Poisons bug - terminating ground based weapon AOE abilities

mandricus · June 2017

As pointed out in the usual, excellent and very informative way by @Gilliamtherogue, whenever a poison procs, ground based weapon aoe skills vanishes, resulting in a quite big DPS loss.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIz5UmV81Q

As @Alcast is using magicka drain poisons and health poisons in almost all his PvE builds, I kindly suggest him to have a look at this.

Alcast · June 2017

Just tested it, works fine with Drain magicka poisons. Does not seem to have this bug.

mandricus · June 2017

Thank you for your feedback. That's quite weird, as Gilliam tested in his video different poisons, having always the same result.
Anyway, good to know that this bug does not affect Magicka Drain poisons too.

Gilliamtherogue · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Just tested it, works fine with Drain magicka poisons. Does not seem to have this bug.

The same thing happens with Drain Magicka poisons. I cast Wall of Elements or any ground based AoE that comes from a Weapon skill line -> after the poison fades the effect ends early. The poisons work, but they remove the damage of weapon based ground dots.

Gilliamtherogue · June 2017

Did additional testing;
After a poison fades it removes all weapon based ground AoEs, but it doesn't remove single target applied DOTs. This only happens for the user, and will not remove allies' abilities.

I tested with all poison types, as well as the number of additional effects they have;
Tier 1 bug happens
Tier 2 bug happens
Tier 3 bug happens

I also tested on a toon that had Alchemy 50 with passives, and a toon who did not have alchemy leveled.

It should be noted that the poisons themself work as intended in their listed effects, the bug is only the removal of weapon based ground dots (Volley + morphs, Wall of Ele + morphs, Destructive Storm + morphs)

Alcast · June 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Did additional testing;
After a poison fades it removes all weapon based ground AoEs, but it doesn't remove single target applied DOTs. This only happens for the user, and will not remove allies' abilities.

I tested with all poison types, as well as the number of additional effects they have;
Tier 1 bug happens
Tier 2 bug happens
Tier 3 bug happens

I also tested on a toon that had Alchemy 50 with passives, and a toon who did not have alchemy leveled.

It should be noted that the poisons themself work as intended in their listed effects, the bug is only the removal of weapon based ground dots (Volley + morphs, Wall of Ele + morphs, Destructive Storm + morphs)

Did you test with CM or ingame damage numbers? Like the visuals stayed for me but didnt check damage on it

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

mandricus · June 2017

As I understood from Gilliam's video:

- Endless Hail: when the poison procs, the visual of the skill disappear, as well as the damage.

- Elemental Blockade: the visual of the skill does not disappear, but it no longer deals damage after the poison proc.

p.s. Thank you Gilliam for clarifying and for your additional testing. I'm a huge fan of you

Gilliamtherogue · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Did additional testing;
After a poison fades it removes all weapon based ground AoEs, but it doesn't remove single target applied DOTs. This only happens for the user, and will not remove allies' abilities.

I tested with all poison types, as well as the number of additional effects they have;
Tier 1 bug happens
Tier 2 bug happens
Tier 3 bug happens

I also tested on a toon that had Alchemy 50 with passives, and a toon who did not have alchemy leveled.

It should be noted that the poisons themself work as intended in their listed effects, the bug is only the removal of weapon based ground dots (Volley + morphs, Wall of Ele + morphs, Destructive Storm + morphs)

Did you test with CM or ingame damage numbers? Like the visuals stayed for me but didnt check damage on it

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

I used damage text from FTC and ingame information. Wall of Ele remains visually but stops dealing damage. Endless hail vanishes and stop dealing damage.

If you reapply the AoE before the poison fades, the poison vanishes.

mandricus · June 2017

Bump. Since poisons are used in a lot of builds to regain some sustain with Morrowind patch changes, this deserves some attention I think. An acknowledge would be highly appreciated.

mandricus · June 2017

Any acknowledge?