Are World Firsts Really Legitimate?

Alcast · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.

The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks

Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.

People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.

@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).

Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.

Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.

So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.

DannyLV702 · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

laksikus wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

OP got called out^^

Called out...? Called out on...? I don't get it. Did I make that thread? Yes. Absolutely. I made plenty of threads similar, and threads of me solo'ing dungeons and world bosses. And? Your point? And for the record, I think it was very juvenile of me making those threads. Why? Because in the end they ultimately meant nothing. It was for digital bragging rights that amounted to nada. I can't walk into a business, and place "1st PS4-NA _____ Clear" as a reason why I should be hired. Kek.

@DannyLV702 Here is some advice. If you want to call yourself "exposing" me, make sure to post something at least within the past 6 months. That way it's close to being relevant. August 2016 tho'...? You are digging way too deep, and trying far too hard to go about humiliating someone over the Internet. And even that didn't work, as I don't regret making those threads back then nor this current thread now.

Man don't even flatter yourself. I didn't dig it up, I just remembered it because I remember you posting it waaaaaay after other groups I knew of had completed it.

Universe · June 2017

This is not WoW.
World first is insignificant and can't be proved.
I didn't see any achievements in the journal that remotely resembles "World First etc.".
No achievements=no proof.
Trial score is not an indicator of world first.
One of my early access chars might have been the first level 50 char, though I know it ?
No.
There is no "World First Achievements".

xblackroxe · June 2017

Lord wrote: »

This is not WoW.
World first is insignificant and can't be proved.
I didn't see any achievement in the journal that remotely resembles "World First etc.".
No achievement=no proof.
Trial score is not an indicator of world first.
One of my early access chars might have been the first level 50 char, though I know it ?
No.
There is no "World First Achievements".

Show me another speedrun achievement that shows and earlier or equal date as ours does and we can talk about the illegitimacy of our world first.

Balsagna · June 2017

If a guild claiming world firsts is the price I have to pay to get video breakdowns of bosses so I don't have to spend 30 hours painfully learning content then so be it. These guilds perform a service for a significant portions of the ESO community, and deserve some sort of recognition for it. If this is it, then so be it.

Some part of me is jealous that they can sit there and play for that long. My wife would be thinking of ways to murder me in my sleep if I played the game to this level.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.

The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks

Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.

People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.

@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).

Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.

Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.

So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.

@Alcast Very true and valid points. I agree with you in all aspects in that regards. How is it the player's faults, when they aren't the 1's working for ZOS (or M$ or SONY)? Can't be. That doesn't even sound right. Lol. I'm just happy though that we could see where we both were coming from, and could have a mutual understanding. After all, I have a PC account (though I hardly ever use it anymore). So I couldn't even hate on you all on PC, even if I wanted to. That'd make no sense, as I was a beta tester for this game. Lol. ^_^

Keep up the good work, bruh. Seriously. I like what you are doing in regards to educating people about things (e.g. Jump points), and taking the time out to post videos to further explain points you make on your website and here on the forums in-depth. You're a good person. Both in skills and personality.

Artemiisia · June 2017

Lord wrote: »

This is not WoW.
World first is insignificant and can't be proved.
I didn't see any achievement in the journal that remotely resembles "World First etc.".
No achievement=no proof.
Trial score is not an indicator of world first.
One of my early access chars might have been the first level 50 char, though I know it ?
No.
There is no "World First Achievements".

well around 2-3 hours into the early access we could see on leaderboard who had worlds first, since they were the only onces there, so proof was there

Alcast · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.

The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks

Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.

People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.

@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).

Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.

Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.

So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.

@Alcast Very true and valid points. I agree with you in all aspects in that regards. How is it the player's faults, when they aren't the 1's working for ZOS (or M$ or SONY)? Can't be. That doesn't even sound right. Lol. I'm just happy though that we could see where we both were coming from, and could have a mutual understanding. After all, I have a PC account (though I hardly ever use it anymore). So I couldn't even hate on you all on PC, even if I wanted to. That'd make no sense, as I was a beta tester for this game. Lol. ^_^

Keep up the good work, bruh. Seriously. I like what you are doing in regards to educating people about things (e.g. Jump points), and taking the time out to post videos to further explain points you make on your website and here on the forums in-depth. You're a good person. Both in skills and personality.

Thanks

Ye I mean the raidcommunity is not that big here anyway, I do not really bother posting on the forums a lot because I know its just a huge saltmine >.>

laksikus · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

laksikus wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

OP got called out^^

Called out...? Called out on...? I don't get it. Did I make that thread? Yes. Absolutely. I made plenty of threads similar, and threads of me solo'ing dungeons and world bosses. And? Your point? And for the record, I think it was very juvenile of me making those threads. Why? Because in the end they ultimately meant nothing. It was for digital bragging rights that amounted to nada. I can't walk into a business, and place "1st PS4-NA _____ Clear" as a reason why I should be hired. Kek.

@DannyLV702 Here is some advice. If you want to call yourself "exposing" me, make sure to post something at least within the past 6 months. That way it's close to being relevant. August 2016 tho'...? You are digging way too deep, and trying far too hard to go about humiliating someone over the Internet. And even that didn't work, as I don't regret making those threads back then nor this current thread now.

Called out on being a hypocrite

Kiwi · June 2017

being first doesnt make you best
just means you get up earlier

Merlin13KAGL · June 2017

Kiwi wrote: »

being first doesnt make you best
just means you get up earlier

Uh...puts you in the #1 spot until someone else manages to take it from you, so yeah, I think it kinda does...

xblackroxe · June 2017

Kiwi wrote: »

being first doesnt make you best
just means you get up earlier

Good that we already established over the last year that we are not only the first but also the best.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Still, the practice and dedication those people are putting into this is impressive, I wont be able to sit in a trial like 7-8 hours each day to get that kinda results, so no matter if they have had access for 2 months before it on PTS, they deserve the reoknations of their hard work.

The thing is also, some of the people from Hodor, is helping tons of people with builds and such, on youtube, websites and such, which is hugely appreciated by the common folks

Thanks We are trying to get more open as well in terms of streaming & releasing video content.

People overestimate the hours per week we raid. We have 3 raid days and each raid is 3hours. In the end we raid about 6 hours per week because we have serious problems with people going afk mid raid or coming late to raids >.>
@Ch4mpTW All PC Raidguilds had access to the PTS server, we just put the most time in it whereas other guilds did not because they did not preparse as good as we did or had drama in guild etc. I am aware that console did not have that chance, but you should not compare PC release vs Console release, as you get the update always 2 weeks later.

@Alcast I understand, and this thread was by no means meant to belittle you all's achievement and clown you all. It was meant for me to see how everyone's thoughts and opinions were on how something could be called a world first clear of something, when early access is had and all that jazz. I even said congratulations, and I meant it. You all did a great job doing whatever it is that you all do. Am I impressed by it? No. Not really. But, am I pleased to see another person shining and doing well? Absolutely. No need for me to be a hater (unless you or someone you know is the first Warden with Master Angler).

Ye I understand, I mean in the end it is up to ZOS. But i think how they apply patches etc console will always get an update 2 weeks later. The only thing you could do is get a PC account and raid on PC PTS if you really want to go for it. But like I said, in my opinion PC and console should not be compared to each other as the 2 weeks gap makes it unfair.

Another thing is, its also not really a fair fight on consoles themselfs, because some console raidguilds have access to PC raidguilds, so by the time vHoF launched on console, some guild members on console already experienced fights almost up to the last boss and a lot saw videos etc.

So the only way that would make this balanced is release PTS for everyone and launch the update on the same day. But this will not happen because Microsoft and Sony are control freaks.

@Alcast Very true and valid points. I agree with you in all aspects in that regards. How is it the player's faults, when they aren't the 1's working for ZOS (or M$ or SONY)? Can't be. That doesn't even sound right. Lol. I'm just happy though that we could see where we both were coming from, and could have a mutual understanding. After all, I have a PC account (though I hardly ever use it anymore). So I couldn't even hate on you all on PC, even if I wanted to. That'd make no sense, as I was a beta tester for this game. Lol. ^_^

Keep up the good work, bruh. Seriously. I like what you are doing in regards to educating people about things (e.g. Jump points), and taking the time out to post videos to further explain points you make on your website and here on the forums in-depth. You're a good person. Both in skills and personality.

Thanks

Ye I mean the raidcommunity is not that big here anyway, I do not really bother posting on the forums a lot because I know its just a huge saltmine >.>

I definitely could agree with you on that.

laksikus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

laksikus wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

The hypocracy is real

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/285410/1st-vet-craddle-of-shadows-clear-on-ps4#latest

OP got called out^^

Called out...? Called out on...? I don't get it. Did I make that thread? Yes. Absolutely. I made plenty of threads similar, and threads of me solo'ing dungeons and world bosses. And? Your point? And for the record, I think it was very juvenile of me making those threads. Why? Because in the end they ultimately meant nothing. It was for digital bragging rights that amounted to nada. I can't walk into a business, and place "1st PS4-NA _____ Clear" as a reason why I should be hired. Kek.

@DannyLV702 Here is some advice. If you want to call yourself "exposing" me, make sure to post something at least within the past 6 months. That way it's close to being relevant. August 2016 tho'...? You are digging way too deep, and trying far too hard to go about humiliating someone over the Internet. And even that didn't work, as I don't regret making those threads back then nor this current thread now.

Called out on being a hypocrite

Lol. Is that right? Ok then. Whatever floats your boat. Pssssst. Here's a secret. You float best when relaxed, and free or worry. It's the secret to swimming. ...Unless of course you're being chased by sharks. In which case you better swim like hell. xD

Rickter · June 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

While I completely agree with you farming tears on the forums is fun. So people don't change, whenever we have an achievement to share bring us those tasty salty tears of yours.

Maybe im reading this wrong but it seems that you are implying that part of the reason you guys post "Firsts" is to garner the negative reaction you received.

I am sorry but thats wrong. HODOR can be an inspiration to the entire community. You can set the example. Some might argue you have the responsibility to do so. But if you stoop to the level of those throwing salt at you, then you are no better.

a World First is a show of ability, dedication, and accomplishment. At least that what it is to me. Maybe im wrong.

Kay1 · June 2017

No, Trials shouldn't be in the PTS first of all to avoid this unfairness but at the end is just a trial and nobody really cares

subtlezeroub17_ESO · June 2017

This thread is getting juicy.

Backstabbings, reveals, call-outs, apologies and explanations. Moar I say !

Rickter · June 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

No, Trials shouldn't be in the PTS first of all to avoid this unfairness but at the end is just a trial and nobody really cares

they need to be on the PTS.

functionality, testing, bug identification.

because if not, then everyone would cry about them launching a broken product (which people have)

Knightpanther · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

After the most recent "world first" that was posted, I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of it all. I'm also not impressed. Why you ask? Because often times than not, the people who have gotten the content complete had their hands on it long before 2 other platforms did. Plus, they had early access via the PTR to work on it. Throw in the fact that the most recent installment had private beta access, and it kinda is like the folks who had obtained "world firsts" were cherry picked for it.

What are you all's opinions on it? I'm curious.

TBH who cares about them?

Be safe

Kay1 · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

No, Trials shouldn't be in the PTS first of all to avoid this unfairness but at the end is just a trial and nobody really cares

they need to be on the PTS.

functionality, testing, bug identification.

because if not, then everyone would cry about them launching a broken product (which people have)

You pay testers for that or what about they do their job and test the trials too.

Anyways it doesn't really matter, Trials are a joke, Leaderboard are a joke and there's no reward besides being the first at killing a big robot and this game is also very far from being a competitive PvE game

Rickter · June 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

You pay testers for that or what about they do their job and test the trials too.

that requires funding. ZOS is a small studio with a fixed allocation of development funding. telling them to pony up for professional testers is a little insensitive to the bigger picture.

Kay1 wrote: »

Anyways it doesn't really matter, Trials are a joke, Leaderboard are a joke and there's no reward besides being the first at killing a big robot and this game is also very far from being a competitive PvE game

subjective opinion is subjective opinion.

Even if this was absolutely true, then what exactly in the game is "worth it" to you? its a video game. of course it doesnt mean as much as. . .say your job, or education. like, come on. why are you making these comments?

xblackroxe · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

While I completely agree with you farming tears on the forums is fun. So people don't change, whenever we have an achievement to share bring us those tasty salty tears of yours.

Maybe im reading this wrong but it seems that you are implying that part of the reason you guys post "Firsts" is to garner the negative reaction you received.

I am sorry but thats wrong. HODOR can be an inspiration to the entire community. You can set the example. Some might argue you have the responsibility to do so. But if you stoop to the level of those throwing salt at you, then you are no better.

a World First is a show of ability, dedication, and accomplishment. At least that what it is to me. Maybe im wrong.

No what I'm to say is that we know whenever there comes a post from us we gonna get hated. I just can't take those guys serious so I play with them and have fun reading all that hate. Its just a byproduct of being something others wish they were and instead of loosing our heads over it we just embrace it.
I'm always happy when I say people being genuinely happy for us or tell us how we helped them get further. And since its obvious we can't have the good without the bad we just have fun with the bad.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

While I completely agree with you farming tears on the forums is fun. So people don't change, whenever we have an achievement to share bring us those tasty salty tears of yours.

Maybe im reading this wrong but it seems that you are implying that part of the reason you guys post "Firsts" is to garner the negative reaction you received.

I am sorry but thats wrong. HODOR can be an inspiration to the entire community. You can set the example. Some might argue you have the responsibility to do so. But if you stoop to the level of those throwing salt at you, then you are no better.

a World First is a show of ability, dedication, and accomplishment. At least that what it is to me. Maybe im wrong.

No what I'm to say is that we know whenever there comes a post from us we gonna get hated. I just can't take those guys serious so I play with them and have fun reading all that hate. Its just a byproduct of being something others wish they were and instead of loosing our heads over it we just embrace it.
I'm always happy when I say people being genuinely happy for us or tell us how we helped them get further. And since its obvious we can't have the good without the bad we just have fun with the bad.

Hm? I don't know if that's subtly gesturing me, but I can assure you that I'm very much so happy and proud of you all's most recent accomplishment. I've said that a couple of times now. I'm not impressed, and ecstatic about it. But, I'm most certainly pleased to see someone rise to the occasion and get the job done. In my opinion, you all should keep up the great work.

I have only 24hrs. in my day, and I refuse to spend even a minute of it hating on someone's accomplishments in a video game. Besides... How could I focus on bettering me; mastering my craft(s), when I'm busy stressing about what someone else did or is currently doing? I wouldn't be truly focusing then, now would I?

Fleshreaper · June 2017

WhiteMage wrote: »

Hodor has had 53 days to get the speed run in vHoF, since the day they first had PTS access. For console, their clock started 3 days ago. Console users have 50 days left to claim the rightful speed run "world first," in terms of opportunity to do so.

As for the vHoF clear, I don't recognize "firsts" on the first day, especially considering they already did that in the closed beta. If this was a contest, it's a hollow one.

To answer your question. Yes, if it is in fact a worlds first than it is a worlds first. As per the bata and early access part. That in no way gives them an unfair advantage as everyone had the same chance to get bata and early access. Your argument as to but console didn't get those things. Then get a PC if you want those things, that's a choice, you made. Those of us on PC should not have to suffer because the console makers want to get their money first. Life is not fair and if you want the same opportunities then you have to make changes to get to the same place. Stop expecting everyone else to bend over backwards to accommodate you.

Urkraft · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

After the most recent "world first" that was posted, I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of it all. I'm also not impressed. Why you ask? Because often times than not, the people who have gotten the content complete had their hands on it long before 2 other platforms did. Plus, they had early access via the PTR to work on it. Throw in the fact that the most recent installment had private beta access, and it kinda is like the folks who had obtained "world firsts" were cherry picked for it.

What are you all's opinions on it? I'm curious.

* PTS: even though ZOS made it look handpicked in the beginning, nearly everyone got on PTS in the end, even me, who hasnt ever been on PTS got an invite in the second invite wave. Also Hodor guys have been testing and training very hard and as i know they are some of those people giving a lot of feedback. So having this + like also most other top pc guilds had is well deserved and: there was no real advantage over other progress raid guilds, since they got that access that same time

* Early Access: Everyone could have it, even if that early access came for me unexpectetly, everyone then had the chance to use, since the preorder still was only 2 clicks away - so also here chances are similar. i bought morrowind that moment, that 22.05. (?) has been announced, or one day before... no advantage here too.

* Hodor has been raiding every evening for hours an PTS, true. but every other top pve guild had same chance to do so.

* not mentioning Consoles, right. It's a bit otherwise for them. It should be clear, if its about worlds first and so on, you wont ever be able to compare consoles and pc. never. they also dont benefit from a lot of addons.

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additionally:

I don't know any other guild known that much for sharing builds, testing gear, possible DPS, sharing also on the forums their conclusions and giving also that detailled feedback to ZOS, sharing tactics and information about raids. I dont know, from where this attitude comes from, that they wouldnt deserve it, that there is something like a special cherry picked attitude from ZOS about that. A lot of it is well deserved, a lot of work and the community also benefits from it, since for the casual player, also for people like me, it helps to get through content more comfortable, since not everyone is that dedicated into finding and testing out like ***, what is the best setup, the best skills and rotation to use, what is the best gear.

Xnemesis · June 2017

World first aren't really a big deal in teso. Typically people go in and get stuff cleared after a few days of trying. Not really any progression type content that would take months to do. PVE is more or less casual which takes the accomplishments of clearing content meh at best. I mean it's cool to get a world first I guess but more or less in teso that means you were just the first guild to try lol

Bombashaman · June 2017

Literally, they aren't world first because ZOS testers have completed those before them. But at least I don't care, let them have it, doesn't rock my boat anywhere.

andreasranasen · June 2017

"Worlds First"... LOL, you gonna put that on your resume or something?

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

After the most recent "world first" that was posted, I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of it all. I'm also not impressed. Why you ask? Because often times than not, the people who have gotten the content complete had their hands on it long before 2 other platforms did. Plus, they had early access via the PTR to work on it. Throw in the fact that the most recent installment had private beta access, and it kinda is like the folks who had obtained "world firsts" were cherry picked for it.

What are you all's opinions on it? I'm curious.

Nope.

It matters none, and is special in no way at all.

All the "World's First" post do; is stroke an e-peen for a small bit of time, then it fades away back into the meaningless nothingness from whence it came.

Really, "World's First" is unimpressive in any way you look at it.

timidobserver · June 2017

I share both opinions. It's an impressive achievement, but early access does take away from it a bit.

Prospero_ESO · June 2017

If some dudes want to fap to their achievements, well have fun. I don't give a rats arse about who is world's first or world's last nolifer. But kudos to all the guilds who beat HoF, for me that seem to be the real achievement.