Existing characters miss out on the skill point for the Morrowind tutorial

Zarrakon · May 2017

This was mentioned on the PTS, but got no response. Posting this here to get more attention...

If you create a character now, you start in the Vvardenfell tutorial, and get a skill point for completing it. After this, you can go into the Wailing Prison, complete that tutorial as well, and get the skill point from that.

If you have an existing character, they would've gotten a skill point from the Wailing Prison tutorial. They cannot access the Vvardenfell tutorial, and have no way of getting that skill point.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Aliyavana · May 2017

Yah sadly my thread didn't get a dev response

Dragonnord · May 2017

Mentioned in the PTS and not fixed? Then some people dare to say ZOS cares and hears our feedback. Yeah, sure...

frogprincess_q4 · May 2017

I'm quite disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any actual quest for existing characters to get to Morrowind. How difficult would it be to add a quest to catch a ship over? And then just make it be the same as the normal Morrowind start.

If the inventory of a high level character is a problem maybe that can be temporarily removed and returned with the chest of belongings awarded Seyda Neen. Or it could be stashed with the slavers. Or the first questgiver can just say that she found your stuff and you just have it.

max_only · May 2017

frogprincess_q4 wrote: »

I'm quite disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any actual quest for existing characters to get to Morrowind. How difficult would it be to add a quest to catch a ship over? And then just make it be the same as the normal Morrowind start.

If the inventory of a high level character is a problem maybe that can be temporarily removed and returned with the chest of belongings awarded Seyda Neen. Or it could be stashed with the slavers. Or the first questgiver can just say that she found your stuff and you just have it.

Have you done the new quest "Missing Prophecy?" And you get a letter inviting you to Morrowind in the mail that starts a quest.

I agree with you though, we should be able to crash our ship and play the new "start". Temporarily "disabling" us is something other quests already do so it IS a disappointment that they overlooked this opportunity.

Galwylin · May 2017

I really don't see why we don't have the ship wreck and slavers when traveling to Morrowind either. Its the best introduction, I think. You're sent to Morrowind from the letter, become a prisoner, and go through just like a new player. I don't even see why it wouldn't occur to them to do it this way. Its not even new tech. I really liked how we got to the Wailing Prison as a new character but old ones just hop over in a boat and that's sort of it?

Btw, the The Missing Prophecy give a point? Maybe that's where it is since new character's shouldn't be able to have that quest. And if they don't then it should to even both.

Linken · May 2017

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

Zarrakon · May 2017

Galwylin wrote: »

I really don't see why we don't have the ship wreck and slavers when traveling to Morrowind either. Its the best introduction, I think. You're sent to Morrowind from the letter, become a prisoner, and go through just like a new player. I don't even see why it wouldn't occur to them to do it this way. Its not even new tech. I really liked how we got to the Wailing Prison as a new character but old ones just hop over in a boat and that's sort of it?

Btw, the The Missing Prophecy give a point? Maybe that's where it is since new character's shouldn't be able to have that quest. And if they don't then it should to even both.

I can get the Missing Prophecy on my new warden. It's a really long quest, so I don't particularly want to double-check that it awards a skill point or whatever, but I don't think this is the skill point alternative for older characters.

sdtlc · May 2017

They don't. The statement in an ESO live was that you gain the skillpoint from either one or the other begining.

Galwylin · May 2017

Well, you definitely do gain a skill point as a new character in the Wailing Prison. If the new tutorial grants one and older characters can't access it then once again they don't know how their own game works.

lagrue · May 2017

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

Aliyavana · May 2017

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

But it's impossible to those who had the goal of getting every skill point in the game

lagrue · May 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

But it's impossible to those who had the goal of getting every skill point in the game

Okay yes - well I'll give you that I guess.... Just my opinion though - that's a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose.

Enodoc · May 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Mentioned in the PTS and not fixed? Then some people dare to say ZOS cares and hears our feedback. Yeah, sure...

They said on ESO Live that you wouldn't get a skill point from the Wailing Prison if you did the Morrowind tutorial. So they knew they needed to do something about it. Yet it hasn't actually been fixed, and you still get a skill point from both the Morrowind tutorial and The Wailing Prison.

sdtlc wrote: »

They don't. The statement in an ESO live was that you gain the skillpoint from either one or the other begining.

That's what they said, but skill points are still actually coming from both.

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

Whether it's "just one" skill point or not is irrelevant. Whether it's actually needed or not is irrelevant. The fact that new characters get one more skill point than existing characters is a technical gameplay consistency issue, and needs to be addressed.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Simplest solution would have been just adding another quest that takes characters who haven't done the Vvardenfell tutorial to firemoth island again and do some minor stuff for a skill point.

Or just... you know... give -everyone- who made their character before Morrowind a free skill point to play with, while the ones who do will have to earn that one by doing both tutorials or something like that...

There. Fixed.

BtW, I myself found it immersionally grating not to have done the wailing prison - for respawning reasons! Respawning makes sense ICly when you are a vestige... but not when you are, well, not. And since morrowind-tutorial characters are no vestige, just some shipwrecked guy or gal, well... I kinda wish all new characters would have gotten the wailing prison, and THEN the firemoth island tutorial as their escape from coldharbour dropped them right in slavers hands...
Oh, well.
...Ship, sailed, sunk, long ago.

VerboseQuips · May 2017

This is a big issue and should definitely be addressed.

Zarrakon · May 2017

lagrue wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

But it's impossible to those who had the goal of getting every skill point in the game

Okay yes - well I'll give you that I guess.... Just my opinion though - that's a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose.

The entire game is numbers and pictures on a screen. Anything you want to do in this game is 'a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose'.

This is objectively a problem. I'm not sure where all you people who just say 'it's not a big deal' are coming from - how would you feel if the next time they did something like this, the last 10 champion points in each tree were only available to characters created after May 22? Or even the last 1 champion point?

Cpt_Teemo · May 2017

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

Yeah I mean I barely even have all the skyshards probably 1/2 at most, yet I have every single point into all the craftings as well a full setup of combat skills and passives.

Tandor · May 2017

VerboseQuips wrote: »

This is a big issue and should definitely be addressed.

It's more important for some players than it is for others (although I've never understood why completionists think all their characters should be able to achieve everything regardless of when they were created and the content that was available at that time and since), and who can say whether it will be fixed with the launch. Let's not forget that we're in Early Access with patch maintenance coming up.

KingMagaw · May 2017

lagrue wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

But it's impossible to those who had the goal of getting every skill point in the game

Okay yes - well I'll give you that I guess.... Just my opinion though - that's a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose.

So is most of the achievements in ESO - Only thing left is box ticking since Z0$ is incapable of dealing with the cheating/exploiting.

Kill ~400 scamps in the sewers for both achievements? lol

Kill 200 players in arena in IC? lol

How about Emperor in Cyrodill?, have fun competing against the clubbers with there cross faction friends feeding them AP's.

As to the OP - I totally agree a starting quest travelling to Morrowind which includes the free skill point (If both available to get with the exception of a existing character)

lagrue · May 2017

Zarrakon wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Linken wrote: »

Sure its a boring bug/miss but is it just 1 skillpoint we are talking about?
Isnt there enough skillpoints out there for any build anyway?

lagrue wrote: »

Meh.... I had enough skillpoints to max all passives, my armour - all 6 craftng, Soul Magic, Faction SKills, Weapon skills.

Basically everything you need/would be able to use - and I still have 6+ skillpoints. Is the loss of 1 free easy 1 a bummer? Sure. But I'm just letting you know, you can max everything you'd need without it

But it's impossible to those who had the goal of getting every skill point in the game

Okay yes - well I'll give you that I guess.... Just my opinion though - that's a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose.

The entire game is numbers and pictures on a screen. Anything you want to do in this game is 'a real dumb goal and serves no real purpose'.

This is objectively a problem. I'm not sure where all you people who just say 'it's not a big deal' are coming from - how would you feel if the next time they did something like this, the last 10 champion points in each tree were only available to characters created after May 22? Or even the last 1 champion point?

That's not even close to the same thing. CP never runs out of use. Missing 1 skillpoint when there's already more than enough is arguably not important.

Anyway I never said I was against it, I even said in my first post it sucks. But the reality is that 1 skillpoint isn't a loss to your ability to develop your character. Unless you're an absolute mong who's going to try to max out 4 different weapon skill lines lol

Asardes · May 2017

80-100 skill points are more than enough for any build. Only if you want crafting and fill every useless skill do you need more.

max_only · June 2017

Any possibility the hand of Zos could grace this thread?

Cêltic421 · June 2017

How are existing characters missing a skill point?

max_only · June 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

How are existing characters missing a skill point?

Eh... to explain it again...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/348323/oversight-by-zos-existing-characters-will-be-locked-out-of-a-skillpoint/p1

Abeille · June 2017

Existing characters should be able to do the Morrowind tutorial.

Make the tutorial start when the existing character take a boat to Vvardenfell from any port in Tamriel. There, problem solved.

lavosslayer · June 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

How are existing characters missing a skill point?

Exactly! If your existing characters get the point from the prison in the old tutorial but don't get it from the new one then how are you missing a point? It should be the same vice versa.

max_only · June 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

@Blackshark But you also get another skill point when you complete the Wailing Prison. That means the original Wailing Prison gave 3 skill points, and the new Morrowind tutorial plus the Wailing Prison gives 4 skill points. That's one extra skill point for new characters.

Well. Crap. That is a big issue. Any word on if ZOS has identified a fix? @Enodoc

Well they said on ESO Live that it wasn't even supposed to be happening, so I don't know what they're doing about it. Now that it has existed on Live though, it'll be harder to address, because there will be some characters who will already have been affected and given that extra skill point.

On the new character, I got 3 skill points at the end of the Morrowind tutorial. I want to say all three came from leveling 1 -> 3 and the new Morrowind tutorial did not award a skill point like Wailing prison.

Wailing Prison I am still receiving the 1 skill point as a quest reward.

If this is accurate then old characters are fine as those 3 skill points from the Morrowind tutorial all came from leveling and not quest rewards. Is this different than what you've experienced? I'm not currently at home to run through the Morrowind tutorial again. Would take 10min to quickly confirm all skill points come from leveling and not quest rewards in the new tutorial...

This is what I experienced on PTS (and I assume what @Zilophos experienced on Live):

Character who plays the Morrowind Tutorial
1 Skill Point for Level 1 > 2.
1 Skill Point for Level 2 > 3.
1 Skill Point for Quest Completion "Broken Bonds".
1 Skill Point for Quest Completion "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour".

Total: 4

Character who skips the Morrowind Tutorial
2 Skill Points for immediate Level 3.
1 Skill Point for skipped tutorial.
1 Skill Point for Quest Completion "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour".

Total: 4

Existing, pre-Morrowind Character
1 Skill Point for Level 1 > 2.
1 Skill Point for Level 2 > 3.
1 Skill Point for Quest Completion "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour".

Total: 3

Existing, pre-Morrowind Character who skipped the tutorial
2 Skill Points for immediate Level 3.
1 Skill Point for skipped tutorial.

Total: 3

Bringer · June 2017

lavosslayer wrote: »

It should be the same vice versa.

It isnt

Enodoc · June 2017

lavosslayer wrote: »

Cêltic421 wrote: »

How are existing characters missing a skill point?

Exactly! If your existing characters get the point from the prison in the old tutorial but don't get it from the new one then how are you missing a point? It should be the same vice versa.

@lavosslayer @Cêltic421 In very simple terms, new characters get a Skill Point from both Broken Bonds and Soul Shriven in Coldharbour, while existing characters only get one from Soul Shriven in Coldharbour because they cannot complete Broken Bonds.

Asardes · June 2017

I leveled one of my new characters on the Firemoth island last week and I could swear I saw a CP600 there. But probably not able to talk to the NPCs to start the quest. If a fully leveled character can reach the island it's pretty easy to make a version of the quest that's startable by simply talking to Naryu at the cabin on the top of the hill.