Can't get used to sustain changes. No sustain = no fun

Beesting · June 2017

Hi, i have been playing eso since april 2014. Played far too much for two years and then took a break. Came back in march and loved the game. Played hours every day, just loved it. I knew there were sustain changes coming with morrowind but i thought i would get used to it and would not know any better after a few weeks.

But i feel something has died in me.
The feelinh i have now when i play eso is like i am at a wake. So i am doing vmol with 12 people from our pve guild, but the atmosphere is just down. No joy no excitement, no feeling of progression anymore.
If it was not for the last patch we would be enthousiastic to try hardmode but no... That is off the table for good.

Or the feeling i am running a pledge and i hit buttons like playing a melody i have played so much my fingers can play it blind. But this time there is no sound because i have no magica. I have been reduced to a light attack spamming (...) what was even the point of trying to get the melody perfect and the great feeling it gave me?
I hate mmo's that say "this spell is not ready yet" and now eso has turned itself into one. (...)

It feels like i have been saving up and investing time to get a great sportscar but now suddenly there is a fuel shortage and instead of enjoying the car i am just desperately trying to save fuel to get to the pump station. Defensive slow driving instead of the thrill of the drive

Imean this is no fun, there is nothing to look forward to, no progression. I find it hard to motivate to log in and do anything because something died in me with this patch. And it was not even necessary, i just cant understand unless they want people to quit and leave the game.

If playing a game is not fun anymore what is the point right? I can only hope some future update will revert this nonsense.

Kay1 · June 2017

Swap your damage glyphs for regen glyphs.

Tested and proved, hit the insightful now.

Bryong9ub17_ESO · June 2017

I was able to adapt within the hour of playing with the new changes. For the most part i just toss in a coupe heavy attacks here and there.

But i also saw the change coming and was able to farm for most of the gear i needed to help with sustain.

JWKe · June 2017

Can't force a square peg into a round hole. Just adapt.

scipionumatia · June 2017

I kinda agree, more of an issue in pve than pvp for me tho. Stam sorc aoe run my bar dry even with all cp put in. And I'm using Vo

Izaki · June 2017

I mean... If you were planning on doing vMol Hard Mode, I'm guessing you know how the game works, shouldn't be hard to adapt to something as easy to fix as sustain changes...
A heavy attack or 2 doesn't hurt your DPS at all and it gives more than enough juice to last for 15minute fights. Just have to learn how to use it and when.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · June 2017

You now have to put a Heavy Attack in somewhere or use some other method to regain Magicka (or Stamina based on toon type). I use Elemental Drain for solo boss fights. Keeps my Magicka up the entire time.

On my Templar I use Radiant Aura (I think that's what it's called) since it gives me a good Magicka return during combat.

I haven't changed a single enchant on any jewelry and actually now use Max/Max food instead of Max/Regen food because the return from Ele Drain or Radiant Aura is really good.

Take a look at your toon and find a method that works. I'm having a blast even though I thought this patch was going to destroy my toons.

Xylphan · June 2017

Yes, there were problems. Infinistain had characters like mag sorcs soloing group content without even trying. There was almost no point of even having stamina and magika bars because you'd never run out of resources.

acw37162 · June 2017

The patch has only been on console for a very short, as I am a PS4 player, and I'm still working things out.

The sustain changes are not game breaking not by any stretch but I'm going to go back to something @Joy_Division wrote so eloquently in regards to Templar changes recently.

It is just not fun, quite the opposite actually fun draining.

Not saying it's wasn't necessary, game breaking, or quitting the game just yet.

I look at my PS4 now before I turn it on to log and actually watched a movie on Netflix instead of playing this week.

The changes may be necessary the game will definitely live on for a long time and for those coming into and starting with this arrangement it will be no big deal

To me, feels pretty unfun at the moment.

Moments change I hope the feeling does too.

disintegr8 · June 2017

Not seeing any real issues on the characters I have played since console patch but I have always thrown heavy attacks in during fights. As others have said, switch out some jewelry glyphs for reduced cost instead of increased damage and make sure your CP are allocated wisely.

ArchMikem · June 2017

Recovery took a nerf and all abilities now cost 2x as much to cast. I'm very much with the OP on this.

Doctordarkspawn · June 2017

JWKe wrote: »

Can't force a square peg into a round hole. Just adapt.

Or, better yet OP, leave.

Screw this 'adapt' crap. Find a better game to play. Trust me, you'll be allot happier not geting crapped on for the sake of the entitled few who dont think this game is hard enough yet, than staying and playing like an abused spouse. Every time someone tells you to 'just adapt', it's proof the game isn't worth adapting to.

Sneaky-Snurr · June 2017

Can't say that the sustain changes made me happier with the game and did not affect my playstyle because it did but even so, I had to adapt to it since there's only one way to alleviate the effects of the nerf.

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.
You are forced to unless you enjoy getting pinned down on the ground.

ArchMikem · June 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.

"Learn to Adapt", has become the new "Learn to Play" and "Git Gud".

Doctordarkspawn · June 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.

"Learn to Adapt", has become the new "Learn to Play" and "Git Gud".

Yep. It's the new way people who are addicted to this game can deny any and all criticism because THIS GAME IS PERFECT THE GAME IS PERFECT IT CANT BE IMPERFECT OR I AM IMPERFECT IT'S PERFECT

Sneaky-Snurr · June 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.

"Learn to Adapt", has become the new "Learn to Play" and "Git Gud".

@ArchMikem
Do note that I meant it with no prejudice and offense whatsoever.
I share OP's feelings and I do wish that most of the sustain nerf is reverted but in reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon so the next best step for everyone is to adapt to the new combat environment, there's no other way.

I'm one of the people who are against most of those nonsensical changes to sustain but we can either complain about it till the ends of the earth or we simply change our playstyle to suit the new environment (while still pleading to ZoS to revert the changes).
If you ask me? I prefer to do the latter.

flizomica · June 2017

swap out a dmg glyph for a regen glyph or two. can also try witchmothers brew/camorans throne.

its pretty easy to make a few changes and play the same way as last patch

Doctordarkspawn · June 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.

"Learn to Adapt", has become the new "Learn to Play" and "Git Gud".

@ArchMikem
Do note that I meant it with no prejudice and offense whatsoever.
I share OP's feelings and I do wish that most of the sustain nerf is reverted but in reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon so the next best step for everyone is to adapt to the new combat environment, there's no other way.

I'm one of the people who are against most of those nonsensical changes to sustain but we can either complain about it till the ends of the earth or we simply change our playstyle to suit the new environment (while still pleading to ZoS to revert the changes).

We can, however, leave. Which is more productive suggesting then suggesting we submit to the whims of the mad maestro that is Wrobel and continue to eat the crap sandwitch and ask for seconds.

Impact their bottom line. At the very least? Seek joy and dont be content to be a thrall to the company.

F7sus4 · June 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Swap your damage glyphs for regen glyphs.

Tested and proved, hit the insightful now.

And hit like a wet noodle. Tested and proved - it's not a pro solution.

flizomica · June 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Swap your damage glyphs for regen glyphs.

Tested and proved, hit the insightful now.

And hit like a wet noodle. Tested and proved - it's not a pro solution.

I'm still doing 30k self-buffed on the 6mil dummy as a magblade.. not as high as last patch but def not a 'wet noodle'

Izaki · June 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Swap your damage glyphs for regen glyphs.

Tested and proved, hit the insightful now.

And hit like a wet noodle. Tested and proved - it's not a pro solution.

The pro solution is to learn to manage your resources and in the process become a better player. Its as simple as working out a rotation with heavy attack weaving involved in some specific moments. Heavy Attacking everything just leads to a boring playstyle. Using heavy attacks strategically makes the whole resource management thing more interesting.
I mean its not even frustrating to learn new things.

Oh and those saying that changes were "nonesense" or "crap" I'm guessing you didn't realize that resource management was always a part of all TES games and that ESO is a TES game therefore should have a big focus on resource management. What fun is it to mash buttons for your skills all the time and repeat the same rotation for a whole boss fight? Now you actually have to think

Sneaky-Snurr · June 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I feel you OP but the only way now is to, well, adapt.

"Learn to Adapt", has become the new "Learn to Play" and "Git Gud".

@ArchMikem
Do note that I meant it with no prejudice and offense whatsoever.
I share OP's feelings and I do wish that most of the sustain nerf is reverted but in reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon so the next best step for everyone is to adapt to the new combat environment, there's no other way.

I'm one of the people who are against most of those nonsensical changes to sustain but we can either complain about it till the ends of the earth or we simply change our playstyle to suit the new environment (while still pleading to ZoS to revert the changes).

We can, however, leave. Which is more productive suggesting then suggesting we submit to the whims of the mad maestro that is Wrobel and continue to eat the crap sandwitch and ask for seconds.

Impact their bottom line. At the very least? Seek joy and dont be content to be a thrall to the company.

@Doctordarkspawn @ArchMikem
Actually, I still enjoy the game for what it's worth (minus Morrowind 'Chapter').

However, it takes more than a few leavers to affect ZoS's bottom line and I do not want this game to die off because ZoS aren't making enough to sustain (pun intended) the game for a few extended years. If that's the case, then there would be no ESO and that's disheartening.

I'd rather have a new Dev team work on ESO who are familiar with the ES series and are MUCH MUCH more efficient and sensibly-forward-thinking than the current team.

Nyghthowler · June 2017

JWKe wrote: »

Can't force a square peg into a round hole. Just adapt.

Yes, you can. Just spit on it a couple of times.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Well people have still managed to do vet HoF and vet Maw

So just wait until they post builds and copy and paste them like you did last time if your incapable of adapting yourself.

I think Alcast already has some up.

akl77 · June 2017

Yea, I kind of start to think what's the point of those damage sets, if regen sets are all we need. Yes it kills unkillable tanks, but it's still more fun if regen's not nerfed tbh.

Beesting · June 2017

@leepalmer95 considering i had allready played 2000+ hours by the time eso came out on ps4 i still find it hard to take advice from console players

But i appreciate you trying

This is not about copy pasting builds however, it is my sense of loss with the direction the game is taking, no progession but the constant nerfs
No amount of throwing heavy attacks in will fix this

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Beesting wrote: »

@leepalmer95 considering i had allready played 2000+ hours by the time eso came out on ps4 i still find it hard to take advice from console players

But i appreciate you trying

This is not about copy pasting builds however, it is my sense of loss with the direction the game is taking, no progession but the constant nerfs
No amount of throwing heavy attacks in will fix this

Theres a new trial, go and do that.

Time played is irrelevant, sustain got too much with cp so it got nerfed.

If you've really played 2k hours before console release then play and make builds like you did back then instead of all damage 0 regen builds.

akl77 · June 2017

Beesting wrote: »

@leepalmer95 considering i had allready played 2000+ hours by the time eso came out on ps4 i still find it hard to take advice from console players

But i appreciate you trying

This is not about copy pasting builds however, it is my sense of loss with the direction the game is taking, no progession but the constant nerfs
No amount of throwing heavy attacks in will fix this

Yea, cos when you use 1 or 2 abilities and resources all gone, it's ridiculous. It should at least let us use 4-6 times before draining the resources.
Also, the healing cone theme is really not working with pug groups, they don't care where the healer is and just die.

Smmokkee · June 2017

You're right no sustain isnt fun. #nerfresourcecostpoisons

Dixa · June 2017

something died in me when i was playing piano on my keyboard and not using heavy attacks like a traditional elder scrolls game.

Dixa · June 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

@leepalmer95 considering i had allready played 2000+ hours by the time eso came out on ps4 i still find it hard to take advice from console players

But i appreciate you trying

This is not about copy pasting builds however, it is my sense of loss with the direction the game is taking, no progession but the constant nerfs
No amount of throwing heavy attacks in will fix this

Yea, cos when you use 1 or 2 abilities and resources all gone, it's ridiculous. It should at least let us use 4-6 times before draining the resources.
Also, the healing cone theme is really not working with pug groups, they don't care where the healer is and just die.

you are exaggerating. one or two abilities and you're empty? is your character naked? are you magicka but put all points and geared for stamina?

hyperbole much?