I am worried zos releasing dlcs quarterly will affect the quality of future expansions and current

Aliyavana · June 2017

Everyone throws the excuse around that this Morrowind expansion doesn't need any Group Dungeons as Zos will include dungeons in the future nord themed dlc dungeon. I am sad this is the mindset people take as the cost and content obtained in this expansion is low in comparison to other MMO'S expansions and while this is the first mmo for many, those of us that have played through other MMO expansions will see that morrowind is dry with content. Only 35ish quests which is a bit less than a smaller sized orsinium, 6 delves which is the same amount that orsinium has, and 2 public dungeon, though the winning factor is that they are huge and I hope zos continues this public dungeon model. Only 1 trial and with that only 5 trials so far to change scenery for end game pvers and when its standerd to include atleast 4 raids in a mmo expansion.

Morrowind is the biggest zone yet and boasts it as a 30 hr expansion in advertisements and yet so many locked doors in it which isn't like the original morrowind... Out of all those locked doors and the size of the zone you are telling me that you zos cannot add a group dungeon to this huge zone somewhere? Zos should open up all the locked buildings in balmora and other cities add crafting stations and bankers to all the cities so players are not funneled into vivec city. With zos making more revenue from newer dlcs each year there is less of a point to return to expansions and add content patches like other mmos. Please don't leave morrowind in its current state as the only reason I return to it is for dailies.

Also add a telvanni cephalopod helm

WhitePawPrints · June 2017

I remember when games were sold when they were finished! Instead of... whatever this is *gestures to ESO Morrowind*

I tend to agree that an announcement on new content so freshly after this Morrowind DLC has me far more worried than it should.

Turelus · June 2017

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Aliyavana · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Ill forgive them if they add telvanni cephalopod helms tho

Enslaved · June 2017

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remember when games were sold when they were finished! Instead of... whatever this is *gestures to ESO Morrowind*

I tend to agree that an announcement on new content so freshly after this Morrowind DLC has me far more worried than it should.

Now games are mostly rented.

Magdalina · June 2017

I'm confused. You think Morrowind doesn't have enough content but it makes you unhappy that they're making more content to be released in a few months?o.O

Morgul667 · June 2017

I find it normal they work with schedule and deadlines. And it is quite positive message to the community to have more content

What is not normal is that launcher and group finder tools are still not fixed after so many updates.

MrSaxon · June 2017

I've seen people complain about a lack of new content in MMOs before, but I can't remember the last time I saw people complaining about new content being released too fast.

You can please some of the people some of the time....

Turelus · June 2017

MrSaxon wrote: »

I've seen people complain about a lack of new content in MMOs before, but I can't remember the last time I saw people complaining about new content being released too fast.

You can please some of the people some of the time....

It happens, especially if it's churned out at a fast rate which is effecting the quality of it.

Alcast · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Yep also think it works like that haha.
Also, they have different teams assigned to different content. So for example:

Dungeon Team: 1 Trial and 2-3 Dungeons per year
Content Team: Storyline etc
PVP Team: BG maps & gamemodes
Housing Team: New Housing Items etc

And keep in mind, most of those areas, same with Clockwork city were ALREADY produced BEFORE ESO even launched. So they just hahve to tweak most of the maps etc.

I think the content the they provide is very good, I mean look at Morrowind, i do think its freaking amazing, sure 40$ is a lot of money, but I do not really mind paying it. The only thing I wish they would improve is events throughout the year that award achievements, costumes, mounts etc. Yes there are Holiday Events, but I do not think its enough. I would love them to see change some of the Zones from time to time a bit more. Maybe some "invasion" of daedra in one particular zone or smth like that would be cool, tho not sure if thats possible technical wise.

LMar · June 2017

A Chapter should really include at least two dungeons and a trial themed to that Chapter.

makreth · June 2017

From my personal point of view...

It lacked the aspect of exploration. While not many quests were there since the begining, it still felt like very...i don't know as if someone was pointing the direction, sure it was improved compared to One Tamriel of course. I would expect more areas to explore (those closed doors OP mentions for example, there are a lot of them). One thing the other TES series did well was the feeling of exploration and being in a world. It doesn't necessarily have to include tons of quests.

Curragraigue · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Yep also think it works like that haha.
Also, they have different teams assigned to different content. So for example:

Dungeon Team: 1 Trial and 2-3 Dungeons per year
Content Team: Storyline etc
PVP Team: BG maps & gamemodes
Housing Team: New Housing Items etc

And keep in mind, most of those areas, same with Clockwork city were ALREADY produced BEFORE ESO even launched. So they just hahve to tweak most of the maps etc.

I think the content the they provide is very good, I mean look at Morrowind, i do think its freaking amazing, sure 40$ is a lot of money, but I do not really mind paying it. The only thing I wish they would improve is events throughout the year that award achievements, costumes, mounts etc. Yes there are Holiday Events, but I do not think its enough. I would love them to see change some of the Zones from time to time a bit more. Maybe some "invasion" of daedra in one particular zone or smth like that would be cool, tho not sure if thats possible technical wise.

I like the idea of changing zones. Maybe dolmens appearing in other zones, bosses or new short term quests.

Turelus · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Yep also think it works like that haha.
Also, they have different teams assigned to different content. So for example:

Dungeon Team: 1 Trial and 2-3 Dungeons per year
Content Team: Storyline etc
PVP Team: BG maps & gamemodes
Housing Team: New Housing Items etc

And keep in mind, most of those areas, same with Clockwork city were ALREADY produced BEFORE ESO even launched. So they just hahve to tweak most of the maps etc.

I think the content the they provide is very good, I mean look at Morrowind, i do think its freaking amazing, sure 40$ is a lot of money, but I do not really mind paying it. The only thing I wish they would improve is events throughout the year that award achievements, costumes, mounts etc. Yes there are Holiday Events, but I do not think its enough. I would love them to see change some of the Zones from time to time a bit more. Maybe some "invasion" of daedra in one particular zone or smth like that would be cool, tho not sure if thats possible technical wise.

Aye, don't take my post as bashing ZOS or anything, this is pretty much how I see all games companies working now.

I wish ZOS were a bit more open about how their development works and who the teams were, but they're great and fun people and I love the content they make.

Aliyavana · June 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

I'm confused. You think Morrowind doesn't have enough content but it makes you unhappy that they're making more content to be released in a few months?o.O

MrSaxon wrote: »

I've seen people complain about a lack of new content in MMOs before, but I can't remember the last time I saw people complaining about new content being released too fast.

You can please some of the people some of the time....

You are misinterpreting what I mean... I am not complaining about the content being released as new dlc, I am complaining that the resources are being sent to dlc instead of an expansion leaving the expansion with far less content than it would have if dlcs did not exist. Other mmos release content patches for their expansions further increasing their replayability and to get the content that we would have gotten if dlcs didn't exist, we have to pay more for additional content instead of it being included with the expansion. Clockwork city which deals with morrowind for example should be included in the expansion which already lacks content In comparison to other mmos... or it should come free if you own morrowind to justify the price.

ccfeeling · June 2017

New repeatable quests rofl
TG , DB
Worest dlc

Aliyavana · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Yep also think it works like that haha.
Also, they have different teams assigned to different content. So for example:

Dungeon Team: 1 Trial and 2-3 Dungeons per year
Content Team: Storyline etc
PVP Team: BG maps & gamemodes
Housing Team: New Housing Items etc

And keep in mind, most of those areas, same with Clockwork city were ALREADY produced BEFORE ESO even launched. So they just hahve to tweak most of the maps etc.

I think the content the they provide is very good, I mean look at Morrowind, i do think its freaking amazing, sure 40$ is a lot of money, but I do not really mind paying it. The only thing I wish they would improve is events throughout the year that award achievements, costumes, mounts etc. Yes there are Holiday Events, but I do not think its enough. I would love them to see change some of the Zones from time to time a bit more. Maybe some "invasion" of daedra in one particular zone or smth like that would be cool, tho not sure if thats possible technical wise.

I really wish we would hear from their housing team more often

Many threads poping up on when housing slots will be increased and zos keeps adding more houses and furnishings and no increase for compensation. Id also love a suggest a house furnishing thread officially made by zos and hope they add in some housing items like dirt, grass, and addable water furnishings

Niaver · June 2017

A 40$ expansion should have all type of content, for sure including at least 2 dungeons. I am very afraid that the fact that they release dungeons as separate DLCs will prevent them from adding dungeons to other DLCs.

Cocorocho · June 2017

Make an expansion, cut it into pieces and call them "chapters" "dlcs" and sell them seperately; profit

Magdalina · June 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

I'm confused. You think Morrowind doesn't have enough content but it makes you unhappy that they're making more content to be released in a few months?o.O

MrSaxon wrote: »

I've seen people complain about a lack of new content in MMOs before, but I can't remember the last time I saw people complaining about new content being released too fast.

You can please some of the people some of the time....

You are misinterpreting what I mean... I am not complaining about the content being released as new dlc, I am complaining that the resources are being sent to dlc instead of an expansion leaving the expansion with far less content than it would have if dlcs did not exist. Other mmos release content patches for their expansions further increasing their replayability and to get the content that we would have gotten if dlcs didn't exist, we have to pay more for additional content instead of it being included with the expansion. Clockwork city which deals with morrowind for example should be included in the expansion which already lacks content In comparison to other mmos... or it should come free if you own morrowind to justify the price.

They said Clockwork City would have what, 10+ hours of content? I don't think we'll ever see another dlc the size of Wrothgar, just TG/DB sized ones and Wrothgar-sized "chapters". Only way I see this changing is if they indeed stop dlcs from existing and make every single addition bought separately and unavailable for crowns.

I'm not sure if this decision was due to them being unable to develop more content or just them getting too greedy, but it is what it is. I'm actually somewhat glad they have definitive plans at all and we might actually have 2 small dlcs this year rather than nothing at all after Morrowind.

You want more things for the money you're paying, you can argue whether or not that's justified(I didn't mind paying for Morrowind at all but ZOS did go back on their word with the "chapter" thing and they are getting greedier by the day) but it's painfully clear at this point you aren't getting that. With that in mind, it is actually good to know they plan next 2 dlcs within this year and they even plan for them to be accessible for crowns.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

The problem is, they're expecting ESO+ to pay for a DLC to which they'll later add DLC
The problem is they're expecting everyone to pay multiple time for content enough to constitute an expansion.
The problem is they're getting a track record for not keeping their word, so may define these "chapter DLC" not DLC, whatever that will mean.
The problem is that Morrowind will only be worth the price if future related DLC come free for all who bought it, but won't be.
The problem is that the way in which it has been announced, released, and implemented is doing far more ongoing harm to customer loyalty than the benefits it brings. And being expected to pay 2 or 3 times for an expansions worth of content will only for further harm.
The problem is, Morrowind is a beautiful empty shell.

JKorr · June 2017

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remember when games were sold when they were finished! Instead of... whatever this is *gestures to ESO Morrowind*

I tend to agree that an announcement on new content so freshly after this Morrowind DLC has me far more worried than it should.

You do realize that mmos aren't exactly the same as a single player game? If they don't release new content, people rage that they are bored, nothing to do, game is dying, yaddah yaddah, yaddah. Apparently WoW isn't finished and shouldn't have been sold either, or Guild Wars or EVE....

When they weren't putting out new material people were complaining and dropping their sub because "no new content/the devs lied/etc". So now people are immediately assuming that the new content is rushed and low quality, etc. ZOS is apparently damned if they do and damned if they don't. The rants from when they stopped releasing new content while attempting to get the console release out are probably still on the early pages of the forum.

I'm willing to wait and see at this point. If the game stops being fun, then I will stop playing. Until then, I'll see what they're offering.

TheShadowScout · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Think of it this way. They'll spend a year making one expansions worth of content, then just cut some bits off to make DLC.

So in reality they're only making one update a year.

Yeah, that is probably the most accurate way of seeing it.
And of course I too would love to see more, more, more.
I'd love to see an orsinium sized DLC every three months. Sadly, I realize that's not gonna happen, since ZOS can only make as much as they can afford from the money they make off ESO. If they had twice the income, they could hire twice the developer team... have twice the servers and so on. But obviously that's not how it is, we get what they can support and still show a total profit to the suits in charge so those won't pull the plug on ESO and sell the assets.
And I'm okay with it.

As long as ESO keeps going, as long as I get the occasional neat DLCs or expansions (though really, I'd much rather they can that expansion idea and go with DLCs forevermore, I buy the good ones anyhow despite being subbed - and sell the other stuff in the crown store, class unlocks, battleground access, whatever), I'll be content. Even when I have to deal with the occasional DLCs that are not to my taste, like dungeon packs... (though who knows, maybe someday I'll have enough regular friends to make dungeon runs too)

WhitePawPrints · June 2017

JKorr wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remember when games were sold when they were finished! Instead of... whatever this is *gestures to ESO Morrowind*

I tend to agree that an announcement on new content so freshly after this Morrowind DLC has me far more worried than it should.

You do realize that mmos aren't exactly the same as a single player game? If they don't release new content, people rage that they are bored, nothing to do, game is dying, yaddah yaddah, yaddah. Apparently WoW isn't finished and shouldn't have been sold either, or Guild Wars or EVE....

When they weren't putting out new material people were complaining and dropping their sub because "no new content/the devs lied/etc". So now people are immediately assuming that the new content is rushed and low quality, etc. ZOS is apparently damned if they do and damned if they don't. The rants from when they stopped releasing new content while attempting to get the console release out are probably still on the early pages of the forum.

I'm willing to wait and see at this point. If the game stops being fun, then I will stop playing. Until then, I'll see what they're offering.

Some of us have been around more than long enough that we're tired of willing to wait and see what ZoS will *** up next with their excessive greed. It has been mentioned before that this Morrowind DLC is to be separate from the base game, which concludes that it is nothing more than a cash grab while abandoning the vanilla game.

When a game is released and an announcement of DLC will soon be available sold separately, then as a player we have to wonder if they're intentionally screwing us in order to gain more revenue.

ZoS has a history, and it is not a good one. Many of us have been around long enough that we can expect what we will see from ZoS, so rather than wait and see what ZoS will *** up next, we voice our opinions.

Other MMO's release expansions that add to the vanilla game, and often will include a new class, new battlegrounds, new mechanics (i.e. underwater exploration), new zones that takes weeks to explore and quests in, new races, new innovative and fun things. Morrowind added one new class which by design is very lazy, and battlegrounds which by design is very lazy and nothing else.

ZoS is giving us half-assed products, that the developers admit is due to lack of resources, charging full price of AAA titles and then telling us that they're already working on new content that will be sold separately when the most recent content is 1/15th of what it should be at the price they're asking for?!

We have seen the patterns of other video games, and when a game is released with the immediate announcement of DLC to be sold separately then a lot of players will immediately find that suspicious and question the integrity of the game that they're supporting. There's plenty of examples of video game developers that have suffered tremendously due to releasing incomplete content and then selling pieces of it separately.

Slurg · June 2017

Don't worry yet. I've already lost count of how many times they've changed their content release schedule (along with pricing models) in the past three years. Just wait a few months; it's likely to change again.

DaveMoeDee · June 2017

Personally, I would rather see them just release an annual expansion and ditch the ever-shrinking DLC. I would rather play 2 months a year anyway. It would be something to look forward to. I would get a month or 2 of ESO+ and play through the expansion content.

idk · June 2017

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remember when games were sold when they were finished! Instead of... whatever this is *gestures to ESO Morrowind*

I tend to agree that an announcement on new content so freshly after this Morrowind DLC has me far more worried than it should.

MMOs are never compete. Every MMO worth their salt and most that are not add content. Any MMO that releasss completed and adds nothing else will did a quick death.

Iccotak · June 2017

As Long as ZOS maintains and updates quality of older content while releasing new content then I am ok.

Tandor · June 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

I'm confused. You think Morrowind doesn't have enough content but it makes you unhappy that they're making more content to be released in a few months?o.O

MrSaxon wrote: »

I've seen people complain about a lack of new content in MMOs before, but I can't remember the last time I saw people complaining about new content being released too fast.

You can please some of the people some of the time....

You are misinterpreting what I mean... I am not complaining about the content being released as new dlc, I am complaining that the resources are being sent to dlc instead of an expansion leaving the expansion with far less content than it would have if dlcs did not exist. Other mmos release content patches for their expansions further increasing their replayability and to get the content that we would have gotten if dlcs didn't exist, we have to pay more for additional content instead of it being included with the expansion. Clockwork city which deals with morrowind for example should be included in the expansion which already lacks content In comparison to other mmos... or it should come free if you own morrowind to justify the price.

You seem to be confused over the content release program in effect here.

Morrowind is not an expansion as you keep calling it. It is a chapter - and that is something part way between a traditional DLC and a traditional expansion.

New content is not released in ESO every couple of years or so as is often the case with a traditional expansion. It is released quarterly, in the form of three DLCs and one chapter. Therefore each content release does not (and need not) include something for everyone, whether dungeons for groupers, trials for raiders, or PvP for PvPers etc. Each year there will be one DLC with dungeon content for groupers. There doesn't need to be dungeon content in all DLCs or in the chapter.

If you look at the overall new content each year it's probably equivalent to an expansion, but it's split into several releases and you don't have to wait so long as with a traditional expansion for something new to do. Moreover, if there's an aspect you don't like be it group dungeons or PvP etc then you don't need to buy that particular content. It's a pretty effective system in my view.