BG imbalance

Trailed · June 2017

I would just like to thank ZoS for giving me nothing but teams with 2 people or no people at all and wasting my time this morning. Thanks ZoS, for having a god awful BG system that should have been fixed BEFORE YOU TOOK OUR MONEY FOR IT.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Mega thread on it. @UncleSweetshare93 should appear to let you know the details

Draekony · June 2017

Yeah I agree, got proc sets then you show up into a group with 1 or 2 people against 4, or you get level 18s when you're cp630. give those non 50s their own bg

ParaNostram · June 2017

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

Waffennacht · June 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

I believe the game tries to make teams Around pre mades - which is not a good idea, that's why we always get lopsided bs.

It should be Duos only (no groups of 3 or 4, either single or duo) until they can make it where matches do not start without equal teams

FearlessOne_2014 · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

I believe the game tries to make teams Around pre mades - which is not a good idea, that's why we always get lopsided bs.

It should be Duos only (no groups of 3 or 4, either single or duo) until they can make it where matches do not start without equal teams

Yeah as a Solo who is highly impacted when facing off against Pre-Made 4 man teams in BGs. Just no, no, no, no, no. Been through this same thing in GW2's PvP. You want to know what happened there? Soon as ANet gave in to the Solo's and Duo's and not allow full teams in PvP. It got much much worst.

So instead of being able to queue with your friends or guild mates. You could only queue with one other player, leaving 3 randoms to play with you.

Don't sound bad right? Lol you are wrong! So in ranked because ANet didn't fix the match matcher which was the actually problem not the the Pre-Made teams. They ended up having a PvP arena that was more toxic then LoL's community.

Players was win trading and throwing matches on their smurf accounts. Because you can queue for Rank after 2 hours of hot-join rooms. So there was no grinding to make a smurf account for rank. In order to troll other players who was actually trying to rank up the legit way.

All and all it led to a mass exodus of PvPers from GW2's PvP to include myself. I thank the divines that I found about about Smite. Because atm and for the past 4 or 6 months GW2's PvP is cheaters heaven. Because you can't not choose who to play with. And 7 out of 10 times it will be someone on their smurf account/s throwing the match in-order to win trade.

So yeah no thank you. OP you have no clue what you are asking for. When asking for Solo/Duo queue only. Trust me, I've been there, and done that, and left that garbage.

Waffennacht · June 2017

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

I believe the game tries to make teams Around pre mades - which is not a good idea, that's why we always get lopsided bs.

It should be Duos only (no groups of 3 or 4, either single or duo) until they can make it where matches do not start without equal teams

Yeah as a Solo who is highly impacted when facing off against Pre-Made 4 man teams in BGs. Just no, no, no, no, no. Been through this same thing in GW2's PvP. You want to know what happened there? Soon as ANet gave in to the Solo's and Duo's and not allow full teams in PvP. It got much much worst.

So instead of being able to queue with your friends or guild mates. You could only queue with one other player, leaving 3 randoms to play with you.

Don't sound bad right? Lol you are wrong! So in ranked because ANet didn't fix the match matcher which was the actually problem not the the Pre-Made teams. They ended up having a PvP arena that was more toxic then LoL's community.

Players was win trading and throwing matches on their smurf accounts. Because you can queue for Rank after 2 hours of hot-join rooms. So there was no grinding to make a smurf account for rank. In order to troll other players who was actually trying to rank up the legit way.

All and all it led to a mass exodus of PvPers from GW2's PvP to include myself. I thank the divines that I found about about Smite. Because atm and for the past 4 or 6 months GW2's PvP is cheaters heaven. Because you can't not choose who to play with. And 7 out of 10 times it will be someone on their smurf account/s throwing the match in-order to win trade.

So yeah no thank you. OP you have no clue what you are asking for. When asking for Solo/Duo queue only. Trust me, I've been there, and done that, and left that garbage.

@FearlessOne_2014 thank you for your input, you make an excellent point. And then maybe a duo system isn't the best idea. However it can't be left as is. I'd take 3 ransoms over no one any day. But that doesn't make duos work if they don't.

Also I do not believe OP was advocating such an idea?

Qbiken · June 2017

At least you people get into the battlegrounds.....

Sylosi · June 2017

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

All and all it led to a mass exodus of PvPers from GW2's PvP to include myself.

The exodus of PvP players in GW2 occurred years ago, which is why they had been propping the mode up by bribing PvE/WvW players for a long time going right back to when they "forced" AP hunters into PvP, it is also why instead of doing the sensible option of a team quere and a solo queue they couldn't, because the PvP playerbase was already too low for that.

I hate to break it to you but by the time HoT came, most of PvP playerbase had already left, your so called "mass exodus" of PvP players after that was merely the dregs that had remained leaving, and in the case of the laughably termed "pros" that was just because the money and tournaments had died, tournaments that died the year before solo/duo queue was even introduced, the problems in GW2 had nothing to do with solo/duo queue.

FloppyTouch · June 2017

Pre made groups are having no fun bc as soon as the other teams start to get pounded into the ground the stop playing.

I don't think pre made groups should be allowed to join at all

Qbiken · June 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Pre made groups are having no fun bc as soon as the other teams start to get pounded into the ground the stop playing.

I don't think pre made groups should be allowed to join at all

Well, pre-made Groups can´t join anyway since the Groupfinder tool for BG´s is broken :P

Drachenfier · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

give those non 50s their own bg

This needs to happen sooner rather than later.

Also, premades need their own queue. I DGAF about wait times, if you want to premade you should play against other premades, period.

Strider_Roshin · June 2017

Don't know what you mean, looks pretty balanced to me

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

Yeah I agree, got proc sets then you show up into a group with 1 or 2 people against 4, or you get level 18s when you're cp630. give those non 50s their own bg

Just removing non CP doesn't completely fix it, although I agree that it would be an improvement. I've gotten in matches 4v4v4 where my team mates were all sub 160 CP and they sum totalled 1 kill and 12-15 deaths each. After they wiped almost instantly twice I started just running solo. To which I was asked why I wasn't grouping up and they started blaming me for dying.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Don't know what you mean, looks pretty balanced to me

HAH I've been there:

http://sos.campmobile.net/e/2i9bie_0/gi2Ud017svct8zx4vtlq2np_kp9qhd.jpg?type=e1920

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

I believe the game tries to make teams Around pre mades - which is not a good idea, that's why we always get lopsided bs.

It should be Duos only (no groups of 3 or 4, either single or duo) until they can make it where matches do not start without equal teams

Yeah as a Solo who is highly impacted when facing off against Pre-Made 4 man teams in BGs. Just no, no, no, no, no. Been through this same thing in GW2's PvP. You want to know what happened there? Soon as ANet gave in to the Solo's and Duo's and not allow full teams in PvP. It got much much worst.

So instead of being able to queue with your friends or guild mates. You could only queue with one other player, leaving 3 randoms to play with you.

Don't sound bad right? Lol you are wrong! So in ranked because ANet didn't fix the match matcher which was the actually problem not the the Pre-Made teams. They ended up having a PvP arena that was more toxic then LoL's community.

Players was win trading and throwing matches on their smurf accounts. Because you can queue for Rank after 2 hours of hot-join rooms. So there was no grinding to make a smurf account for rank. In order to troll other players who was actually trying to rank up the legit way.

All and all it led to a mass exodus of PvPers from GW2's PvP to include myself. I thank the divines that I found about about Smite. Because atm and for the past 4 or 6 months GW2's PvP is cheaters heaven. Because you can't not choose who to play with. And 7 out of 10 times it will be someone on their smurf account/s throwing the match in-order to win trade.

So yeah no thank you. OP you have no clue what you are asking for. When asking for Solo/Duo queue only. Trust me, I've been there, and done that, and left that garbage.

Win trading happens in any system that has ranks, even in non ranked sometimes if the opponents know each other. Basically you are arguing that forcing to play with randoms means you have the problems of playing with randoms, which is true for all sides. It is not as if someone can guarantee that they both have good allies and the fake accounts on the other team.

FearlessOne_2014 · June 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Two mornings in a row spending hours doing BGs and I have only three times been a part of a full group. The only full groups I ever see are premades versus less than 4 pugs. It's just... It doesn't feel worth even trying.

I believe the game tries to make teams Around pre mades - which is not a good idea, that's why we always get lopsided bs.

It should be Duos only (no groups of 3 or 4, either single or duo) until they can make it where matches do not start without equal teams

Yeah as a Solo who is highly impacted when facing off against Pre-Made 4 man teams in BGs. Just no, no, no, no, no. Been through this same thing in GW2's PvP. You want to know what happened there? Soon as ANet gave in to the Solo's and Duo's and not allow full teams in PvP. It got much much worst.

So instead of being able to queue with your friends or guild mates. You could only queue with one other player, leaving 3 randoms to play with you.

Don't sound bad right? Lol you are wrong! So in ranked because ANet didn't fix the match matcher which was the actually problem not the the Pre-Made teams. They ended up having a PvP arena that was more toxic then LoL's community.

Players was win trading and throwing matches on their smurf accounts. Because you can queue for Rank after 2 hours of hot-join rooms. So there was no grinding to make a smurf account for rank. In order to troll other players who was actually trying to rank up the legit way.

All and all it led to a mass exodus of PvPers from GW2's PvP to include myself. I thank the divines that I found about about Smite. Because atm and for the past 4 or 6 months GW2's PvP is cheaters heaven. Because you can't not choose who to play with. And 7 out of 10 times it will be someone on their smurf account/s throwing the match in-order to win trade.

So yeah no thank you. OP you have no clue what you are asking for. When asking for Solo/Duo queue only. Trust me, I've been there, and done that, and left that garbage.

Win trading happens in any system that has ranks, even in non ranked sometimes if the opponents know each other. Basically you are arguing that forcing to play with randoms means you have the problems of playing with randoms, which is true for all sides. It is not as if someone can guarantee that they both have good allies and the fake accounts on the other team.

I'm a solo queuer btw. So I play with randoms all the time..... "When I do play" That's not my issue tho. My issue is players will be able to coordinate to destroy the players who have friends and buddies. Because they can't queue with their friends.

All of the problems that us solo queuers are facing comes only from the broken Match-Maker system. If that don't get fixed first. Then all you are doing is subjecting even more players to not so fun, more unfair situations. That will just led the stacks to not play BGs either, or just cheat.

TL/DR , Without the match maker being fixed. Nothing will help the unbalanced matches. Making them worst because now, you have no chance to control your team mates at all.

Metemsycosis · June 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Don't know what you mean, looks pretty balanced to me

Did you win?

PocketAces13xb · June 2017

tell me why they are dumb enough to not have separate queues for 10-49 and 50? As a level 47 I was dealing with proc sets all last night...

akray21 · June 2017

BGs were DOA. You simply can't have small scale PvP without a balanced matchmaking system that creates even teams (in numbers and skill).

a1i3nz · June 2017

akray21 wrote: »

BGs were DOA. You simply can't have small scale PvP without a balanced matchmaking system that creates even teams (in numbers and skill).

Yes considering they've never even kinda fixed group finder idk what they expected