The thing that makes a warden harder than a templar its his range...
ALMOST ALL templar healing abilities have a 28m range

where wardens do not have that range and their burst healing is reduced to a cone.. this is why its way harder to heal. Templars burst healing is 180 degrees..where wardens have only 90 degrees
Living vines...low range..but very potent to use....

Overall... Ive healed DLC dungeons and Dragonstar arena without any problems and far superior than my templar using the same gear.... but i need to be close to my allies.. a LOT closer than my templar... this is cumbersome on the poison stage and last stage (boss fight) of DSA...but on the other stages?? not much

I am having problems finishing single player arena due to sustain issues....need to revisit this and change my gear...

Dixa wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Eshja wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Draqone wrote: »

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

Warden + NB is better for vet HoF.

Wow, it's nice to read something like this, I usually only hear that nb are okay healers, but being recommended with wardens? I hope it's true and more people will think like that!

And, honestly, that's even weird to me, when so many people don't think templar is best and it's over. Looks like future of healers won't be just in dazzingly yellow colors .

Oh I assure you the future is still bleak unfortunately. The first 2 group that did vet HoF on live decided to not bother with running non Templar healers and everything below that is just going to follow suit.

That has as much to do with experienced Templar healers having geared and completed Templar healers than anything else two weeks into this expansion

Oh of course. The precedent that is set due to that is my point.

Eshja wrote: »

I guess it's time when not every warden is noob, I'm sure good healers now know how to heal really good with this class, so it's good moment to ask about them.

So how do you guys feel with warden healer in your party? Do you feel it's worse or better than other classes? How about your resource restoring? Any other advantages of warden which other classes don't have? Do you find their skills useful? How are they on pvp?
Also, what do you think about opinions that new trial meta will be templar and warden as healers? Possible?

If there are any wardens healers, feel free to tell us what you feel about healing with warden, if it's nice for you and how is your magicka during the fight?

Unfortunately, the only warden healer I met had 17 level so I couldn't feel it .

@Eshja

I just love my Warden healer, a like it bit better than my Templar's, both pure healers, same gears. I love the Warden's effets, and challenging role as no panic button as the BoL and you need better Situation Awarness since lots are cone heals/skills. My game style is mostly, think about my allies ressources and buffs, so i try to keep Growth up for stam/magika regen, prayer for DPS bost, Orbs often cast so most can synergize it, i tru to cast Elemental drain before each fights on every mobs or the most i can as the tank pulls for magika return, or keep it up on boss, i drop Elemental wall with my lightning staff in case people uses 75 pts in thaumaturge,.. as for magika on my side, i'm mostly all the time at 90%, that is with constant casting, if it goes down a bit, a few heavy attacks on resto staff fixes it, but i'm often doing heavy attacks to benefits the different advantage or resto staff's passive of healing boost and Warden's green balance passive advantage of heavy attacks, once in a while when there is ltos of mobs i heavy attack with lightning staff for AOE, with Ed on mobs etc.. i never ever lack magika. I keep my Netch on for regen, and Lotus flower up for crit % instead of using Inner light, and with that skill up, heavy attacking does heals peple around, i use Healing Vine on all people (in 4 mens that is) as a prevention of being in a panic moment, if so, i doble cast Seeds to heal big everyone in the circle.

So far people i group with never really got any issues, besides Stam, since i only have one skill to help stam regen.

But i love my Druid, and he's looking nice :P But i got to admit, it took me a while to get use to it, and still, but i'm getting better, it's abit different as you heal thiking of possible upcoming damage instead of fixing stuff when they come, so when you see a boss is about to do his thing, you get your stuff up.

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Just got warden healer on xbox and at level 17 have ran a. Few norm dungeons now and its way to easy. Can't wait til end game with my healer gear its gunna be so fun.

Normal dungeons are not on the same level as vet dungeons.

exeeter702 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Oh I assure you the future is still bleak unfortunately. The first 2 group that did vet HoF on live decided to not bother with running non Templar healers and everything below that is just going to follow suit.

For a valid reason.

No actually not really....

We'll see, guys! Two templars in party wasn't choose because they're looks awesome together, but cause it was best option, so if warden with templar are better now, we don't need to worry, meta will change. If not - too bad. I would be awesome to have other healers than templars.


Btw, my warden is now almost completed (beside I didn't think about best gear for him yet) and I was healing with it some time. I must say it's really a pleasure to use it! It has so many useful class skills, and it can keep Major and Minor Resolve and Ward so easily... It has really nice buffs. And I didn't have problems with magicka yet .
Have to test it on vtrials, when I'll collect some better gear!

Mitoice wrote: »

The thing that makes a warden harder than a templar its his range...
ALMOST ALL templar healing abilities have a 28m range

where wardens do not have that range and their burst healing is reduced to a cone.. this is why its way harder to heal. Templars burst healing is 180 degrees..where wardens have only 90 degrees
Living vines...low range..but very potent to use....

Overall... Ive healed DLC dungeons and Dragonstar arena without any problems and far superior than my templar using the same gear.... but i need to be close to my allies.. a LOT closer than my templar... this is cumbersome on the poison stage and last stage (boss fight) of DSA...but on the other stages?? not much

I am having problems finishing single player arena due to sustain issues....need to revisit this and change my gear...

Healing abilities on templar :
Rite of Passage 20m radius
Rushed Ceremony 28m radius
Healing Ritual 10 m radius
Repentance (heal morph) 12m radius
Cleansing Ritual 12m radius
I didn't add rune because there is no point since we are only talking about healing spell range.

Healing abilities on warden :
Secluded Grove Range 28m-Radius 8m
Fungal Growth 20 meters cone
Healing Seed Range 28m-Radius 8m
Living Vines 20x12 (combat prayer is 20x8 and the other morph 20x10 )
Lotus 12 meters
Natures Grasp 22m

I think the problem with the warden healing spells is visual. That is why I listed combat prayer, it is not as wide as vines but you can see where it starts and ends better than vines. The same goes for fungal growth.

Warden has more useful healing skills. Templars in dungeons or trials don't use Rite of Passage, healing ritual and repentance is even more circumstantial now.

Eshja wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't mind pugs, when I go to do some randoms, I usually use skills which I like and I feel totally okay with it when I have guys who do 10k group dps cause they just light attacking (my last random normal was like that and I'm sure tank had 5k dps xD)

But I agree, it was really hard to get rid of some skills (even wings, they are so awesome! but not useful for healer xD) and slot old springs, combat prayer etc... But, well, I can't slot cloak on my healblade too (yes, I tried long, long time ago), so I guess we can just need to get used to it.

The only thing the Warden is missing, is to be able to use the Savage Hunt crates transformation which only transform as a druid looking like the mount, for only a few seconds

Make it a shared warden and bosmer race skill and I will totally help you to overwhelm forum with posts about it .

Totaly agree, when pug dps is low, that's when i let my critters go out and get some flowers back in. But when dps seems enough, i put back my healing/support build, i just love my warden, i should start myself a flower business.

So far, here's the main skill i use, enough to heal, return ressources, buff DPS and sustain on my side. In some cases, vines or prayer are the one i swap, when there is so much moving around, rapid regen does help. I think the pledge i jsut did, my Combat Metrix addon sckrewed up, ended up on last boss showing 101k HPS, doesn't make sens.

http://teso.mmorpg-life.com/eso-skill-calculator/warden/?calc=100772.100812.102347.102351.102359.::102356.x100672.100712.101665.102341.102364.::101300.xf=0.0.0w12-10

Tryxus wrote: »

I took my Warden healer out to Cyrodiil for the first time yesterday, and I was having a lot of fun with it.

Wardens have really great support options and strong heals. You have a mobile Major Protection AoE Ultimate that is really useful when charging into battle with your group, a strong heal that increases Magic&Stam recovery + Minor Toughness, Frozen Gate to pull 1 enemy into your group, Frost Cloak, a very powerful and low cost Healing ultimate, etc, ...

Resource-wise, I never ran out of Magicka thx to the Netch and my Maelstrom Resto Staff. And I also have plenty of Ultimate at all times due to the Netch (4 Ulti per cast every 4 secs), Shimmering Shield for Major Heroism and the 20 Ulti return from the Enchanted Forest ulti when healing someone below 50%

I think Wardens make great support/healers for Cyro. Haven't tried out PvE yet (outside of pledges) since I don't have the required sets yet.

This makes me happy. I am in the process of building a Tanky healer for Cyro. Thanks for the write up!

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.

I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.

I keep hearing "Templar's are much better". Why do you think that?

Because we have the #2 hof score and I quite like warden healers

I think "much better" is wrong. I think templars are probably better, but that gap is very, very small. That being said Warden's work incredibly well with templars, i don't think i'd ever want to replace all healers with wardens, but i'd want at least one (honestly maybe only one).

I don't.
Get that clunky ass somewhere else. ZOS has a lot of work to do, if they want wardens to be viable healers.

As a healer, i'd rather have a warden honestly. I think the focus on heal over time is a better tool kit. Such as the capacity to set up a pre-heal for a bosses burst damage.

Resource managment and damage buffs arn't heals, they are support. And yes the templar is better suited as an all around support.

For a trial with two heals, i'd say one of each is the best option. In dungeons and everything else, it depends on how optimal the group is and what the goal of the group is.

No diference when it comes to healing in 4-man-vet-stuff, some handy synergies even.

...but as all Wardens are pretty new chars almost noone has bubbles :-(

Eshja wrote: »

How do you like having warden healer in party?

For me it's something like: "oh hell, no, wtf? All templars are died or what?"
But this happens with every non-templar class, really
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