dodge to survive. :)

    For clarity -- what gear do you have on your 12-slot side? What gear do you have when it's only 11 slots?

    I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but I'm guessing your asking if one my sets get's deactivated when I bar swap because only the 4 piece bonus is active. If that's the question then the answer is no. Both sets' 5 piece bonuses are active on both bars at all times.

    Technically this is incorrect if your wear 2 kena. You will only have Eternal Hunt proc back bar and the ability to proc senche front bar and have the buff for the short duration back bar.

    If you wear 1 kena this is possible tho.

    Yes, I only wear 1 kena shoulder for weapon damage.

    So your 12th piece on the DW bar doesn't contribute any bonuses?
  • leepalmer95
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    Pvp without rally...



    Anyway fear them off you, dodge with a bow and sprint.
    Use shadow image smartly to escape.
    Also you need more hp try for 21k~ at least.

    Also you need shuffle somewhere and as soon as you see them destro pop vigor, have quick cloak up for 25% reduced aoe and sprint out of there and cloak.
    Edited by leepalmer95 on June 15, 2017 3:30AM
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