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Are World Firsts Really Legitimate?
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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You realise all the guilds going for world firsts keep up with each other right, what do you mean it can't be proved, I don't understand your thinking. All of the people posting world firsts post their screenshots and a video to go along with it and also tell the others in group chat or whatever that they got it, usually how ESO goes.This is not WoW.
World first is insignificant and can't be proved.
I didn't see any achievements in the journal that remotely resembles "World First etc.".
No achievements=no proof.
Trial score is not an indicator of world first.
One of my early access chars might have been the first level 50 char, though I know it ?
No.
There is no "World First Achievements".
What I think about hof world firsts is that, the trial got beat on the 2nd week of PTS, then it got adjustments and kept getting beat on the PTS for the duration it was on there, regardless if everyone had access to PTS isn't the question, this was a huge mistake on ZOS side by making it almost identical to what it will be on live, people had their full raid set ups ready, all of their builds and everything. 2 hours after launch it was beaten and this could have happened with many other guilds.
World first is a world first but I think ZOS screwed up with this trial and the PTS.#MOREORBS2 -
Cêltic421✭✭✭✭Idc about world first just means that they play this game for hours and hours a day. And of course it's PC who gets it cause they had access months before consoles so they had a very good idea on how to beat the trial cause they have beaten it during the beta. I would be impressed if it was some group from consoles. I would also be disappointed cause it would show how easy the trial was and the hardest trial would be MoL, a trial over a year old.1 -
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✭You pay testers for that or what about they do their job and test the trials too.
that requires funding. ZOS is a small studio with a fixed allocation of development funding. telling them to pony up for professional testers is a little insensitive to the bigger picture.Anyways it doesn't really matter, Trials are a joke, Leaderboard are a joke and there's no reward besides being the first at killing a big robot and this game is also very far from being a competitive PvE game
subjective opinion is subjective opinion.
Even if this was absolutely true, then what exactly in the game is "worth it" to you? its a video game. of course it doesnt mean as much as. . .say your job, or education. like, come on. why are you making these comments?
Besides the PvP respect you can earn in this game there's nothing else that is really worth it, I'm just saying that in others game being world first at clearing a raid is like whao, I show a lot of respect for that in others games because it gets released blindly for everyone but in this game with the pts? That is only available on one platform out of 3 and it was a private PTS? I got lucky to get in but not everyone got that luck.
Like I said I wish this game had more competitive PvE but releasing a trial for early access to only famous guilds is kinda sad, at least change the mechanics for the final release, I don't know.Edited by Kay1 on June 9, 2017 3:30PMK1 The Big Monkey0 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭Well i didn't like it before because i was on xbox for 2 and a half years and i would have liked a shot at them but since 3/5 of the player base literally did not have a chance to participate I'm not very impressed.
and I'm now im on PC and Im even less impressed as i feel Ive ran into more potatoes on PC than i ever did on xbox lol
but at least i can be apart of it now!
EDIT: although i have run into more potatoes on PC it is much easier to find better player guilds and such. so not that all of PC are potatoes, just seems to be my experience so farEdited by magictucktuck on June 9, 2017 3:51PM0 -
firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭I give them props for just getting a group of people that work together for longer than 3 minutes.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »
The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks
^This.^
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭It's easy to say who cares until you've spent multiple days working on boss fights and then finally accomplish something that no one else has done yet.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This world first will be legit .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1IJ7ZBGSykA
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Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Why do I need pharmaceuticals?Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Exactly.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Still not special.
Still means nothing.
Everything is meaningless. We all die in the end anyway.
Everything dies.
The End.
You need some Xanax.
Death is a natural part of the cycle of life.
Everything will die. Video games, people, the planet; the Universe as a whole is fated to be an endless, black, lifeless void, with no light or life at all. It's even stated in Physics via the Law of Entropy.
Once you become comfortable with the fact that death is inevitable, for everybody, it opens up whole new worlds of perspective on what really does/does not matter.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Nope.After the most recent "world first" that was posted, I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of it all. I'm also not impressed. Why you ask? Because often times than not, the people who have gotten the content complete had their hands on it long before 2 other platforms did. Plus, they had early access via the PTR to work on it. Throw in the fact that the most recent installment had private beta access, and it kinda is like the folks who had obtained "world firsts" were cherry picked for it.
What are you all's opinions on it? I'm curious.
It matters none, and is special in no way at all.
All the "World's First" post do; is stroke an e-peen for a small bit of time, then it fades away back into the meaningless nothingness from whence it came.
Really, "World's First" is unimpressive in any way you look at it.
You know, you're damn right!
The ESO will die, the Universe will perish and the humanity would be lost and forgotten. Everything comes to an end and everything sinks into nothingness.
So the only worthwhile thing we can do is making the ride as enticing as possible. Find all the joy we can in the world where end is inevitable, spend as much time as we can on things we enjoy and as little as we can - on things we don't like. Do what makes us feel good and be proud of things we accomplish while doing it...
Oh yeah. Right. Forgot other option. One can, of course, belittle and resent others and what they do, call everything "meaningless" and the waste of time, because, of course, you know better what people should do with their lifes and what should they be proud of.
Yeah, forgot that. Very impactful option the Universe and Humanity would be grateful for. /s
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ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »It's easy to say who cares until you've spent multiple days working on boss fights and then finally accomplish something that no one else has done yet.
I honestly feel kind of bad for yall. I do not mean that in a condescending way either. There is no fanfare, no race, its going to be PC first anyways because consoles are released later.
The world firsts from WoW felt like a race, had fans and even Blizzard involved during them. More so during WoTLK and BC but still.
With ZoS it seems like hey here is trial, 3 hours after release, its been beaten. To the majority of players it doesn't look like much of an accomplishment, you were given weeks before 90% of the player base knew anything about it and then BOOM, supposedly the "hardest" content and end game content is over less than 3 hours after released.
Once again, kuddos, I know the work you have to put in and the hours to do it, but it does seem a little lackluster because there is no race, nothing public, no one on the edge of their seats cheering for their favorite team.
It feels more like. "O hey that multiplayer Skyrim game had some people do some stuff...cool" No your fault, ZoS should make a big deal out of things like this.Edited by ThePaleItalian on June 9, 2017 4:15PMConan, what is good in life?
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alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭why not? Don't be petty give credit where is due.
Because it wasn't really a legitimate competition? Sure they beat it and I probably won't even try. But world's first has no meaning when you were able to access the content well before most everyone else.
If the content wasn't on pts and pc didn't receive early access it would have more meaning is all.0 -
Graydon✭✭✭✭✭Just thinking how impressed Timmy's hiring manager will be during the interview when he shares his grand achievements on a video game.
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Urkraft✭✭✭✭✭But world's first has no meaning when you were able to access the content well before most everyone else.
everyone who was capable of getting raid clear, had access. even semiprogress and casual guild-raids were fully present on pts from first week on. sure, freshman xy who is in game since a month and cp 130 maybe didnt get access, but the pts phase and those statements by zos about a closed beta were in the end just a joke. but there is no use of talking about such kind of competition, when somebody isnt even in the position of getting it. everyone, who was capable of doing the vet mode clear within a decent amount of time, had access from the beginning of pts and also did it. even my casual guild was present there and my semi-progress pve guild was on pts too. talking like there were only like 30 handpicked players on pts is just ...meh.Edited by Urkraft on June 9, 2017 4:55PM0 -
Bowser✭✭✭✭✭As a fellow world first achiever, I fully support Hodor's world first achievements even if they used the super salt generator 9000+ cheat engine haxsploit technique. Great job guys!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Considering that vMoL wasn't cleared as fast and HM even longer the difference was kinda flattened out and Hodor still had the first clears.
Hodor cleared vMoL HM well before anyone else did. It's because their core team has the strongest work ethic of anyone on all three platforms.
They have my kudos. Now @Ch4mpTW get your no death vHoF run in the next few weeks and maybe come back with your thoughts on the matter. Catch up time for console.Edited by idk on June 9, 2017 5:13PM2 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭As a fellow world first achiever, I fully support Hodor's world first achievements even if they used the super salt generator 9000+ cheat engine haxsploit technique. Great job guys!
World first tank to get the killing blow on Rakkhat Hardmode, god amongst men hereEdited by theamazingx on June 9, 2017 5:19PM1 -
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No, beyond worked on HM for 5 months and cleared it first.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Hodor cleared vMoL HM well before anyone else did. It's because their core team has the strongest work ethic of anyone on all three platforms.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just thinking how impressed Timmy's hiring manager will be during the interview when he shares his grand achievements on a video game.
Little Timmy is definitely getting instant corporate status. And his own parking space.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Considering that vMoL wasn't cleared as fast and HM even longer the difference was kinda flattened out and Hodor still had the first clears.
Hodor cleared vMoL HM well before anyone else did. It's because their core team has the strongest work ethic of anyone on all three platforms.
They have my kudos. Now @Ch4mpTW get your no death vHoF run in the next few weeks and maybe come back with your thoughts on the matter. Catch up time for console.
@Graydon I'll politely decline. I'll get around to VHoF when I get around to it. I'm not in any rush in the slightest. I have no one to impress, but me and me alone nowadays. Besides, I haven't even set foot in NHoF yet. Enjoying the questing of Morrowind too much to care about banging out a trial. Especially a veteran trial like VHoF. I'm also having a blast leveling my MagDen (and soon to be StamDen).
Maybe after a few months I'll tackle it, and give it a shot. But how I feel as of lately, makes me not want to be bothered with veteran trials for quite some time. And not from negativity either. But, from me not really being interested enough to go about completing it. In fact, the ONLY thing that intrigues me about HoF is the amazing detailing that I've heard so much about. And how aesthetically pleasing it all is. I could care less about yet another skin I probably won't wear (I hardly wear my Dromathra skin nowadays), or title that will get overshadowed by Flawless Conqueror.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭World first existed before the other 2 platforms had the game. They're legit. There was always the competition between NA/EU.
Yeah it sucks that realistically console will never get a world first, but it's still just the way it's called.Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord1 -
Raghul✭✭✭Even without pts they would probably be first to complete because they work hard for it. Hard work pays off, gratz to themAeg4n
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✭Artemiisia wrote: »Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.
The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks
Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.
People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.
@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).
Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.
Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.
So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.
All ZoS would have to do is stick to their original release date(no pc early access), and not put the trial on pts. ZoS knows patches have to be approved, they should release on all platforms at the same time. I guarantee when Destiny 2 comes out on all platforms it will release same day for all, and the raid won't be seen until then. Other company's seem to get it...its totally ZoS' s fault imo!
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
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Exactly! You get it! You seem to be the only 1 to truly grasp at what I've been hinting at. There would be actually something to cheer about and something to be ecstatic about, in my opinion. There would be a drive there to do such things, because benefits from said feat have real world effects (in this case a membership requiring you to save money). There were prizes on the line that actually meant something (to a degree).0 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭Oldschool Runescape First Inferno Clear: given free flight to Runefest, lifetime membership, and a irl Inferno Cape plus renowned respect.
ESO world first: salty forums
Exactly! You get it! You seem to be the only 1 to truly grasp at what I've been hinting at. There would be actually something to cheer about and something to be ecstatic about, in my opinion. There would be a drive there to do such things, because benefits from said feat have real world effects (in this case a membership requiring you to save money). There were prizes on the line that actually meant something (to a degree).
Well yeah, it's just for fun. The post is literally a "hey guys look what we did" post, just like someone posting about clearing vma for the first time, or this cool thing they made out of housing furniture. The only people treating it like serious business are the ones compulsively trying to invalidate it, as if this fraction of a percent of players that enjoy being competitive in trials threaten their own playstyle, whatever it may be.2 -
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✭Artemiisia wrote: »Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.
The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks
Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.
People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.
@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).
Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.
Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.
So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.
This. The first XBox clear was filled with players who already had clears on PC.
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I forgot. This is the internet.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Why do I need pharmaceuticals?Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Exactly.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Still not special.
Still means nothing.
Everything is meaningless. We all die in the end anyway.
Everything dies.
The End.
You need some Xanax.
Death is a natural part of the cycle of life.
Everything will die. Video games, people, the planet; the Universe as a whole is fated to be an endless, black, lifeless void, with no light or life at all. It's even stated in Physics via the Law of Entropy.
Once you become comfortable with the fact that death is inevitable, for everybody, it opens up whole new worlds of perspective on what really does/does not matter.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Nope.After the most recent "world first" that was posted, I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of it all. I'm also not impressed. Why you ask? Because often times than not, the people who have gotten the content complete had their hands on it long before 2 other platforms did. Plus, they had early access via the PTR to work on it. Throw in the fact that the most recent installment had private beta access, and it kinda is like the folks who had obtained "world firsts" were cherry picked for it.
What are you all's opinions on it? I'm curious.
It matters none, and is special in no way at all.
All the "World's First" post do; is stroke an e-peen for a small bit of time, then it fades away back into the meaningless nothingness from whence it came.
Really, "World's First" is unimpressive in any way you look at it.
You know, you're damn right!
The ESO will die, the Universe will perish and the humanity would be lost and forgotten. Everything comes to an end and everything sinks into nothingness.
So the only worthwhile thing we can do is making the ride as enticing as possible. Find all the joy we can in the world where end is inevitable, spend as much time as we can on things we enjoy and as little as we can - on things we don't like. Do what makes us feel good and be proud of things we accomplish while doing it...
Oh yeah. Right. Forgot other option. One can, of course, belittle and resent others and what they do, call everything "meaningless" and the waste of time, because, of course, you know better what people should do with their lifes and what should they be proud of.
Yeah, forgot that. Very impactful option the Universe and Humanity would be grateful for. /s
The Gods have forbidden that people formulate their own opinion on any topic of discussion.
Gosh darn it and stuff. How silly of me...
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✭✭✭World firsts are definitely legit and I give props to the people dedicated enough to pull them off.
I feel that many of them do it at the expense of really enjoying the game, but whatever blows your dress up. It's the same reason I will never see the leaderboard or a World First myself. It's just not my thing but I can't fault them for playing the way they want. The ES world was founded on that principle.0 -
Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭I think that the only ones who care about "World Firsts" are the ones that post every world first they claim.
I wish I could be the "World First" for not caring, but unfortunately you beat me to it @Ch4mpTW.
On the plus side there are two servers. Who claimed the world first for the NA server? Not that I really care.1
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