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Can you substitute a racial passive skill and put those skill points somewhere else?
Kaide
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Can you substitute a racial passive skill and put those skill points somewhere else?
I made a Khajiit Warden. However, I noticed that one of my racial skills is "Stealthy"...an ability that increases damage while stealthed. Do a lot of player skip 1 or 2 of their racial passives to put those points somewhere else? Will substituting your racial passives for other skills hurt you in the long run?
I made a Khajiit Warden. However, I noticed that one of my racial skills is "Stealthy"...an ability that increases damage while stealthed. Do a lot of player skip 1 or 2 of their racial passives to put those points somewhere else? Will substituting your racial passives for other skills hurt you in the long run?
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you don't feel that your play style utilizes a particular passive, you can leave points out.
So in your example, if you don't use stealth to get higher initial damage on an attack, then putting points in that passive might be a waste for you.Edited by Katahdin on June 10, 2017 2:17AMBeta tester November 20130 -
Kaide✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
Whats a good substitute passive for "Stealthy"?0 -
Jamascus✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
Whats a good substitute passive for "Stealthy"?
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you can only use the racial passives of the race you picked for your character. If you don't want/need the extra damage from attacking while hidden then don't put the points in that passive. Then you can use those points in other areas, either skills or passives from other skill lines.
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭@Kaide literally ignore it if you won't use the bonus it provides. Purchase skills or passives in other lines that will have an effect on your play style. I generally pick these up, but I also have a small habit of farming skill points so that a few misspent ones are of little issue.
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Respecs aren't too expensive either, if you decide you want to change your skill point set up.Edited by CaptainBeerDude on June 10, 2017 3:04AM0 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You'll eventually have enough skill points to buy everything you want. That said, this is such a useful passive if you ever PvP it doesn't make much sense to skip. You could even use it on bosses in PvE.1 -
Kaide✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
Whats a good substitute passive for "Stealthy"?
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you can only use the racial passives of the race you picked for your character. If you don't want/need the extra damage from attacking while hidden then don't put the points in that passive. Then you can use those points in other areas, either skills or passives from other skill lines.
Why is so hard to understand what I'm asking.....if you are a Khajiit you have the "option" to put 3 points into the racial passive skill "Stealthy".....if you do not put those points in "Stealthy" then where should you put those points if you are lets say a tank? Do the 3 points just disappear if you do not put the 3 points into "Stealthy"?Edited by Kaide on June 10, 2017 4:18AM0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The 3 points don't disappear. You can put them where ever you want.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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I think everyone has explained how it works. Skill points go wherever you want them to. So if don't want to put in stealthy don't. They won't disappear!! Just use them someplace else for whatever build you are planning.
Nothing is required for you to apply skill points to. Just ignore what you don't want and put points where you want them to.
Also people can't exactly tell you what to take if they have no idea what you are building for or trying to do!!0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
Whats a good substitute passive for "Stealthy"?
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you can only use the racial passives of the race you picked for your character. If you don't want/need the extra damage from attacking while hidden then don't put the points in that passive. Then you can use those points in other areas, either skills or passives from other skill lines.
Why is so hard to understand what I'm asking.....if you are a Khajiit you have the "option" to put 3 points into the racial passive skill "Stealthy".....if you do not put those points in "Stealthy" then where should you put those point if you are lets say a tank? Do the 3 points just disappear if you do not put the 3 points into "Stealthy"?
There are no Khajiit passives that are specific to tanks. But instead of stealth, but them into the passive for stamina or unlock the sword and sheilds weapon line and put them on those skills that are useful for a tank.
As stated above, you wont lose the points and you can put the points where you want.Edited by Katahdin on June 10, 2017 3:49AMBeta tester November 20130 -
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✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
Yeah I don't take the imperial passives with the 10% leech on them compared to power surge on a sorc char, but if I have extra points I do.0 -
Kaide✭✭✭cwolfe702b14_ESO wrote: »I think everyone has explained how it works. Skill points go wherever you want them to. So if don't want to put in stealthy don't. They won't disappear!! Just use them someplace else for whatever build you are planning.
Nothing is required for you to apply skill points to. Just ignore what you don't want and put points where you want them to.
Also people can't exactly tell you what to take if they have no idea what you are building for or trying to do!!
What I'm trying to get to I guess.....is if you were a Khajiit Warden Stamina Tank......when you reach max level and have picked out all the skills you wanted and you are left with 3 points that you decided not to put into "Stealthy".....are there other skills where those 3 points can go that are just as good as stealthy (I don't mean in a Tanking sense....I mean like passive skills on par with racial abilities no matter which race you pick)? What I'm trying to get at....is are there passive skills that are just as good as the racial passive skills to still put your points in? This is too complicated to explain in text. I'm trying to figure out if it is significantly better to pick a race where you can use all 3 of their racial passives instead of a race where you will only be using two of their racial passives.Edited by Kaide on June 10, 2017 4:31AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cwolfe702b14_ESO wrote: »I think everyone has explained how it works. Skill points go wherever you want them to. So if don't want to put in stealthy don't. They won't disappear!! Just use them someplace else for whatever build you are planning.
Nothing is required for you to apply skill points to. Just ignore what you don't want and put points where you want them to.
Also people can't exactly tell you what to take if they have no idea what you are building for or trying to do!!
What I'm trying to get to I guess.....is if you were a Khajiit Warden Stamina Tank......when you reach max level and have picked out all the skills you wanted and you are left with 3 points that you decided not to put into "Stealthy".....are there other skills where those 3 points can go that are just as good as stealthy (like skills on par with racial abilities no matter which race you pick)? What I'm trying to get at....is are there passive skills that are just as good as the racial passive skills to still put your points in? This is too complicated to explain in text....
Yes.
You can put them in restoration staff for all that it matters.
You can even put those points into the alchemy passive that increases the duration of potion effects further than their cooldown giving you 100% uptime on that effect.
You can put those three into crafting.
You can put them into Fighters Guilds passives.
You can put them into legerdemain so that you can break out of cages during that one boss fight in WGT.
You can put them anywhere you see fit in the future.
There isn't a "equivalent" place to put them.
You don't even have to use them at all, you can leave them unused.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
This is probably the worst advice I've ever seen ever. Passives are absolutely a must.
Playing without them would be the equivalent of purposely breaking your own knees before going to play Soccer/Football. I mean you'd really, really just have to be a bad player to recommend somebody do this.
OP - there is more than enough skillpoints in this game to maximize 12+ combat abilities + morph them (10 abilities, 2 ults) + all utilities (thief, murder, ledgermain, Guilds, soul magic - hell you can even be a master crafter in all 6 classes). There is no reason to be debating skipping skills unless they are extra abilities which you can't slot because you have your max 12 assigned. You can get somewhere in the ballpark of 350-400+ skillpoints.. you should never be left in a position of sacrificing.
Passives provide boosts to stats that are too critical to lose out on. Sure it's an "option" - but taking any other "option" in most cases is choosing to gimp yourself.Edited by lagrue on June 10, 2017 5:03AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭@lagrue are you sure? He's just started by the sounds of things. He won't have 200+ SP's to spend. There is absolutely other things that those first SP's can go into without sacrificing any combat ability. And if it's a passive for sneak attack damage on a toon that doesn't sneak, you are absolutely wasting points.
Or are you just trying to start a fight with me?2 -
mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »Like any other passives. Skip them unless you need them.
This is probably the worst advice I've ever seen ever. Passives are absolutely a must.
Playing without them would be the equivalent of purposely breaking your own knees before going to play Soccer/Football. I mean you'd really, really just have to be a bad player to recommend somebody do this.
In this specific instance, it's more like recommending that OP not buy bowling shoes if they're trying to play table tennis.
Not every passive is useful to every build, and recommending that someone take every passive just because they're passives is incredibly poor advice for any player, let alone a new one who isn't rolling around in skill points.
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Lavennin✭✭✭I think what the OP didn't get was that skillpoints are not class/race-specific; meaning that they are universal. You get 1 point, you spend it anywhere you want. So you can, say, not put points into any racial passives and spend them elsewhere. Whether it's recommended is another story.
This system is very different from what's in most other MMOs, where points exist within a certain class tree or weapon tree and can't be used elsewhere.1