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Did ZOS Ever Explain the Rationale Behind Removing Health Regeration From Pets?

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Mayanpup
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I don't read the forums everyday so might have missed it.
  • ADarklore
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    They only said it was 'intended, but now they are saying that they are listening to feedback and are looking into it.
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  • kunquatb16_ESO
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    They only said it was 'intended, but now they are saying that they are listening to feedback and are looking into it.

    Who's feedback do they listen to? coz it not the players feedback as far as I can tell.
  • SydneyGrey
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    Whenever they find that people are enjoying the game too much, they decide they have to nerf something. :/
    Sorry to sound so cynical, but that's how it seems lately. I'm sure they say it's for "balance" or something.
  • SoLooney
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    After weeks of people mentioning that pets didnt regen health out of combat and not being mentioned in the patch notes, we all thought it was a bug. Like who complained about pets healing back to full out of combat? Then conveniently, GinaBruno states that it was "accidentally" left out of the patch notes and that it was working as intended. Seems more like hey, we messed up, not gonna bother fixing, so lets just keep it in the game. But when glitches and bugs are present that benefit players, they fix that up in a jiffy. But hopefully our feedback will allow pets to regen again. i dont mind the damage nerfs, but that no healing sure stinks
  • max_only
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    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Hey guys, apologies for the delay. We got some answers tracked down for you and this is, actually, intended behavior. There were some changes for pets that went in back on the PTS, and unfortunately the patch notes for the changes were missed. Here are the things we changed and what is currently live:
    • Removed passive healing from summoned pets.
    • Increased a pet's damage reduction to radius attacks to 85% from 75%. This bonus applies to all attacks in Trials.
    • Clannfear pets no longer taunt enemies in Trials.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4185298/#Comment_4185298
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Hey guys, just letting you know we've been reading all your feedback in this thread, and plan to re-evaluate the changes made to pet health regeneration in the future.


    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4212250/#Comment_4212250

    Edited by max_only on June 11, 2017 7:43AM
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  • Anhedonie
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    I think it was done to prevent bots from afk leveling.
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  • BlackSparrow
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    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I think it was done to prevent bots from afk leveling.

    ...that is actually an implementation I hadn't considered.

    It's still an awful idea, but if someone had said that as part of the intention, I'd have at least understood.
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    Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
    Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
    Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
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    Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
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  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I think it was done to prevent bots from afk leveling.

    If you're moving I think your pet should regen health. If they left it like that it would be a great tool for bots. Bots don't usually move.

  • BlackSparrow
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    OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »
    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I think it was done to prevent bots from afk leveling.

    If you're moving I think your pet should regen health. If they left it like that it would be a great tool for bots. Bots don't usually move.

    Yes they do, depending on what they're doing. You see bot trains running back and forth in some locations around the map, using sorc summons to farm mobs along the path.
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    My Girls:
    "If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"

    Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
    Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
    Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
    Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
    Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
    Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
    Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
    Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
    Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
    Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
    Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
    Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
    Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
    Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
    Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
    Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
    Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"

    (Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)
  • Insandros
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    Some other pvper crying about something i presume being unfair about a classe he doesn't play and found it unfair, and it got nerfed :) I Blame PvPers for everything happening.
    Edited by Insandros on June 11, 2017 10:44AM
  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Could just change pet behavior to attack targets that the player has attacked first instead of reacting to when the player has been attacked, like Assist Mode from WoW. Another idea is to have mobs drop no loot if the player took no action in dealing damage to what the Pets have attacked. That also came from WoW to prevent Bot Hunters from leaving their Pets on Defensive Mode doing all the killing while standing in aggressive mob areas.
  • Biro123
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    I can only think it's a nerf to the ability of petsorcs to solo dungeons etc.. I guess it means trinimac may make a comeback?
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  • Skjoldur
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    They only said it was 'intended, but now they are saying that they are listening to feedback and are looking into it.

    Removing in-combat regeneration is questionable, but okay. I don't think that makes a huge difference.

    Removing out of combat regeneration is completely absurd. Resummoning your half dead pet after a fight is as stupid as changing zones for receiving mail. (I would really like to know how much unnecessary server stress the latter creates)
  • Skjoldur
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    Insandros wrote: »
    Some other pvper crying about something i presume being unfair about a classe he doesn't play and found it unfair, and it got nerfed :) I Blame PvPers for everything happening.

    The stupid bear was the first thing I replaced in PvP. That bear is so dumb, I would not be surprised if it went to catch some slaughterfish.
    Edited by Skjoldur on June 11, 2017 1:36PM
  • Skjoldur
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    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I think it was done to prevent bots from afk leveling.

    And a bot could not automatically resummon a pet? Lazy non-botters mabye? Interesting idea... I will try this with the auto-ressurect bear just for fun.

    Thinking of it: I think Blizzard had a similar problem with the Hunter. At least I think this is the reason why kills don't count if the player has not done any damage to the mob before the pet kills it. -- Can be annoying though, if the pet one-shots things in lower level zones.
    Edited by Skjoldur on June 11, 2017 11:35AM
  • max_only
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    Well there aren't any "lower level" zones per se. Out of combat health regeneration could have just been lowered, removed all together doesn't make sense.
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  • Skjoldur
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    max_only wrote: »
    Well there aren't any "lower level" zones per se. Out of combat health regeneration could have just been lowered, removed all together doesn't make sense.

    Responding to me? "lower level zones" was refering to an annoyance in WoW as a result of their solution. That obviously does not apply to ESO with level scaling. The Blizzard solution should work great in ESO without the loss of pet regen.
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